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I think you would not like something like Bleach then - over 623 chapters (as opposed the 52 here that are published in a magazine only available bi-monthly - plus she publishes Crimson Spell every other month? and only has two people to help her - as is seen in the photos of her and her staff) ... and except for a two year time skip in between, the action took place only over a few months. (Okay it is published weekly - but Kubo sensei has a bigger team of illustrators)
Oh, and there have been a number of people who have gone through this manga to do page counts because everyone seems to complain about that - and the grand average of page counts is 23. Sensei also spoke out once about how exhausted she was after she did a huge chapter - because she only has three weeks to produce them.
And have you bought any of these volumes to support her?
Just giving you some facts here - not raging on you.
And look at a time-lapse of how long it takes for her to produce her colour drawings ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHG0kRgxB8E

As Yamane sensei is currently publishing not one but two mangas that have been featured on the New York Times best seller list - which one do you think should be a priority? How could she choose one over the other? But she has - Viewfinder, because the Crimson Spell chapters are even shorter than VF, so I would not be quite to quick to criticize.

another stupid whining fangirl. You'll get a death stare from Crimson Spell's fans if you say about this in front of them. If vf isn't her priority, then what is her priority? Pfft.

She's a super slow mangaka.I hate it tbh. But what can I do? It's not like she's less passion on it, she's just...slow. The same night for a year, who cares as long as the story is still interesting?

I advice you to read another manga, to have a life, never take vf manga too seriously, forget about it for a while, come back (or not is up to you) while this manga back.

I would gladly pay more for this manga to proceed faster, but the newer chapters are harder to get a hold of.
Yup I'm a stupid fangirl, but you know what! You are too! Judging from the way you react to my comment ^^ It's because of us STUPID FANGIRLS that this manga is even ongoing! Peace ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

I understand your frustration because I feel it too. I regret that Ayano Yamane is very slow. Like everyone else who like Viewfinder, I'd like to have 100 pages every week.^^ But I haven't felt less passion in her work and I think we are rather lucky comparing to the readers of Crimson Spell. They really are frustrated and disappointed (and even angry) because they haven't a lot to read each time (3 or 5 pages sometimes). I understand them too.

I'm glad not to have started reading this story earlier. I had started it a few years ago but stopped it because of the rapes in the first chapters. I gave the story another try a few months ago because it's popular and I wanted to know why. I like this story and hadn't regretted to read it but sometimes, I think it would have been better if I didn't give it another try because it's too long to wait and it was so good to read chapters after chapters, without waiting until it says there's no more chapter for you to read yet. I only started a few months ago and I'm frustrated so I understand you who have been waiting for years. It's awful to think we have only about 120 pages to read per year. We'll be old when the story ends.^^

I think the mangaka shouldn't write/draw several stories at the same time because of her slowness. But maybe she has to do this to be able to keep the motivation for each story. After a few years, it may be tiring to always draw the same story, even if she likes the plot of this story and the characters. She maybe wants to change theme sometimes.

Somehow, I agree that she kinda lost her motivation and getting "lazy". It shows in latest chapters that each page has wider frames with big drawings, which means less amount of frames and less compact story. Not that I don't appreciate her work hard and effort, but I believe she could do much much much better than that.

Although it's understandable considering in the past couple of years she faced some setbacks in her personal life, however, I prefer that in the past year she could had a decent break from writing her manga. I mean a quality time for her to rest, so that she could later pick it up again in a fresh mind and pace. Her mangas are great and have a loyal fanbase. So, despite having a hiatus, people will still stick to it. Just like what happened with hunterxhunter.

http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v05/c030.1/44/

http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v07/c036/4/

also this ones...totally love it (≧∀≦)

I love that one as well ヾ(☆▽☆)

I wonder the same thing because I find his behaviour so unlogical! Why betraying the person you love?

And now, he seems really sad and even thinks that he can't return to Asami's side anymore. As if he could betray Asami and stay with him like this. And as if Asami would never notice. Sudou is not described as someone who is stupid but the way he thinks and the way he acts prove the contrary. Or, he can be really naive sometimes to the point of being truly stupid.

I don't understand him at all.

it was jealousy and he wanted to have a special place in Asami's heart, remember he mentioned Fei long, he wanted to have the same impact but he failed, I feel sorry for the lil fella!

pour attirer son attention car il a remarqué qu'il ya un lien un peu particulier qui le maintien vis a vis feilong! comme un enfant qui fait des bêtises pour attirer l'intention de sa maman, certes un lien malsain mais sudoh n'en pouvais plus! il l'a bien expliqué à aki ds l'entrepot, j'ai eu pitié pour lui, akihito l'a bien compris que sudoh ou kuroda sont prés pour tout donner rien que pour les beaux yeux d'asami, ps j'en ferai autant "je crois" :D

C'est sûr que c'est malsain. Mais ce que je ne comprends pas avec Sudou, c'est qu'on dirait qu'il pensait sérieusement pouvoir rester au côté d'Asami après sa trahison. C'est quand même un comble de penser ça en sachant qu'Asami ne pardonne rien (sauf à Akihito pour lequel je pense qu'il pourrait pardonner pratiquement tout).

En plus, c'est mal pensé pour Sudou parce que même si Asami a un lien particulier avec Fei long, il n'en est pas obsédé (contrairement à Fei long) et n'est pas particulièrement attiré par lui sinon leur relation aurait été plus poussée.

Je n'aime pas Sudou parce que je trouve qu'il a un esprit tordu mais je ne peux pas m'empêcher non plus d'avoir pitié de lui. J'aimerais le voir se racheter auprès d'Akihito mais je pense que je peux toujours rêver...

Je crois surtout que Sudou travaille pour le compte d'un patron beaucoup plus puissant qu'Asami (sinon il n'aurait pas pris le risque de se le mettre à dos) et qu'il est tombé malgré lui amoureux d'Asami, ça se comprend qui ne tomberait pas sous son charme ^^

non non il n'y a rien de tel, sudoh s'est trouvé dans une position qui lui a permis de jouer dans la cours des grands! les magistrats, les politiciens (c'est asami qu'il l'a assigné à ce poste pour pouvoir faire chanter les politiciens) , sudoh en a profité mais il a vu trop grand il croyais pouvoir s'en sortir sans que asami s'en aperçoive et c'etait presque bien joué si la photo prise par aki n'est pas venu pour renverser son plan, sakazaki l'a balancé, ce mec je ne le comprend pas! d'une part il balance sudoh puis il vient à son secour! il a eu une peur bleu rien qu'en entendant le nom d'asami puis il ose touché akihito! ce mec n'est pas clair du tout.

Ah ok donc c'est a cause d'Aki et de Sazaki s'il est devenu l'homme à abattre mais si ce dernier est venu le sauver c'est qu'il y a bien une raison et je doute que ce soit par amour. Oui oui tout cela semble tiré par les cheveux mais je pense que Sudou s'est réellement fait manipuler d'ailleurs Aaron lui a dit de mieux choisir les personnes avec qui il fait affaire.

Effectivement, Sudou a eu les yeux plus gros que le ventre et n'était pas suffisamment préparé et expérimenté pour faire face aux conséquences mais ça me laissera toujours perplexe le fait de vouloir sciemment trahir la personne que l'on aime au lieu de l'aider et essayer de la séduire.

Concernant Sakazaki, Ayano Yamane a dit qu'il était suffisamment masochiste pour vouloir qu'Asami découvre ce qu'il a fait avec Akihito (d'ailleurs, le fait qu'il enregistre sa fellation en est une preuve, en plus de pouvoir faire chanter Akihito). Je pense donc qu'il agit uniquement selon ses propres intérêts et impulsions. Je pense aussi, qu'à sa manière, il a envie d'attirer l'attention d'un grand comme Asami, même s'il en a très peur. Tous ces gens-là doivent avoir une soif de reconnaissance et une ambition démesurées.

Donc, pour moi, Sakazaki a sauvé Sudou afin de pouvoir l'utiliser pour une raison qu'on ne connaît pour l'instant pas. Et il l'avait balancé la dernière fois parce que c'était forcément son intérêt de le faire, pour mener à bien ses projets.

*sniff* My high school French is inadequate to effectively follow this conversation! But from what I can understand, it sounds very interesting!

Sorry. I summarize what we were saying:

Reponce was answering that Sudou had betrayed Asami to be noticed by Asami, in a way to be like Feilong for Asami.

I replied that what I couldn’t understand is how Sudou can believe he could stay by Asami’s side knowing he was betraying him. I can’t understand his way of thinking because we all know that Asami is not very forgiving (except when it concerns Akihito). I also was saying that Sudou was wrong when he thinks he can be the equal of Feilong because although Asami has a special relationship with Feilong , he is not obsessed with him (unlike Feilong ) and Asami is not particularly attracted to Feilong.

Anonymous was saying she believed Sudou was working for another boss, more powerful than Asami and that Sudou fell in love with Asami unintentionally.

Reponce replied she didn’t believe that because she told that Sudou managed to enter in a world full of powerful people like judges and politicians, thanks to Asami who gave him the job to be able to blackmail the politicians). But Sudou took advantage of his position, believing Asami wouldn’t notice, and was trying to re-establish the situation, still unnoticed but the picture Akihito took revealed his betrayal. She said she didn’t understand Sakazaki because he also betrayed Sudou but now was rescuing him, and because he’s scared by Asami but touched Akihito.

Anonymous said she thought Sudou had been manipulated.

And I replied to Reponce:

Indeed, Sudou ate more than he could chew and wasn’t sufficiently prepared and experienced to deal with the consequences but it what leave me perplexed is the will to knowingly betray the one you love instead of wanting to help and try to seduce this beloved person.

Regarding Sakazaki, Ayano Yamane said he was masochistic enough to want Asami to discover what he did with Akihito (besides, the fact that he recorded the fellatio is the proof, in addition to be able to blackmail Akihito). So I think he moves only according to his own interests and impulses. I also think, in his own way, he wants to attract the attention of someone as powerful as Asami, even if he is very afraid of him. All these people (Sudou, Sakazaki, etc) must have an excessive ambition and a deep need of acknowledgment.

So for me, Sakazaki saved Sudou in order to use him for a reason that we don’t know so far. And Sudou was betrayed by Sakazaki the last time because it was Sakazaki’s interests to do so, to carry out his projects.

That's it! You have a lot of reading :) And sorry again ;)

Oh, gosh! Thanks for the translate! I think that was mostly what I got from it anyway, but the actual translation was very kind of you!

And you do not need to apologise for writing in a language you feel more comfortable in, I was just lamenting my poor French skills! (I am Canadian and our official languages are English/French - I just live in the West and rarely get to practice my French, so I lost most of it!

And your discussion was very interesting, we shall have to see what happens next, but a lot of what you were discussing makes for some interesting speculation of where Yamane sensei is going to take the story!

You're welcome! ;)

That's right it's easier for me (and for other French-speaking persons, I guess) to write in French, it takes me less time to express myself than when I write in English but those who don't understand French are left out of the conversation, that's why I apologized.

I like speculations and it's always interesting to share points of view with other people. It often enlightenes some things, which was the case for me with Reponce's reply about the behaviour of Sudou. She compared what Sudou has done to Asami with children who do stupid things to get the attention of their mother, and I think she's right in her statement. Then, Sudou is really immature and awfully naive.

En fait je pense que comme l'une de vous l'a dit il a essayé de la jouer à la Fei long, mais comme aussi l'une de vous l'a dit Asami se fout royalement de Fei long, et je pense que Sudoh a juste mal compris la relation à sens unique qu'Asami et Fei long avait. Dc ayant mal jugé tout ça il a voulu imiter Fei long, pour un peu attirer l'attention d'Asami, mais c'est rater tout ce qu'il a réussi à faire c'est complètement trahir Asami et donc être traiter comme s'il n'existait plus pour ce dernier !

Aussi je suis d'accord Sakazaki je comprends rien à ce type comme tu dis une fois peur d'asami l'autre fois se fait sucern je pige rien, mais ça je le mets sur le coup d'une erreur de l'auteur, car il y a beaucoup de détails comme ça dans l'histoire qui ne s'accorde pas.

Version française : Pour Sakazaki, je ne pense pas que ce soit une erreur de l'auteur, comme tu le dis. Je pense que Sakazaki agit selon ses propres intérêts du moment donc, ça peut être contradictoire pour un moment et le moment suivant. Par contre, je te rejoins dans ce que tu dis concernant les erreurs de l'auteur et la profusion de détails qui ne s'accordent pas parce que je n'ai jamais vu un manga contenant autant d'erreurs que dans Viewfinder.

English version: Concerning Sakazaki, I don't think it is, as you say it, a mistake of the author. I think Sakazaki acts according to his own interests, so he is likely to do a thing one day and the opposite thing another day. However, I agree with you concerning the mistakes the author do and the profusion of details that do not fit because I've never seen a manga containing as many mistakes as in Viewfinder.

ah oui pas faux vu qu'on est dans l'univers de la magouille a peut être les raisons de Sakazaki... mince tu viens de m'ouvrir les yeux, j'y avais pas pensé tiens !!
Pour les erreurs, c'est claire, la pire pour moi c'est la blessure d'asami à la jambe, se tromper de jambe quand même comment l'éditeur a pu passer à côté!!!

I don't know if Sudou is naive so much as willfully blind and somewhat delusional. He just cannot see that Asami will never go to him, and that Akihito is really a strong character that draws Asami's attention.

I think some of the mistake revolve wholly the ambiguous nature of the Japanese language and the difficulties in translating it to English, especially if the translators are not professionals (not blaming those who translate, just that if you are not professionally trained in translation, then some phrases end up coming out wrong...or a little contradictory) I have this problem with my parent's native language and the fact that sometimes I want to translate things literally instead of finding near substitutes/slang.

Je suis contente si j'ai pu te donner une autre vision des choses. Je vois Sakazaki comme un opportuniste et une vraie girouette qui peut retourner sa veste à tout moment selon ce qui est le mieux pour lui.

Et effectivement, pour moi aussi, le pire est la blessure de sa jambe. Je ne peux jamais relire les livres de cette mangaka sans voir toutes les erreurs qu'elle a faites et, surtout, celle de la jambe. Ca me paraît tellement aberrant ! Et je ne comprends pas comment ils ont pu la rater ! Ils ne doivent jamais se relire, c'est pas possible ! A. Yamane devrait se relire ou faire un petit livre où elle prendrait des notes pour ne pas oublier.

In these mangas, there're mistakes of translation of course but it is minor. But here, we are talking about Ayano Yamane's huge mistakes in her drawings. The biggest one is the leg of Asami which was injured because of Feilong.

Feilong shot his right leg: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v03/c013/27/

And after that, it is the left leg which is injured: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v05/c029/23/ and here, you can see the bandage around his left thigh: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v05/c030.1/30/

And there're plenty of mistakes like this. Another one: Akihito has a black t-shirt under his shirt: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v03/c009/24/
Here: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v03/c009/25/ you can see he has removed the shirt but he still wears the t-shirt, and here: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v03/c009/26/, he has the shirt but no t-shirt. That means he has removed the t-shirt when he's making love to put back his shirt.

Another one: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v08/c050/5/
On the top of the image you can see that both Asami and Akihito have a mug of coffee in their hand. The last image shows someone (Akihito) put down the mug.
The next page shows that they both have the mug in their hand. Here: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v08/c050/6/

And there still are other mistakes. Check the last chapter and you'll be able to see that Akihito has sometimes his bandage around his neck and sometimes he has not it.

I won't expose every mistakes but just have another one:

Here, look at the shirt Akihito is wearing: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v06/c034/23/
And the next page: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v06/c034/24/
And the next again: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v06/c034/25/

Akihito seems to like changing clothes really often during the same moment.^^

Mm?
I don't see the problem xD

Ah, well there's the wrists I guess.
Personally that sort of thing never really bothered me aha.

oho... u didn't noticed the watch ? http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v06/c034/23/

Ah, true! I think she forgets to look back sometimes. Ah well, perhaps she fixes these things in her tanbokan?

*Tankobon :P
Well, no, she doesn't aha.

Oops! Should check my spelling before posting! Too bad she does not fix those things, oh well, c'est la vie!

Yes, there's the watch but I was mentioning the shirt here: the printed patterns on the shirt are note the same from a page to another.

Mm, hard enough to notice aha.
More seriously, I'm pretty sure she has to rush chapters all the time, and my guess is that at some point she has to stop drawing the draft no matter how finished it is and just ink it. Hence the missing accessories and stuff.
I mean, she has a habit of leaving blank spaces in the magazine release, probably because the drafts were just that much more unfinished than only an accessory missing.

Yes, unfortunately she didn't fix it. I know she's a human being and human beings can forget some things but it would be better if she reread herself/took some notes to remember things. I don't understand the editor too who should have seen the mistakes.

I mean no offense for Ayano Yamane and I still like her story but I am a perfectionist so, I cannot not notice her many mistakes, especially a mistake like Asami's injured leg. This one, I find it hard to accept it.

That said, I still continue to wait impatiently for her updates and buy the book, each time there's a release.

Sudou's a total bitch with some psychological problems, no normal person would kill someone because of jelousy...I totally hate that kind of people who would hurt someone just because they don't like them.

I'm pretty mixed about the hypothesis she has to rush for each chapter. I wonder why some mangakas manage to draw more pages in less time than 2 months and not her. I take for exemple Rihito Takarai with "10 count" which is published in the magazine Dear+ each month (last update the chapter contained 35 pages). You can argue that Ayano Yamane writes also Crimson spell but, in average, for Crimson Spell and Viewfinder, she publishes about 30 pages bimonthly!!

I also read Bleach and Tite Kubo publishes each week 17 or 18 pages. Here, you can argue that maybe A. Yamane takes more time to draw little details. But I don't know what to think about that. I don't want to judge her work because I have no right to do that and I can't judge because I don't know the field of manga publishing but there're questions in my mind with no answers about that. And what makes me more confused is that, if she draws 40 pages bimonthly for her two stories, it means she has more than 1 day to finish 1 page. Unless she has no assistant, I don't think she has to rush to complete her work.

However, there's one thing that I'm sure: it's that her publisher should have fix the mistakes. Part of my university studies were in publishing and I worked a few time for publishers so I can tell you it's a part of their work to read the final chapters and to tell the author about the mistakes before printing. Of course, it can remain some errors but in Viewfinder, there're a lot.

Look, in an interview she said she was making 20 pages in 3 weeks and that she was a slow as a mangaka. Her editor went "She's never in time!", and they laughed. It was roughly like that.

She did mention she had barely any assistant though, I think it was 1 or 2 for the screentoning and some friend when she really needed her. She does nearly literally draw everything.

It was a French interview, I could find it again and give you the link :P

As for the publishing, I doubt it works exactly the same in Japan, even less in the manga department.

Ah, here it is:
"Combien de temps vous faut-il pour terminer un chapitre ?"
"Trois semaines… (son éditrice réagit : « Bien plus ! », lance-t-elle, ce qui fait rire Yamane, NDR)… pour faire 20 planches. Mais comme le souligne mon éditrice, je suis souvent en retard !"
http://tori-tori.co/fr/politics/8-interview-de-ayano-yamane

"Et vous avez beaucoup d’assistants pour vous aider ?"
"Non, deux assistants. L’assistant en chef et un autre pour les trames. Et si besoin, une amie vient me donner un coup de main. Mais même avec plus d’assistants, je n’avancerais pas plus vite. Tout dépend de moi puisque je dessine toutes les planches."
http://www.total-manga.com/article-ayano-yamane-pa9549-1404/interview-japan-expo-11.html

Here's without the links, the website is going to approve the copy of this whenever they're going to feel like it lol.

Ayano Yamane - Interview Japan Expo 11
Interview #1
Et vous avez beaucoup d’assistants pour vous aider ?
Non, deux assistants. L’assistant en chef et un autre pour les trames. Et si besoin, une amie vient me donner un coup de main. Mais même avec plus d’assistants, je n’avancerais pas plus vite. Tout dépend de moi puisque je dessine toutes les planches.

Quel est votre rythme de parution ?
Je ne fais que 20 pages par mois. Pour un mangaka, c’est vraiment peu. Une fois, j’ai fait 40 pages en un mois pour boucler une série mais j’ai failli en mourir, je n’en pouvais plus. (Rire)

Interview#2
Combien de temps vous faut-il pour terminer un chapitre ?
Trois semaines… (son éditrice réagit : « Bien plus ! », lance-t-elle, ce qui fait rire Yamane, NDR)… pour faire 20 planches. Mais comme le souligne mon éditrice, je suis souvent en retard !

Thank you for the interview. It confirms what I thought.

I said I don't know a thing about the publishing of mangas. Yes, it's totally different from other books. The only things I know come from Sekaiichi hatsukoi.^^ However, some things, the main things, are the same from a country to an other, and from a publisher to an other.
There are always a team for the design of the book (create the text, the illustrations, the layout, etc.), a team for printing, a team for marketing and finally, the distributors of the books.

With manga publishing, it must be more stressful and very well organized (I hope for them) because the publication deadlines in the magazines are shorter than for a book of literature for example. Everything must be done quickly.

C'est ouf, j'avais jamais capté !!!!!!! Σ(っ°Д °;)っ

The clothes look similar, it is just that having a screentone fill (the pattern on his shirt) that is the exact same pattern - for close up/distant images is hard to find. I took Graphic Design and know that these patterns can be a little limited.

Thank you for the information :)
It's great that we can learn things from people experiences here too. Now, I understand better why she made that "mistake".

No problem. If you ever see a pattern similar - that does not really change over the folds of clothing (look at your own clothes to see how the pattern changes over folds) then you know the pattern is a screentone as opposed to something hand drawn - but those kinds of patterns are very labour intensive to hand draw. That is why many mangaka use the screen tones. *winks*