I’ve seen that some people have been defending the ML after reading spoilers but I personally don’t understand. It always seems to be the case with those second chance type stories where actually the ML totally had a reason for mistreating the FL, be it because of manipulation or brainwashing or threats or whatever. I get that they have a reason but even so, it doesn’t excuse treating the FL badly. Especially because the FL doesn’t know their intentions and their reasons. In this particular case, so people have been saying that the ML gave the child to the mistress to take care of because he knew the FL was unstable and didn’t want to put more pressure on her but that’s such a stupid decision. I mean, if he really loved her and cared about her mental health as some people have been claiming, shouldn’t he have considered the emotional impact it would have on the FL to be told in front of all the servants and his mistress that she’s not fit to care for her son and that his mistress should take care of him instead. That is an absurd thing to do if he doesn’t communicate anything to her. I also really hate the fact that those stories always seem to inadvertently put the onus on the FL to change and not be so weak or naive to deserve to live a happy life.
Uhm actually its not like that. The ML was kind of threatened (?) by the mc's father. When the mc was preggy he went to war at that time he really wanna go back but mc's father told him that if he go back,the father would kill both mc and el. And when el was born ,mc father threatened the duke he would kill el if he would not give it to the mistress he put there. That's what I read with the spoiler shared here. Or basically like that.
Uhm actually its not like that. The ML was kind of threatened (?) by the mc's father. When the mc was preggy he went to war at that time he really wanna go back but mc's father told him that if he go back,the f... shie.nigami
But the thing is the Duke had the power to say ~No ~ but he didn't he had the power to protect them also he didn't have to give their child to the side hoe but he did it anyway He also let everyone mistreat his wife until the day she died he never showed her any kindness He could have done so many things right but his dumbass choose not to Like he could have told her what was fucking going on
Uhm actually its not like that. The ML was kind of threatened (?) by the mc's father. When the mc was preggy he went to war at that time he really wanna go back but mc's father told him that if he go back,the f... shie.nigami
Yes but I personally think that even though he may have had reasons for acting so cold to her, and even though he didn’t mean to hurt her, he still made her suffer and I just don’t think that’s the way you should treat someone you love even though he has reasons, especially so because the FL doesn’t know his intentions and why he’s acting the way he is. For instance, let’s say someone stabbed me because someone told them that if they didn’t stab me, they would make my life miserable, for me personally, I wouldn’t know about the reason behind the stabbing and the only thing left is that they stabbed me.
Yes but I personally think that even though he may have had reasons for acting so cold to her, and even though he didn’t mean to hurt her, he still made her suffer and I just don’t think that’s the way yo... Passer-by
I agree with you. He’s a duke which means he has higher position and power than the mc father. And doesnt he have a right hand man or even to devise a plan to trick the mc father or secure the mc and el? Its like he’s pathetically weak. He shouldve done better. But atleast theres a character development of the og ml and ml reincarnate. Hes trying to make amends and protect them
I agree with you. He’s a duke which means he has higher position and power than the mc father. And doesnt he have a right hand man or even to devise a plan to trick the mc father or secure the mc and el? Its ... justareader
Yeah I also agree that he seems to want to own up to his mistakes and do better but I always feel a little bit iffy in those second chance stories where the FL has to change first for the ML not to treat her like sh*t which is a bit disconcerting. I’m not exactly sure about this one because some are saying that the ML has also reincarnated but nothing’s been confirmed yet so I still have some reservations
Yeah I also agree that he seems to want to own up to his mistakes and do better but I always feel a little bit iffy in those second chance stories where the FL has to change first for the ML not to treat her li... Passer-by
yeahhh I know exactly what you meant. Like he never love you in the first place and now he love cause youre strong and you dont need him. You should read “light and shadow” and “the reason why raeliana ended up at the duke mansion ” bcs its nothing like that in this webtoon. Its here in mangago
yeahhh I know exactly what you meant. Like he never love you in the first place and now he love cause youre strong and you dont need him. You should read “light and shadow” and “the reason why raeliana en... justareader
Haha I already read those two stories, really liked it, good taste lol.
I wish mangago had an award system on here because your last point was so freaking INCREEEEEEDDDDDIBLLLEEE it deserves the highest award of excellence!
And when combined with your point about the FL not knowing the ML's intentions and reasons, you clearly deserve more than one award of excellence. After all putting the onus on anyone but the victim is considered taboo and it's about time that at least started to change.
Plus the ML contributed to her mental instability by acting as if the threats of her father were something HE couldn't ignore but something she should be able to ignore herself, while also making it clear that he actually understood why she avoided touching Elle, marking his actions as even MORE cruel.
I wish mangago had an award system on here because your last point was so freaking INCREEEEEEDDDDDIBLLLEEE it deserves the highest award of excellence! And when combined with your point about the FL not knowing... ChuYang
Haha thanks. And while I do think that the FL isn’t perfect here, it’s sad that from her perspective, everyone hated her, particularly so her dad and the ML, so much so that she was scared of touching her son.
Honestly, the mc and ml both have faults in their own way. Like the MC has heavy baggage and cant overcome her trauma justareader
That's why she's not perfect. It is, however, not on the same level as someone treating her like sh!t, intentionally or not. I don't think the onus to take the first step should ever be placed on characters like the FL btw.
But the thing is the Duke had the power to say ~No ~ but he didn't he had the power to protect them also he didn't have to give their child to the side hoe but he did it anyway He also let everyone mistreat hi... Lihua
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I know right. But i think at the past . The mc father already hold a power over the duke. And he never knew that people around her was mistreating her (something like that) until the older El went to her mama's old room and reenact the past and he imprisoned the duke there watching the suffering of the MC over and over again. I'm not sure who return the past (the duke or el) but the duke has hos memory from the past.
Yes but I personally think that even though he may have had reasons for acting so cold to her, and even though he didn’t mean to hurt her, he still made her suffer and I just don’t think that’s the way yo... Passer-by
I get the point actually. But uhm the mc father has already makes his way to the duke's household. (Like what he said to mc'bro on the previous chapter) the mc dad can't let go of the revenge thingy. So basically he's not allowed to met the mc without someone there. (Idk really, if that's how it goes. I was spoiled too. )
I get the point actually. But uhm the mc father has already makes his way to the duke's household. (Like what he said to mc'bro on the previous chapter) the mc dad can't let go of the revenge thingy. So basical... shie.nigami
If he remembers the past and understands how the people around him were treating her now, if he thought something was wrong with the way she was treated, he should not have waited to intervene until she said something.
If he remembers the past and understands how the people around him were treating her now, if he thought something was wrong with the way she was treated, he should not have waited to intervene until she said so... ChuYang
What you mean? I think he's intervening enough but not so much . Like how you got reincarnated to the past manhuas. He might be afraid if something might change so much. It might change the past for good or for worst. So he's making his point .
What you mean? I think he's intervening enough but not so much . Like how you got reincarnated to the past manhuas. He might be afraid if something might change so much. It might change the past for good or for... shie.nigami
Um wayta? She was the one who had to make the first move. And he is doing nowhere near enough. Plus he's still acting as if he's the only one who's been wronged.
If he realized that his own people were bullying her because he has memories of his past life he could have immediately approached them or her instead of waiting for her to approach them or him about it. Especially since he now knows for certain (which we knew all along) that this way of 'protecting' her was just an excuse to cover up his inadequacies. Also especially since *he's* the one who basically told her to do as he said not as he did with that sh!tty line about just ignoring what people were gossiping about. As soon as he discovered he couldn't manage to ignore her father's threats (and yes he would have been able to recognize this even in the first life) he should have realized she wouldn't be able to ignore them either and apologized for his crass line, the crass line that the FL grasped at like such a life saving straw that it was the origin for her attempts to get married to him and away from her sh!tty father.
Um wayta? She was the one who had to make the first move. And he is doing nowhere near enough. Plus he's still acting as if he's the only one who's been wronged. If he realized that his own people were bullying... ChuYang
Finally he looked like he was looking at a strange dog when she died in her last life. No emotions whatsoever. That should have been the time he regretted what he was doing instead.
The pacing is just weird, it’s hard to read, the connecting pages and the dialogue are weird and confusing so it’s taking away too much brain power for no reason
I’ve seen that some people have been defending the ML after reading spoilers but I personally don’t understand. It always seems to be the case with those second chance type stories where actually the ML totally had a reason for mistreating the FL, be it because of manipulation or brainwashing or threats or whatever. I get that they have a reason but even so, it doesn’t excuse treating the FL badly. Especially because the FL doesn’t know their intentions and their reasons. In this particular case, so people have been saying that the ML gave the child to the mistress to take care of because he knew the FL was unstable and didn’t want to put more pressure on her but that’s such a stupid decision. I mean, if he really loved her and cared about her mental health as some people have been claiming, shouldn’t he have considered the emotional impact it would have on the FL to be told in front of all the servants and his mistress that she’s not fit to care for her son and that his mistress should take care of him instead. That is an absurd thing to do if he doesn’t communicate anything to her. I also really hate the fact that those stories always seem to inadvertently put the onus on the FL to change and not be so weak or naive to deserve to live a happy life.
Uhm actually its not like that. The ML was kind of threatened (?) by the mc's father. When the mc was preggy he went to war at that time he really wanna go back but mc's father told him that if he go back,the father would kill both mc and el. And when el was born ,mc father threatened the duke he would kill el if he would not give it to the mistress he put there. That's what I read with the spoiler shared here. Or basically like that.
But the thing is the Duke had the power to say ~No ~ but he didn't he had the power to protect them also he didn't have to give their child to the side hoe but he did it anyway
He also let everyone mistreat his wife until the day she died he never showed her any kindness
He could have done so many things right but his dumbass choose not to
Like he could have told her what was fucking going on
Yes but I personally think that even though he may have had reasons for acting so cold to her, and even though he didn’t mean to hurt her, he still made her suffer and I just don’t think that’s the way you should treat someone you love even though he has reasons, especially so because the FL doesn’t know his intentions and why he’s acting the way he is. For instance, let’s say someone stabbed me because someone told them that if they didn’t stab me, they would make my life miserable, for me personally, I wouldn’t know about the reason behind the stabbing and the only thing left is that they stabbed me.
I agree with you. He’s a duke which means he has higher position and power than the mc father. And doesnt he have a right hand man or even to devise a plan to trick the mc father or secure the mc and el? Its like he’s pathetically weak. He shouldve done better. But atleast theres a character development of the og ml and ml reincarnate. Hes trying to make amends and protect them
Yeah I also agree that he seems to want to own up to his mistakes and do better but I always feel a little bit iffy in those second chance stories where the FL has to change first for the ML not to treat her like sh*t which is a bit disconcerting. I’m not exactly sure about this one because some are saying that the ML has also reincarnated but nothing’s been confirmed yet so I still have some reservations
yeahhh I know exactly what you meant. Like he never love you in the first place and now he love cause youre strong and you dont need him. You should read “light and shadow” and “the reason why raeliana ended up at the duke mansion ” bcs its nothing like that in this webtoon. Its here in mangago
Haha I already read those two stories, really liked it, good taste lol.
YES!! Finally!! Someone said it!!
I wish mangago had an award system on here because your last point was so freaking INCREEEEEEDDDDDIBLLLEEE it deserves the highest award of excellence!
And when combined with your point about the FL not knowing the ML's intentions and reasons, you clearly deserve more than one award of excellence. After all putting the onus on anyone but the victim is considered taboo and it's about time that at least started to change.
Plus the ML contributed to her mental instability by acting as if the threats of her father were something HE couldn't ignore but something she should be able to ignore herself, while also making it clear that he actually understood why she avoided touching Elle, marking his actions as even MORE cruel.
Honestly, the mc and ml both have faults in their own way. Like the MC has heavy baggage and cant overcome her trauma
and the ML not showing enough support or secretly comforting the mc to fight or something
Haha thanks. And while I do think that the FL isn’t perfect here, it’s sad that from her perspective, everyone hated her, particularly so her dad and the ML, so much so that she was scared of touching her son.
Yeah I do also think that it’s never just one party’s fault and that first and foremost, they should have communicated with each other
welp theyre both broken or fucked up something hahahaha Match in Heaven I say
That's why she's not perfect. It is, however, not on the same level as someone treating her like sh!t, intentionally or not. I don't think the onus to take the first step should ever be placed on characters like the FL btw.
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I know right. But i think at the past . The mc father already hold a power over the duke. And he never knew that people around her was mistreating her (something like that) until the older El went to her mama's old room and reenact the past and he imprisoned the duke there watching the suffering of the MC over and over again. I'm not sure who return the past (the duke or el) but the duke has hos memory from the past.
I get the point actually. But uhm the mc father has already makes his way to the duke's household. (Like what he said to mc'bro on the previous chapter) the mc dad can't let go of the revenge thingy. So basically he's not allowed to met the mc without someone there. (Idk really, if that's how it goes. I was spoiled too. )
If he remembers the past and understands how the people around him were treating her now, if he thought something was wrong with the way she was treated, he should not have waited to intervene until she said something.
What you mean? I think he's intervening enough but not so much . Like how you got reincarnated to the past manhuas. He might be afraid if something might change so much. It might change the past for good or for worst. So he's making his point .
Um wayta? She was the one who had to make the first move. And he is doing nowhere near enough. Plus he's still acting as if he's the only one who's been wronged.
If he realized that his own people were bullying her because he has memories of his past life he could have immediately approached them or her instead of waiting for her to approach them or him about it. Especially since he now knows for certain (which we knew all along) that this way of 'protecting' her was just an excuse to cover up his inadequacies. Also especially since *he's* the one who basically told her to do as he said not as he did with that sh!tty line about just ignoring what people were gossiping about. As soon as he discovered he couldn't manage to ignore her father's threats (and yes he would have been able to recognize this even in the first life) he should have realized she wouldn't be able to ignore them either and apologized for his crass line, the crass line that the FL grasped at like such a life saving straw that it was the origin for her attempts to get married to him and away from her sh!tty father.
Finally he looked like he was looking at a strange dog when she died in her last life. No emotions whatsoever. That should have been the time he regretted what he was doing instead.