I don't understand why people hate so much Jowoon because in the last few raws : he let go H by not doing anything to string to him :
-"let's meet when you feel comfortable"
He know that he doesn't mean anything to H
because H tell him few times :
-Let not meet now you are fine without me and let's take a break because I don't feel comfortable with you.
H don't love him anymore and it's more like a pity and inferiority complex toward J
It's not like this between T and H :
- they are talking to each other about their feeling, professionnaly they help each other. The feeling is not clear between but it's was pretty obvious to me when they are having sex ( hearts beats like hell in particulary H). H defend like hell T against J.
I feel like the ends it's like everyone hoping that now J feel miserable now, H is going to end with him ( no, no).
The author love to play with us :
- H is going to save J by telling the truth (I don't know how ?).
- The wedding is happening
- Taku is going to ask him to leave Korea to go with to Japan and going to offer a ring in the exhibition. And everyone is going to assist like J. He is going to accept.
You can tell this ending is T by draws is more sophisticated. Taku was interestingin the first by how forcefuly he enter in H life but now he was just a guy who is in love. H, I don't care about him because he is annoying by his indeciviness. He has the less developpment in his character. I really don't care who's going to end with who, I love J character the most. I couldn't hate him even if he did some dumb thing in the past. He was not the bad guy in the first, he is less selfish than two others, he sacrefice his career to H and his liberty by not ending his contract ( I think he have a hope to have a story with H after his contract is end ), now he know that's H didn't care about him, he continue the contract. He look like a guy who is not going to have a relationship. He desserve to be happy by himself. Please author subae-nim don't put this character more miserable, forget him and write a happy ending for H and Taku, go to Japan and live a good life.
I highly doubt the wedding is going to happen? Joowon’s dad and haesoo’s mom won’t even be happy together they just want to get married to keep their kids getting together and I think haesoo’s mom realised that, that is wrong to do
They are more selfish than you think, even they didn't married. I still think the author want HxT
H don’t love him anymore ?
That’s the problem heasoo love him too much. if he didn't love him he would have reacted like this when he heard about the scandal.
Heasoo and joowon have been loving each other for 10 years, don't think he will forget it after 1 month of relationship.
when he kissed taku (chapter 80) when T hug him and say the word « couple »(chapter77), when they have s3x he though of joowon.
The story is full of problems, nobody can claim to know the end.
We know that heasoo only likes joowon but he likes what taku can give him in a stable relationship, he repeats several times that with taku he could know what it's like to have a "real" boyfriend.
The weeding is not going to happen or it would be really weird, H's mother clearly does not like J's father
Do you really see H accepting the ring? after being so destabilized by joowon. haesoo understood what he means to J, in the last chapters his reaction in the elevator shows us his state of mind for him , he finally understood that he was wrong too
like i said love or hate is really a complicated story but i can't see heasoo at the end of the story accepting the ring and going back to japan with taku like it's nothing has arrived
H love more himself than J ( not like J " saying in the latest chapter : he didn't know how to be selfish). Are u sure they love each other for 10 years maybe J but not H. Even if he though about him sometime because he used to love him. Why he telling "is make me sad that my boyfriend tell me my kiss is feel bitter " toward T. What he feel in the elevator is a guilty, about wanting J to fail, while he want him to be successful. With T, he is so kind, is laughing, so listening and defending against J ( while he is calling H he was off like he feel nothing ) while with J was always fighting. After the restaurant incident he run to T and mention that fact he would like to have relationship. At the interview with T , he tell in his head that if T didn't lie, H could trust him. When H and J having sex he was thinking about T, and after he look up the ceiling like try to concentrate to what happening. If T didn't lie to him, they could be in relationship. Because T lied that's why he stopped all, but he imagined to have a relationship with T. But the title is directed the relationship between J and H, what's their relationship is it : Hate or Love. More hate than love with lot of resentments.
Taku and haesoo are in a relationship tho? And tbh I disagree overall, I think haesoo still loves joowon,
Well that your opinion but i totally disagree, it doesn't make sense to me
I am open mind : it's what's I feel through the webtoon, I was rooting for JxH. Tell me why you feel like H love J.
it's true that the moment when heasoo thinks about taku when he was with J is quite "weird"
You just have to look at the reaction and expression of heasoo when he thinks of J. it clearly tortures him. chapter 65
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/ibx_chapter-65/pg-8/
when J calls him chapter 68 he is ultra destabilized, he almost cry
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/ibx_chapter-68/pg-4/
there is no real explanation and point of view. it's obvious H loves J.
heasoo tells him himself that he loves him. chapter 57 "i never even told him that i loved him"
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/ibx_chapter-57/pg-43/
Heasoo would dream of loving taku, like I said he knows that with him he would have a stable relationship, for him and for his family.
that's why he's trying with taku, he's trying to force his feelings because he thinks T is a good person.
I don't find heasoo particularly « happy » with T, especially compared to chapters 1-5 and 47
it's normal for H to push J away, there are a lot of reasons, that's probably what makes you think H doesn't like him
since the day Joowon said to heasoo "don't fall for me", it has really «blocked »him ,
His relationship with her mom too.
Their relationship as a brother.
It is for all his reasons that he never wanted to express his love.
yes H felt guilty in the elevator, he finally understood that he was also responsible, from the start he thought he was the only to suffer, that's why he wanted to see Joowon suffer in his turn.
( sorry for my bad English)
You convince me a lot now, is just sometime we don't know what he is thinking and want. You know when he first meet T and have bed time, he feel at ease with him
. Many time he tell to J, he didn't want see him for while .it's make me confuse
this is why I love LOH twitter on there people give their interpretations on facial expressions and things the characters say which helps me to understand better and form an opinion, if I wasn’t on LOH twitter i would probably be misunderstanding a lot of things
To answer what's happened in the elevator :
In his head remain " not because you". At his adolescent he was jealous of J (because he was quite good in acting and have agencie, while H doesn't know what he want)
What he saying in his head after meeting J :
-To be honest, I just wanted you to be a little far behind me
- it's very, very nice
-I even wanted you to fail
-But I just wanted to be a little bit of a missing foot while running
-I wish I hadn't / you shouldn't have said that
-I am not that great either You're not the only one who was childish
I like how you analyse things can you telling what's happening in H mind ?
It wasn't really surprised me, from the start we see that heasoo sleeps with several people and then throws them away, it's true it doesn't happen with taku, for J
he was trying to push him away from denying his feelings
Thank you ! :) I think from the start, heasoo has been selfish inconsistently. putting himself as a victim,
he always wanted to know how joowon felt, without really asking him (it's complicated to explain).
He thought that joowon was rather someone who didn't give a damn about everything, it's clearly how we sees him as a reader at the beginning of the story, when he hurts his hand, when he disappears, it seems that it does not affect J at all
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/love_or_hate_yeongha-chapter-8/3/
heasoo realized in the elevator that Joowon wasn't that insensitive. That he also suffers from everything. He always encouraged him, he pushed him to become a writer. He's always been there for him and Heasoo had never realized it and now he really did ( I’m sorry I speak to much)
Don't feel sorry I like your explanation. It's me who is sorry to ask so many questions. What are you thinking the relationship with Taku ? Why in chapter 68, he said sorry many time ? I don't know if you translate the chapater 86 : I try but still don't understand the conversation between the father and mother ?
No problem ! I really love talk about LOH
I'm not the best at talking about him.because i don't really like him
I don't see heasoo ready to be in a relationship if not with joowon, taku first had an obsession with H and afterwards he "seems" to be in love with him, but for me he behaved badly by taking advantage of his weakness.
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/ibx_chapter-70/pg-11/
I don't like their relationship, taku seems intrusive in heasoo's life, he needs to find himself before being with someone but taku didn't give him the time to that.
when heasoo repeats sorry several times he is just desperate about the situation with J, and about their relationship.
for the discussion between the parents, i saw not very precise translations, but i think that the father of joowon, is angry about H, for letting his son endure everything, while the scandal has to do with heasoo too or something like that sorry I'm really not sure
Thank u you are sweety to explain me like this.
If you want I translate the conversation between the father and mother :
M : I saw the article. What happen to the Joowon ? Did you call him ?
F: Sigh.Not yet.I did it for the company. It's cause I work in high school.In the fact, it was not a disciplinary action because it was a fight. it's overreporting. I'd prefer a lawsuit, but the other side said they're better than that
M :What if I asked you to do something nice ?
F : I don't think it's gonna be bad for Haesso, either
M : What are you talking ? You have to tell me now .
F: Are you honest ?
M : Yeah.To be honest
F : Let's put Haesoo first.Younger brother who has been helped by his brother loyality and sacrefice without blood connection.It's was well rewarded, but in the end it must be that
M : You are insane ?!!!
F : I know it's uncomfortable to hear, and that's the fate of our family. let's send out a story that brought up two young men together
M :there's nothing else to hear. I'll go
F :Don't think too much of it. there'll be more good results. it's not a bad thing .Your restaurant will become more famous, Haesso...
M : No, my son is not allowed, if that the reason, no
F:I've told you before if you're worried about a controversy, if you go out
M : stop it, pretend you're a good person. Let's just stop thinking about us. You know what ? you so selfish Don't put your son in an awkward position. Your son may think twice.
What you thinking about them ?
Thanks you too !
we can clearly see in this scene that they will surely never agree, and it shows us once again that they don't like each other
all that matters to heasoo's mother is her son, nothing more.
I don't really understand this passage
it also wants to show us that the father is not as nice as we think ( maybe)
I'm really not sure with what I'm saying here,
I'm waiting for the French translation, but overall , we see that he will not have a marriage between them, which leaves a chance for joowon and heasoo to be together even if it is more complicated than that now
You speak french me too
it's my native language :)
I accidentally liked ffs
Spoiler chapter 86 :
...
Jowoon say sorry for making H to come from work. He ask him to forget what he heard today about the idea of mentionning H is part of his family in the media.The other side Haesoo try to comfort him by telling he can't deal it, if he was at his place. H ask him to deal the media together, because he think the fight was his fault.But J tell him not to feel sorry about this, because the fight was not his fault, the reason was the game between them and he was childish at this moment. He say that he would take responsibility about this and don't want avoid any problem ( "if you have something to lose is better" still don't understand what he meaning by that), but say" it's going to be hard". H stop it by telling while he sitting other side of his face, he remember about the past in the amusement park. They were laughing because of some fun fact there.
Between Mother and Father, I still don't understand fully.
H's mom ask if the father read about the article and ask what's happened. He told that it was only a fight is not gone futher (like disciplinary action or lawsuit because the party don't want ). He ask not worried about the article toward H ( there isn't anything bad about him ), and tell him to use this article to advance H career ("Even if his brother used help him, "its good reward but that's the end of the story ", " that's fate of our family"=) I don'tunderstand what he telling by this if someone can explain ). Tell to H moms let's ride what's happen in past between their sons, the article is a good thing for her restaurent(becoming more famous).The mother aren't agree about the article to putting J in ankward situation.
Between J and H
H ask he want take a break with him and let him comfortable with the situation. J want acompany him but can't because of the scandal. H say it's okay because he is going to call a taxi. J say when H calling the lift " I was glad to see you though. Next time, try to be really comfortable. Congratulations on the exhibition " at the last moment when H want to say something the lift arrived.
Can someone translate what's happen in the chap86:
- what's Jowoon thought when he saw H laughing.
I think he was thinking "us in a relationship"
Something like: if only our relationship could be like that...
Thank u
Can you explain what's he was talking after he saying sorry ?
Basically everything Joowon is saying is a lie. He still didn't tell haesoo how he feels. They were talking about their childhood and how it was fun and he wanted their relationship to be like that too
For what he is sorry ? Why are you telling it's lie ? Because to me he was sincere
Everything he said to Haesoo was said because it had to be said. It's not something he wants. He loves Haesoo but he had to set him free. Proud of Jowoon here. Haesoo seemed surprised at the end because he didn't expect that from Joowon.
I want to know what he say ? If you don't know it's okay.
Can someone translate the last raw of this manga.
I want to know :
-what's it's writing in the article : with in the square and make Jowoon suprise.
-what are they saying between manager and Jowoon.
I am big fan of Jowoon but stop hating my little handsomeTaku who has heart break that's why he say such heartful words. I am fed up of this comment section. I was quite happy when Taku found a new person. I hope we have some side story of him. Please I want some HxJ moment more
heartbreak doesn't justify shit but nice try ! he was a dickhead before he fell in love anyway
Good luck to Taku's new person, they are going to need it. We understand where Taku is coming from, but why should we approve of what he did if it's wrong? I had this same mentality with Joowon. I understood why he wanted to keep things vague and not confront his past, but that doesn't make him right, because as a result Joowon became selfish, possessive, and hurtful person. That's why he needed a change, which happened because Joowon didn't want to be the same anymore and then and only then, did I praise him. I understand why Taku reacted the way he did (a bit unjustifiably) but that's not make him right. I will not feel empathy for someone who is not even trying to change.
You was pretty hard toward him, I think he have normal and human reaction to me. Don't mistake I hate him at the first because of Jowoon but I think people judge him very fast. Everybody have dark side.
But I waited this moment for so long time I was so happy for JxH team forever. T fought very well for H but first love is something
Don't say something like that when you don't know anything. I was defending like hell Jowoon towards Taku fan. When I was so stressful when I think H can finish with Taku. Now I feel so happy to know there are together. It's not because I say I can understand Taku feeling why he say hurtful things because he have heartbreaking that mean I stan him, I just was considerate. Because many people is just so mean with him
People just don't know anything about me. Did you saw all my comments to say something like this. I am happy like hell today because I know J and together H. I feel some pity for Taku because many people are so mean special today. Everybody is different and not perfect, for sure he need to change but he will. I am just happy that everyone has an happy ending ( he have a new lover )
Yeah I find Taku handsome what the hell that means, even if I find Jowoon more handsome ( he just flawless). People in this comment are little bit crazy calme down is just a fiction.
... I never said anything about you? Idk about other people but I did not get personal with my reply. Sorry if it came that way. It's okay if you feel empathy with Taku, some people just didn't and just like you, we have good reasons. I'm glad that they are okay as well but, it wasn't explained in the most satisfactory way. At least for me.