Something I noticed rereading this again is pg 35-36. It was never really clear to me before whether Kan faced sexual abuse at work in addition to the obvious physical, verbal and emotional abuse. I mean there's him being ordered to strip, but that could be construed as more humiliation and not something overtly sexual. But if you look at pg 35 this is where he's ordered to strip naked and the disgusting boss says he's "nice and slim" and the next page he's in the bathroom, panting, washing his mouth/face, and rubbing his lips (saying ow, though there doesn't appear to be any wounds on the outside of his mouth, so maybe it's on the inside). So uhh was he forced to suck that guys dick or am I reading too much into it?
I’ve always thought so too. And then he goes and tops his bf. Which to me, always made it seem he was raped at work and forced to bottom.
I feel like he was sexually harassed rather than assaulted, though you might be right. I think when he was rubbing his lips looking in the mirror, that it more about it being painful for him to smile after being humiliated.
ik this is an old comment but if ur not currently reading the ongoing manga following this storyline (i dont pay attention to titles but its the one abt kan chan and his current bf) the manga shows evidence of kan chan being sexually assaulted/raped.
Wasn't expecting to see a popper in BL manga, this mangaka did her research lol. Though they are a pretty safe drug so a bit weird to have him faint from it (I mean it could happen, but not very common). But umm if someone takes a drug or alcohol and faints PLEASE BRING THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. Seriously this is how people die of alcohol poisoning or drug overdose because there friends are too afraid to take them to the hospital, but the hospital won't report you to the police because they literally can't due to doctor-patient confidentiality.
Raws: https://ba-raw.livejournal.com/tag/hadakeru%20kaibutsu
And summaries I found on tumblr:
https://rasher-translations.tumblr.com/post/179316707329/hadakeru-kaibutsu-chapter-8-summary
https://atlibby.tumblr.com/post/169731500209/hi-do-you-mind-giving-a-summary-of-hadakeru
https://atlibby.tumblr.com/post/171141018064/sooo-what-exactly-happened-in-the-last-chapter
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I didn't understand shit but i cired at that photo album ╥﹏╥
Okay you can't just talk about how big his dick is and then censor it into oblivion. That's. Just. So. Fucking. Rude.
Seriously though why does BL still have so much censorship, whereas for years hentai has gotten away with a having a few tiny black or white slivers that barely obscure anything?
original doujinshis (the independent, non-major publisher mangas) are unfortunately few in BL world and most are just fan djs so the most that we get is the publisher-censored comics. shows that straight hentai has got bigger crowd (readers & creators ) so they get more uncensored content than us. there are scanlators that decensors the ones they got tho.
"Hiroto-kun's place which will become a woman"
"You became like a girl"
"Being subdued like a woman by someone who looks like one"
Okay does anyone actually get turned on by lines like this??? Because for me they are a huge turn off and makes me think mangaka who write them have some serious internalized misogyny. I mean maybe I'm reading too much into it, because I don't even know what I'm supposed to take away from these lines. WTF does it mean for a man to become like a women during sex? What are women like? Okay nope the more I think about the more I think I'm definitely not reading too much into it, this is internalized misogyny if I've ever seen it.
I came to BL to get away from porn and smut where women are "subdued", I don't want to be reminded of that shit when I'm reading a manga with two guys fucking. Why should women be brought up at all during sex between men??? I wish otherwise amazing BL would stop with these lines already. I could barely keep reading. This bothers me way more than the blurry consent. I've seen similar stuff in so many BL too.
I think they mean that the person who takes the dick in has a more feminine role. It even dates back to Ancient Athens where if two guys were doing it the person who is getting penetrated is not seen a manly so, yes sometimes people get turned into on when they imagine themselves as a girl getting penetrated
hahaha turning a guy into a woman is so nice ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
and what he says is just verbal abuse and some people get excited by it (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I must admit I said a similar line to a guy while I was fucking his ass (▰˘◡˘▰)
so yeah someone gets turned on by lines like this and it´s me ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I hate that "pussy" talk with a passion, too. I have the same objections. Why are they bringing women into it at all? When I read yaoi, I don't want to be reading about women's vaginas. It really grosses me out, and I don't know anyone who reads yaoi who likes it.
I like the sex A LOT!!! I like the art. I'm the last person who is going to enjoy the cross-dressing crap, but I can tolerate it from this mangaka
The scanlation group is inactive, they haven't released anything since april of last year, that's why there's been no updates. Hopefully some other group will pick it up.
ive noticed other works from author being translated and even starting.might one of those groups pick it up?i dont remember their other mangas being stalled like this.
I have to wonder how other yaoi mangaka's think of Yamane-sensei. No other yaoi mangaka gets the special treatment she does. Most mangaka constantly struggle meeting strict deadlines usually a chapter per month 30-40 pages. If they are just starting out they might not even have an assistant and even more accomplished mangaka are still doing majority of the work themselves with maybe 2-3 assistants at most. Anyone who has ever attempted to seriously make a comic or manga knows how time-consuming and difficult it is. Your typical mangaka pulls many all-nighters to finish because not making the deadline is not an option, if you miss it even once you can easily lose your publishing spot in the magazine.
But just because Yamane-sensei is so popular she can have months to work on a single chapter that's only a few pages long, and even then often she'll miss her original deadline and it'll be pushed back further seemingly without any consequence. She also has published clearly unfinished work that has parts that aren't even inked or screentoned, just sketches. The quality of the finished art has noticably declined whether because she hasn't put in the same effort she used to or possibly because it's drawn by assistants. She drags two manga that ran out of plot ages ago on and on endlessly, to the point where no one can follow what's going on in them anymore and it is blatantly obvious that she is just making it up as it goes along. I can only imagine what a headache working with her must be for her assistants, editors, and magazine publishers. Maybe she doesn't ask for "star" treatment, but she clearly recieves it regardless and she must be aware of it.
Before you downvote me, please consider the budding struggling yaoi mangaka who actually can make their deadlines and produce quality work that might have gotten Yamane-sensei's spot in the magazine instead. Every time Yamane-sensei puts out another half-finished half-baked 6 page chapter, is a time when a new fresh face could've graced the BL world instead. I have a great respect for the past contributions that Yamane-sensei made to BL genre as a whole. It is undeniable that her work has had a great influence on the genre. In it's day Viewfinder was innovative and Crimson Spell is still a rare breed in BL with it's rich fantasy setting. I have reread the early parts of them many times. But it's hard for me to continue to respect her with her current highly unprofessional work ethic. She needs to put these two series to rest already and maybe take a long vaction before starting on anything else (and next time plan it out from beginning to end with a few volumes at most). Or even retire if she truly no longer enjoys doing manga.
I'm sorry for the long rant. I know I'm going to get hate for this but whatever, I've been wanting to say this for months. I'm studying to be a comic artist myself, so it's a bit personal for me. I know many don't care and enjoy her work anyways and that's fine.
To be fair she had to work her ass off to get to where she is now. She debuted in 1995 and from what I can tell her postponing and monthly updates have only started recently. I think she deserves a little break. Just my opinion though. I think it’s hard for mangagkas to make a living in general due to websites like mangago that give away manga for free (hypocrital for me to talk about though I try and buy what I can at bookstores with my broke ass) I mean if you look on Baka updates she is currently working on/or finished writing 27 books since 1995 that’s more than a book a year which is quite Impressive in my opinion. Just my take on it. I don’t really know how other magakas would feel about her situation though. Maybe they would be upset? Maybe they would be proud of her for becoming such a big name? Who knows, it probably depends on the mangaka.
Also I could be wrong about it only happening recently, I don’t tend to keep track of updates. Also I believe that she is currently working on other novels along with this one so updates could be seen as more scattered due to that. I’m not that big of a fan of Yamane Ayano and don’t keep track of her current work so I could also be wrong about that.
Yeah, I know she had to work very hard to get where she is. As I said, I really respect the impact she had on BL and it's undeniable that her works helped grow the genre a lot. And I'm not saying that more successful mangaka shouldn't get ANY special treatment, just that what she gets is way too much.
Free manga sites don't really have an impact on her sales, the majority of her sales are in Japan and always have been, and these sites are obviously not for Japanese readers. There's much less manga pirating in Japan. And even if it was an issue, it affects all mangaka not just her, so not much of an excuse.
I agree that she deserves a break, but she's basically been getting one for years now. I mean I can't imagine it actually takes her that long to complete 6 pages in 4 months. I don't think the majority of that time is spent working on it, she's obviously doing other things. But I get that that's not really a complete break, which is why I think she should just hurry and finish these two mangas already and take a real complete no manga at all break, then come back with something fresh and new. At this point both stories are outdated in terms of current genre trends and both have plots going nowhere, so it shouldn't be too difficult to just decide to end them in a few chapters. Even most fans seem to want that at this point. She went from finishing 25 books in about 10 years to now not actually finishing a manga in well over a decade. I know I wouldn't want to write the same story for that long. I'm sure it's a large part of why she seems to struggle so much with the plot and length of chapters. She's probably just not that interested in them anymore. Maybe the editors pressure her to keep them going idk (that does happen with Shounen a lot). But with BL there's usually an expectation of shortness, a few volumes at most, there aren't many long running series. I'm sure anything she puts out after these manga will be just as successful.
I don’t know, maybe something is going on behind the scenes that’s making it take a while for her to let out content?
I guess no one can truly know why she’s taking so long except for her, herself.
I’m sure that she has her reasons for dragging out the manga or taking forever to release content. Maybe she is in a horrid slump and is trying to find a way to end the series?
I don’t necessarily think it’s special treatment seeing how she has build her career and is now financially stable enough to take her weird patchy hiatuses. Like we both agree on, she’s worked her ass off to get to this point. I’m sure she doesn’t need an editor breathing down her neck because she’s able to support herself without having to release manga like a photo copy machiene, unlike most mangakas. I’m sure there are plenty of mangakas with a big platform that are able to release manga like a snail because they’ve built up there fan base and mangas. I don’t think it’s special treatment necessarily because she’s the one who set the stones and built that platform. It’s not like she’s getting handouts, it’s just like if a singer were to realease a 5 albums within 6 years but then after that they decide to only release 1 one minute song every 4 months. I think it’s her choice to do and is understandable. It’s just a personal opinion though. I would be interested in knowing if she’s personally addressed this issue herself though, or just ignored her fans.
I agree about how long the update takes and the low number of pages but the plot isnt meaningless, i am behind by like 5 chapters for finder and crimson spell so maybe the last ones were fucked up, idk. But so far it did make sense, but if you dont keep re-reading, ofc you will lose track and it will brd to understand.
I actually love this artist because she makes a story with interesting plot and so far there hasnt been some random shit only to keep the drama going (thinking of lezhin comics). The characters aren't realistic, they follow the fucked up ideology of yaoi world but the artist doesnt go overboard.
and i rather see the mangaka take breaks than ending the story too fast, leaving side characters without proper ending, leaving some stuff unfinish
When you do become a comic artist yourself and gain an understanding of the industry and how it works, I hope you will have the grace to apologize in some form. When you learn that not all artists have the same output, they're not machines, some of them need longer breaks than others, some of them have little control over when and how frequently their work is published, that the industry runs on profits and that if Yamane Ayano's work is profitable, they will continue to publish it and if they feel a new artist's work will be profitable, they will make room. Like how do you even know that isn't the case here? That Crimson Spell is only given six pages twice a year now because the publisher has decided to make room for newer artists? You don't know. So you are just talking a lot of shit about something you have no way of knowing, about someone who has worked undeniably hard and has helped make this industry what it is today. But like an entitled shit who is reading her work for free, you feel like you can make assumptions and shit all over her legacy. When you become a comic artist yourself and some new entitled young shit does the same to you, how will you feel?
I'm not sure how my comment warranted you calling me an entitled shit but whatever. You clearly don't know what you are talking about and know nothing about the manga industry. Go read Bakuman or one of the many other manga about being a mangaka out there. And I don't think mangaka are machines or should all have the same output. In fact I think most mangaka are way overworked and the lifestyle they are forced to live is often unhealthy and terrible. But there's a whole lot in between the typical mangaka and Yamane-sensei's output. I wouldn't care if she took 2-4 months to make a normal sized chapter. And it's not just the quantity but the story quality and art quality that has imo declined as well. I'd at least expect 6 really good pages if it took her 6 months to make them but that's not the case. It seems to me blatantly obvious that she no longer really enjoys drawing her current series anymore. Which is why I think she should maybe finish them (even if it's rushed ending I don't care) and take a long break before starting anew. It's possible that her editor is pushing her to continue the series, but I doubt it with series as sporadically released as these it wouldn't make much sense from a sales perspective. Also I own most of her works legally when they become available. I'm only here to read them in advance.
Well I'm completely sick of Miyamoto Kano's manga, never reading one of her's ever again. I don't know why I suffered through them up until this point. I can't believe I've heard so much praise for her work and the Rules universe in particular. Realistic gay love my ass. Everyone's bi/straight, everyone's in love with everyone else, everyone cheats on everyone else with everyone else. Am I really surprised Yuki cheated? No not really, it's not like it's his first time. He cheated with Atori early on in their relationship. Sure they weren't in a serious relationship then, but it just shows how fickle Yuki and every other character is. This is not realism guys. Just because a mangaka includes lots of cheating and goes against the typical fairytale like romance doesn't make it realistic. Some people in real life are this fickle, SOME, it doesn't make sense to have every character be like this, most people are not cheaters. And Hikaru is really no better, he's cheated before too, so I don't feel that bad for him. No one in this mangaka's work really deserves happiness if you ask me.
hate to break it to you, but in the gay community, a large percentage of men cheat, and are non-exclusive. they may have a main partner. but a lot of them stray quite often. that's where the "real" bit comes in.
Oh gosh. I agreed.
Hate to break it to you sweetheart..but in the gay community there are also monogamous gays and here might be a large percentage of gay guys who are in non monogamous relationships....there is huuuge difference between consensual non monogamy and cheating.
Hail preach....i felt exactly the same.....her works sucks ....everyone likes everyone everyone one calls each other homo while thinking being bisexual is not to be juxtaposed with homosexuality...everyone are just so selfish
I had faith in hikaru though
This is not even close to realistic portrayal of relationship
When hikaru cheated???
Moegi Yuu's artwork has gotten so much worse now compared to this. Usually a mangaka's proportions get better over time, but here the necks and heads are normal sized, but in her newer works the heads are so tiny I have to go through her works quickly for it not to bother me.
I think her artwork improves and that's what she prefers now. It's hard to draw you know
I'm a professional artist, but I don't think it's all that "hard" to draw, because I've been doing it so long as I imagine Moegi Yuu has also. It's her job and she's been doing it for over a decade, she should know what she's doing by now. Granted she's definitely improved in some areas, her current artwork is more fluid, cleaner, and more detailed. I'm guessing it was a purposeful choice on her part to further exaggerate proportions, particularly with the neck, head, shoulders, and hands but it's a bizarre choice because it's one of the things people complain about most with older BL artwork (where it usually wasn't a deliberate choice on the artist, but more because many early BL artists had no formal training). She's also terribly inconsistent with the proportions now. Although I may not find the way she does it appealing, there's nothing inherently wrong with non-realistic proportions, but they should be consistent.
If you are not much of an artist yourself you might not see what I'm talking about, but anyone who is will likely be bothered by her newer artwork after looking at it for more than 2 seconds.
Examples:
http://iweb9.mangapicgallery.com/r/newpiclink/kami_sama_no_iutoori_moegi_yuu/2/69e71e1aed23292a8c8226c4afe9bdd6.jpeg (giant hands and giant giraffe neck in top right panel)
http://iweb6.mangapicgallery.com/imgfiles/kami_sama_no_iutoori_moegi_yuu/3/014.png (2nd row left panel, the head to length of body shoulder to shoulder realistically is 1:3, here it's like 1:6)
Those are just two examples, but there problems everywhere. Oddly enough it's really only the seme's (or at least the tall characters). The ukes/normal height characters look fine most of the time and more like her old style, but the tall ones look like they have Marfan syndrome. (which is surely unintentional but given their freakish heights, makes some sense)
someone's head is in their ass...
Rereading this series I have a greater appreciation for Tanaka-sensei's storytelling abilities. I'm used to yaoi spoonfeeding information to us such that I don't expect to have to pay attention to the subtleties in the art and panels to the extent I might with other media. But I realize sensei actually does keep a lot of things more subtle and expects the reader to pay attention and deduce things on their own without being directly told. Like in Azami it's not shown directly that Kan is orally (and possibly further than that) sexually assaulted by his boss but it's very much implied. And here with 5.5 the extra with Yumi and Mayama it's not directly stated or shown, but based on context it's pretty obvious Yumi's mother hung herself right in their home and Yumi found her body (how fucking awful of her tbh, like at least have the decency to kill herself where her young son wouldn't be the one to find her and especially to do that after telling her son they weren't pitiful and that he would have to protect her, way to scar him for life). And it's not entirely clear what happened to his father, but it seems maybe he killed himself too, with the way they talk about him at the funeral. Those little scenes explain so much about Yumi's character and why he stayed with Kan-chan so long. And it makes me want another Yumi story, I think he still has a lot of issues that he needs to work out which are not really related to Kan at all.