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Grayson became a green flag. Matter of fact, Dane is the red flag here on this story Lmaoo

But did he ever apologized properly to his brother? Is what I was tryna say

everyone he knows that he has wronged, yes. and he has a mental condition since birth which makes him unable to perceive whats morally right even when with the good intentions. his therapies and teachings did not cure him so he grew up copying from watching others and applying them in situations

He really didn't realise wht he did was wrong cs of his mental condition. He genuinely believed that he is saving chase(which actually was the case as he did saved chase life multiple times). So he never knew that wht he said to chase was traumatising to him. But later in his story when he will go through lots of emotional turmoil then only he will realise that what he said to chase was actually ao wrong and he did apologies to chase but chase didn't forgive him. And he said that he will keep apologising to chase until then.

That's good that he apologised. Good for Chase for not forgiving him as well, in fact, I love that he wasn't forgiven. The horrible things that Chase went through growing up as a child into adulthood cannot be simply abated just because his brother realised it so late in life and only when he got to experience set backs himself. Its only right for Grayson to keep apologising.

While I do agree and actually liked that part that chase didn't forgive him. That also cleared the thing that Grayson actually don't have his own words to have conversations. And he really don't knw anything. Because he realised that he has done wrong but he still didn't knw wht to say, so dane taught him the sentences to say to Chase. Chase thought that if he copying words again then there's no way that he is sincere. But Grayson was actually very sincere it was clearly visible.

That's the reason that I personally was able to forgive Grayson actions as it made thus clear that he was a good person from before he just needed good guidance as he was still using the same technique of mimicikng thing but inde Dane guidance this time.

It would actually have been less acceptable for me if he would suddenly started feeling everything and suddenly started knowing wht to say jn wht situation as they Ashley did clarify that Grayson has been gone to every possible kind of treatments and therapies but couldn't be cured.

Nah, still not excusable. Whether he had good intentions, he was still an abuser, and that will never equate to him being a good person just because of his illness. Whatever illness that he has won't ever erase the fact that he was a piece of shit to his brother irregardless. And whether Chase found him to be unbelievable is completely understandable and is absolutely valid for he was the victim. The damage cannot be undone, and Chase himself had developed series of mental disorders (and a fucked up personality as well) due to the abuse he received in his childhood.

So in this story, if Grayson truly did become a better person then good for him. But his actions before shouldn't be reduced and repainted as something else entirely because of his illness. All the bad things he did to Chase, it caused a deep and serious damage. So no, he was not a good person.

Yeah grayson may not be a good person to chase for wht he did just like chase who may not be a good person to 100+ people he injured severely and to Henry whom he almost killed. I understand that. Bad actions can never be excused no matter weather the person is understand their actions or not. True.

Him being a good person is innate, he just not learned how to show it using the right and morally accepted methods because of his condition. Labeling him as an abuser, even with him not being able to perceive the right conducts and emotions? It's really simple to understand really. it's like when you have a family member who's mentally ill, they were born good but then they developed a mental disability when they were young so they are doing wrong things unintentionally. Understanding and guidance are what these people need, we do not just treat them like they're evil. We acknowledge the wrongdoings, we do not reduce the serverity of it, but we should not put them in the same group of people who commit crimes with their mind stable.

*severity

If Chase was a real person who SUFFERED GREATLY to the point that he was under medication because of mental disorders he developed due to the things he went through because of his brother, his ABUSER, do you think you're able to say to him that the person who caused all of that was a good person straight to his eyes? He'll be looking at you with so much disgust because you basically just invalidated all of the things he endured since his childhood. So no, YOU don't get to say that Grayson is a good person when you're not even looking at it in Chase's view. You do not reduce the ugly shitty things he did under the guise of his illness. Zero accountability.

The NUANCE in their story is that Grayson realised that all of the things he did was WRONG, and as per the previous who answered, he sincerely apologised. That is a good thing. And Chase not forgiving his brother because he cannot trust Grayson and not believing in him is HIS right in so many justifiable reasons. Because all the suffering Chase had to go through was REAL, whether Grayson had good internal intentions but his ACTIONS were abusive. He can be a good guy, but he will NEVER be the good guy to the people who directly suffered BECAUSE OF HIM.

Also, you say unintentionally? When Chase, as a grown up, believed for so long that he truly slept with a fucking dog that Grayson even had the gal to bring it in the same room with Chase over and over that Chase eventually developed a serious fear towards dogs in general. Intent WAS ALWAYS THERE, and THAT is ABUSE. Also, he has been sexually and verbally harassing his brother by saying that he helped Chase relieve his rut by letting Chase have sex with his dog Alex. Again, THAT IS ABUSE. Need I say more?

Seriously, Chase was an ABUSER too. He literally tried to kill and crippled ppl, was violent way before his trauma. And even though trauma don't give you the right to kill ppl. But chase has given a free pass by his fans. Even though he assaulted ppl he is still an Angel

And everyone talks about how family is with him wht about how chase was with the family. He knew that his brother is not normal frm a vey young age, he knew how he struggled and has only learnt to mimic things and expressions (before his trauma or accidents). Where is his accountability towards his older brother. He was a child, other siblings were children too. And wht he was doin with his body was suicidal. I really wish Grayson should have left him to die. Don't even start me on Chase n Josh, they are the most selfish couple of this universe. After reading kiss me liar, m even concerned about their parenting. Yeah Grayson disgust josh and Chase shouldn't forgive him. But they got issue taking help from that supposedly disgust guy. When they are need and dying they would gladly take help from Grayson. Both josh and chase only care abt their sufferings they don't give a damn abt other ppl sufferings. And that's how their fans are as well. At least ppl supporting are acknowledging chase sufferings.

Grayson is the only Miller who showed sympathy towards other ppl as well beside their partners. All the bodyguards still hate Chase. But all the firefighters don't hate Grayson at the end. That's the difference between the development of both the characters. Wht Grayson did chase could never.

Of course, Chase is a piece of shit too. Who even is denying his fucked up personality? Also, his abuse started IN HIS CHILDHOOD. Grayson literally pushed Chase down the CHIMNEY. What do you mean way before his abuse? Chase was literally a CHILD. How do you think, with all the violence, around him and targeted at him would shape him into an adult with no one to trust because even his own parents could not protect him from of Grayson? Locked him in the closet, pushed him in front of the bus. Tried to kill him literally MULTIPLE TIMES. Also, of course they should accept the help from Grayson when they are in NEED and DYING. Grayson owes Chase THAT much but they don't owe anything to Grayson. Greyson was supposed to be the one that cannot understand emotions but growing up Chase was made to be weird because he had compassion towards an animal who died. Telling him he has always been weird for being emotional. He was literally emotionally isolated. Furthermore, when you say you prefer that Grayson should have just left him to die says more a lot about you rather than someone who just reads. Yikes.

Also, what a weird comparison. Of course the body guards won't like Chase, he literally hurt them. Just like how Chase still won't like Grayson after abusing him too. Grayson and the firefighters have a different situation, Grayson's never hurt them because he had a goal. It was the other way around. He was being ostracized by a group of male firefighters because he was basically a nepo baby who didn't deserve to be there which is totally valid as well. To that scenario it was more about their acceptance and acknowledgement to being a member there. So no, the comparison doesn't make sense because it was easier for them to accept him because he didn't really hurt them. Do you think they would still like him if Grayson did the same thing? Of course not. Also, I'm not a fan of any character of this world. I'm only a sucker for all the stories from BWAT. I don't even like Chase that much, but his personality as an adult was shaped because of the violence he endured during his childhood. He's still a piece of shit too, but majority of that was caused by Grayson. And it does make sense for Grayson to have sympathy for others aside from his partner, it's something he didn't have his entire life. He SHOULD have sympathy and should express that for the next years of his life.

Your statements itself says who is an overall better person. And no chase has always been introduced as a violent, moody, problematic and emotional kid like I said even before the incidents. It's not the circumstances that shaped him to be like that. It was his nature. Also he was born with the ability to show compassion, Grayson wasn't born with it. Still Chase chose to show sympathy to a bird which is not a bad thing but his sympathies towards ppl wasn't there. chase was child and grayson was also a child. The situations did make him more rude and violent.

The one who was able to show sympathy was rude to ppl. And the one who wasn't still showed sympathy to others. (He was also showing care to chase as well but those turned out to be horrible). Good intentions can't excuse bad results, but it's not that good intentions doesn't matter at all. They do. Grayson was also able to finally change their parents too that no one else could do. He didn't recieve forgiveness from chase, that's good fr them.

So Grayson is the one who deserves his story the most (as the universe is based on him). And is the most redeemable character.

Wym his own story???? The universe was never about Chase it was about Grayson to begin with. Chase got his own story as an impact of Grayson's condition. Grayson story was the first written story.

Also the thing u said about chase and josh parenting. Im glad someone else's notice that. Readers are already hating on cecil who is a child and preferring Pete. I was so sad on the scene where cecil was crying alone and chane and josh ignored him

I said what I said. Do not put things in my mouth. Invalidated? Reduce? This just means you are narrowminded enough not to comprehend all I've said. Read it again, slowly. Or not.

" I don't even like Chase that much, but his personality as an adult was shaped because of the violence he endured during his childhood. He's still a piece of shit too, but majority of that was caused by Grayson"

see? this is you using circumstances for chase's wrong actions too. And that is also what we say when Grayson's actions are shaped by his upbringing and mental disability. Talk about being a hypocrite.

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tsk why isnt there an edit button on replies

THOUGHT THE SAME THING LMAO

everybodys fucked up atp