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He literally was trying to make it so he didn't have the resources to leave him. I liked the story but it was not as lovey dovey as the uploader is saying, you're right.

Girl yes. I still enjoyed it but let's not act like apples are oranges lol.

Haha. Honestly I have never stated that the seme is good haha. I mostly praised the uke because I loved his development and I loved the flow of the story. And I think the same that the seme was way too possessive for me, I just didn't stated it in the memes at the end that is all.

I wasn't even thinking about you when I wrote my comment but instead the people commenting saying how much the uke didn't deserve the seme. Thank you for uploading it!

Yes this. I saw someone post about how disappointed they were that their boyfriend couldn’t keep going 3-4 times in a row...

Being pumped out by your own boss is normal. And where tell me Wombo acted as a victim? Because he cried lmfao?

You hate more on victim of sexual abuse who you are alright was abuser too? Than the guy who got everything by nepotism and sexually abused wonho?

wonho stans are obsessed with him. （￣へ￣）

Agree, op

Wonho didn't get pimped out. If he had kept doing what he was doing, he likely would have seen success but it was taking too long for him and he was jealous of his bf for succeeding before him. Honestly, I don't think people understand what sexual abuse really is because if you did you would not say Wonho was sexually abused.

Did Eunwoo fuck with him mentally? Yes. I would agree to a statement like that. Was Eunwoo controlling? Yes. But did Wonho have the option to back away? Also, yes. Each time he said he was done but changed his mind. Why? Because he didn't want to give up anything. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too and basically complained that it didn't work out that way.

Riddle me this Wonho supporters, why didn't Wonho stop accepting sponsors after he became a success and a noteworthy actor, which happen after his very first sponsor? Also, at which point Minki forgave his ass without questioning how it happen despite knowing something.

Talk to me about sexual abuse after reading Color Recipe. Cause let me tell you. This shit ain't it. In fact, Wonho was more of an abuser to Minki than Eunwoo was to him.

You have a real warped sense of reality don’t you?

So it's ok for a boss to propose his employee to sell his ass for roles he will never get because he doesn't have connections? That's not sexual harassment and pimping out his employees? And it wasn't only Wonho. Many other actors.
How could he resign? How? When literally everyone could have blackmailed him, at that point he was a puppet. And still no one guaranteed that he would get any roles if he didn't continue sponsoring.
Eunwoo wasn't abusive? Reread the story. Wonho said many times he wants to stop because something is painful, hurts or that he doesn't want to sleep with Eunwoo today but Eunwoo continued or blackmailed him with breaking the deal. It's not sexual abuse?

I think you need to reread the story. Did I say it was okay for the boss to ask Wonho to get a sponsor? No. Did his boss say do it or get fired? No. If I remember correctly, he turned it down initially but changed his mind because he wanted the quick route to success and he was tired of waiting. Also making assumptions about people possibly blackmailing him doesn't make sense. He stopped seeing sponsors before yet had no problem so why couldn't he stop seeing Eunwoo. Yes, Eunwoo said he wouldn't support him afterward but isn't that the same as paying for a service than not wanting to pay after you stopped recieving the service.

And okay, yes Eunwoo didn't care when Wonho said it hurt when they were having sex. That's fucked up. But when it comes to characterization, Eunwoo was a fucked up character, he stay true to that, didn't blame no one for making him that way. He was completely honest to everyone about who he was which is why I said I liked him as a character. As a person, no. It's not a crime to appreciate an antagonist. Wonho was an antagonist in this story as well, but it seems like a lot of people didn't get that. Instead of being a strong antagonist, he was a weak one that distracted people from his own crimes, like abusing Minki for one if we want to compare. Wonho did so much shit, but everyone is like, "it's okay because he has to fuck a sponsor that he chose to fuck".

Like maybe if he wasn't such a shitty person I may have felt sorry for him, but at the end of the day he was a shitty person, who did a lot of fucked up shit, complained when things didn't go his way, and blamed everyone for his issues. Now did I kind of feel for him when everyone abandoned him in the end, yeah, a little. This wouldn't have blown up in his face if he never started this shit to begin with.

Though him ending up with Eunwoo in the end was unnecessary. Not everyone needs a "happy ending" for a good story. As you pointed out, the relationship between these two characters was extremely toxic but without any positive experiences that Wonho had with Minki, another toxic relationship, so it didn't make sense for them to be together at the end.

Now that might be very true. As I have explored more of this genre, I realized I am more accepting of shit in the 2D world because you kind of have to harden your heart to read 80% of the stories in yaoi. That being said, I hate abusive relationships and the fact that yaoi practically normalizes the shit but I still can't see Wonho as a victim of Eunwoo. Wonho was basically a horrible character and Eunwoo was his demon in a sense that was to help Wonho see how much a shitty person he was, which still didn't work since Wonho was in denial and it took him losing everything to realize his wrongs. Sucks to suck.

You have to reread the story.
Chapter 46 for example. Hi literally blackmailed him.
Also so what if you paid prostitute for example you have the right to treat them as slave?
When exactly Wonho acted as a victim? He blamed himself for everything. Maybe in anger Eunwoo a little bit. But that's all.
Lmfao you sound as if he didn't try and was some talentless asshole who wanted to deceive the system. Minki's words that he went to countless auditions and worked like crazy but didn't get any role although it is said he is extraordinary good actor, better than Minki. But he didn't have any money or connections. It's so easy to judge someone when you didn't face similar obstacles. It's sick that people don't blame the fucked up industry who parasite on desperate people; what's worse Wonho who was very talented actor and deserved success, but on their victims.
And NO ONE said that what he did to Minki is ok or justified. Only that often abuser can be also a victim. Or had been in the past.

Yes, an abuser has often been abused in the past, but in supporting him, you're essentially denouncing his victim and his role as an abuser. Abuse can and should never be justified, and while you're saying you're not doing that, you are by supporting him. If anything, he was abusing Minki before his relationship started with Eunwoo, which had only been going on for a year while Wonho was controlling Minki from far before that based on the alluding in the story. So, that is poor justification.

I don't think he was talentless. I think Wonho had a lot of talent and even more so than Minki likely, which is why he was frustrated he wasn't having success. But as you also read, Eunwoo was already supporting him in the background before Wonhoo decided to get a sponsor, which is why I said he likely would have been successfully if he waited a little longer. I probably believe in his ability more than you,and even Wonho, for the simple fact that I think he would have done just fine as an actor, especially after his first sponsor. But again, instead of continuing to work hard after the fact, he apparently found the sponsorship road easier.

And honestly, you can't complain that I'm judging a character when you're doing the same exact thing. Just because I'm pointing out his flaws while you're ignoring them doesn't make it different.

Just as you suggested, I reread chap 46 and I will once again reiterate that if you pay for something and suddenly can't get anymore, you don't have to pay for it. Wonho himself said he didn't think the movie was that great when talking with the director so why not walk away from it. Eunwoo didn't say he would blackball him from the industry. Just that he wouldn't support that specific movie anymore. Wonho being upset about Minki finding out was also his own fault because if he never did anything, there would be nothing to find out. Still don't feel bad for him. In fact, that scene is one where he's playing the victim, so thank you for not forcing me to go find more scenes for you. Actually, I feel like all of his scene except for the one after the article was released he basically made it seem like it wasn't his fault for anything happening. Like I said, it took him losing it all for him to admit his wrongs.

Also, I think it poor taste to call Wonho a slave and disrespectful to people who were actually slaves. Slaves literally have no choices in their lives. Wonho had plenty, he just made a lot of bad ones.

I said treat like slave not that he was exactly a slave. Stop nitpicking, it's in a poor taste.

How am I supporting him? And noticing someone was abused himself doesn't equal justifying his bad actions. What logic is this even?

It's only your assumptions. Eunwoo was supporting him and he still didn't get roles or minor ones. You can believe whatever you want and me too. There was no guarantee he would success. The fact that he went to countless auditions and didn't get anything, the fact that his boss proposed such solution was the best prognostic.

And the fact that you STILL don't see problem with the industry that takes advantage of desperate people is worrying.

Firstly Eunwoo broke the deal first by inhering in Womho's life but of course valuation of rules only matter on Wonho's part.
Also as I said during sex, when Wonho wanted to stop or something was painful, Euwnoo continued or reminded him of their deal. Isn't it sexual abuse?
So if you paid prostitute, you are middle in the sex, you can literally do anything to them because you've paid? So they stop being humans?

Why are you mixing these two abuses? I separated them. And here you are saying that I justify Minki's abuse because I try portray Wonho as a victim himself. These two are separate matters.

Interfering*

Compliance of the rules*

Don’t bother yourself. They’ve rationalized this because of how the author themself has poorly shown and romanticized the events of this story through their ending. It’s insulting to actual people who experience abuse and exploitation fully utilizing their experience for profit as the author has in full detail and then reducing it to the argument it was all necessary in order for “love” to succeed. I mean all the depictions of Wonho and Eunwoo’s own toxic relationship is undermined when there are only consequences for Wonho’s apparent missteps but Eunwoo’s own are rewarded and even celebrated by its audience. The author has also done an awful job of actually portraying the reality of being an abuser and being a victim simultaneously are realities for people. They used everything they could from the experience and then fumbled it greatly. Honestly the more I think of the plot and madder I get being someone who actually works in the film industry at least in the USA and knowing personally people such as my own family members who have experienced the plights suffered by Wonho and others in his place.

Also I'm stopping here. I said what I think is right. Life isn't idealistic utopia. Someone can be abuser and face abuse themselves. For me it's clear that Wonho was sexually exploited and industry took advantage of him. It's immoral and low.
Also there is expression in my mother tongue "treat someone as a slave"... Maybe my national language is in poor taste? I agree maybe it wasn't the best expression. For that I'm sorry.
But I'm done with this discussion.
Goodbye

Thank you so much. I agree with everything you said.
You are right it's a waste of time to fight with someone who already made their mind and act as if their point of view was unerring.
Also disappointed in the turn this story took. Wasted potential in my opinion.

The industry has a lot of issues all over the world. I never negated that fact. But at the end of the day, people make their own choices, bad or good. Now say Wonho's CEO said do this or get fired. Yes, that would be consider coercion. Eunwoo and Wonho's relationship is consider quid pro quo, which means doing something in return of a favor. While this can fall under the terms of rape if one person has considerably more power than another, I don't necessarily see it as rape until it is made clear the retribution will be taken if the offer is rejected, which didn't happen in this case.

Should someone be able to do anything to a person during sex if they don't want it? No. I never said that. But like I stated, Wonho should have simply exited the relationship once he had issues with it. He never had a male sponsor before, so why accept one now. Or, better yet, he continued the sponsorships with other people but broke up with Minki. If the situation was different I would also say for him for file a report against Eunwoo, but that probably wouldn't have worked given the situation. Either way, Wonho didn't want to give up anything while recieving everything.

Once again, I agree that Eunwoo was a very, very fucked up man. He definitely did not do anything right or nice, except for supporting him secretly in the beginning, but neither did Wonho. Wonho made the choice to put up with Eunwoo's fucked up personality (bad choice but a choice nonetheless). He chose to sleep with a fucked up dude, he chose to get sponsors, he chose to have fame and fortune the easy way. Sorry, but still no pity.

I would probably compare this situation to drug use. I don't support it but if you chose to use drugs, I'm not going to feel bad for you for suffering the consequences.

The ending of this story in Eunwoo and Wonho's case was insulting and unnecessary, I agree to that. It's not surprising Eunwoo didn't suffer any consequences given his place in society. As we have seen on the news many abusers have gotten but a slap on the wrist if anyone ever acknowledge what they did. While I don't think Eunwoo was right in his actions, that definitely doesn't make me feel bad for Wonho. I don't think either of them deserve happiness.

And while it's ashame that the industry takes advantage of desperate people who want to make a name of themselves, most of these people are adults and they have the choice to walk away. If Wonho was a minor I would have very different opinions.

Life ain't simple but it is not as complicated as y'all make it seem.

And I'm done.

I'm glad you're down with this conversation because I'm not even going to touch this very poorly understood argument. comparing this to drug use, oh honey. please experience the world around you, no one does anything for free and out of selflessness, we don't live in that world.

Thank you for being condescending despite the fact that I was respectful this whole time. It just shows your poor argument skills. And as you said, no one does anything for free in this world, so wake up and realize nothing can be gotten without earning it but the way you choose to do that is a personal choice. Stay mad.

Seriously it will be the last post. But sorry it was rather ignorant what you wrote. You completely dismissed mentall problems, like depression and other disorders. You dismissed circumstances, upbringing, environment, physical illnesses, material status.
Your approach is rather saddening. And unempathetic.
Life is bigger than good and bad. "Choices" are also shaped and impacted or even forced by many factor.
And by your logic coercion would also in the end be a choice. If the boss would blackmail their employee they can always search for a different job or sue him. But we know it doesn't work like that.
And you said on the next page that Wonho didn't have looks (although I think he had but it's just my subjective opinion). And it's important factor in SK... So how can you be soo sure he would be successful. Because it really doesn't make bigger sense.
We have different opinion and it doesn't look like anyone will change their. So that's it.
Goodnight

"And you said on the next page that Wonho didn't have looks (although I think he had but it's just my subjective opinion). And it's important factor in SK... So how can you be soo sure he would be successful. Because it really doesn't make bigger sense." Sorry I mistook you for a different user. My mistake