IrisaAurora's Topics (126)

I'm 100% a Joowon stan but I waould never make excuses for the Lopez brothers or Bryce Hall

1. I don't even know who these boys are.
2. Mixing someone's fictional tastes with real life...?

Exactly!

Who the hell are they?

If you don’t support it in real life, why would you support it fictionally??

It's logic on the level that people enjoying serial killers characters support them irl? Or that people who enjoy games with killing support, enjoy killing irl?
Also idk what you mean by making excuses. Many Joowon's fans recognize and speak about his mistakes and wrongdoings but also can appreciate that he is slowly changing and reflecting on his actions.
But by judging by your previous comments we have very different view on his character.
So I guess this discussion is kinda pointless.

gonna pretend like you didn’t actually just ask that

Oh I remember you. Here’s my problem, you guys have supported Joowoo even when he was the most toxic character in the book- y’all defended that. Second thing you guys will forgive him for doing the bare minimum. He gave a disappointing apology and you guys will write that like it’s the universe. Similar to the Lopez brothers stans that will say their apologize for saying the N-word was enough when it wasn’t. There’s a difference between enjoyment and defense. If you’re defending something you’re indirectly supporting it. Why the fuck would you defend a serial killer?

How are we defending him? I always recognized the fact that he MADE mistakes. But sorry I don't see him as you once said the guy (simplistic abuser) without ANY redeeming qualities.

Also your OP is not related to the story in the slightest.

You guys will recognize and still defend his mistakes . Is he still an abuser? He doesn’t really have anyone to abuse anymore so idk we’ll see. I still don’t think he an any redeeming qualities tho. If you do pls tell me, I’m running blank

just stop. do you not hear yourself at all? why is it YOUR problem what strangers on the internet do with fiction? even if people defend him, who gives a crap. he’s not real.

so stop gaslighting. stop guilt tripping. stop trying to villainize real people over fiction. get off your high horse. you’re not morally superior because you like mop head. unless you enjoy being pretentious, because in that case, continue.

+ i don’t even know who any of those people are. they look like tiktok stars so i’m guessing you’re too young to be here anyways.

Like who are you all. Are these generalisations needed?

Also if for you giving some context means automatically defending than it's not really my problem. Because I always emphasized what he did at times was wrong. It was simply wrong and there are no questions about that.

Like literally what's the point of this post?

Imagine getting triggered by people favouring fictional characters. You're out of meds or what

exactly. like now we’re gonna drag political correctness to an illegal pirating comic site? okay.

So like why are you not even commenting on my post tho?! Don’t y’all got other shit to do like keep it pushing.

"Mop head" lmaooo. Lavender pls marry me

I said what I said and meant it. If you don’t like it, leave a dislike and go cry about it

Like I get that it was a post created to get off on how we are in the wrong and toxic people not only our fictional tastes but probably we are the same way in the real life...
But like... It's not manga related. And just pointless to start the argument just to make others feel bad about themselves.
Sigh
Especially as you said many things are actually up for debate in the story. It's not so black and white as many would like it to be....

Hmm I guess that’s a good point. Tony Lopez dates underaged girls and I definitely don’t support that, like how I don’t support pedophelia I’m real life or in fiction. I am a Joowon supported because I like him. He is not a pedo and I don’t see why you would link Tony lopez/ Bryce hall to this. Thank you

Kid just go back to tiktok it's obvious you dont understand the characters or read the story nor do you have the mental capacity to not conflate fiction from reality

Not you assuming my age, how disgusting. Look at you coming late to the party and thinking you got the right to say something. The party is over, you’re dismissed. Chile, anyways

Explain how joowon is the most toxic character in the book?

Hmm makes me wonder if youve really read it

You're the one whose disgusting, judging real people over a fictional character really? Grow up lmao

This is why i cant help but wonder about some taku stans mental capacity

OML. You have literally started a whole fight. This story is not a political debate, it's just a fucking manhwa. Stop making it seem like something so huge. Calm your tits.

Can you not read? The conversation is over and you’re too irrelevant to start it up again. I said what I said and meant it. Do you have nothing better to do than to comment on a dead thread? You Joowoo stans are awfully sad and so pressed over a single comment. If you really that hurt by my post, go cry about it.

And you. Why are you still under my post? I ignored you for a reason. Go find something more productive to do with your life.

Lmao bitch what you do not tell people to do something productive with their lives if this is the type of shit you do with yours

Says the hoe who is still under someone else’s post! I am getting these notifications that are annoying as hell because y’all still pressed over a comment hours later. Like go. Leave my post alone and live a fucking life

Awww lil' Miss Bitch is being fussy now that she can't handle people attacking them for the dumb shit she started in the first place. You see, that's not how the world works, honey. You say shit about others, you better expect that they're going to respond aggressively. Don't expect peace after you go look for conflict yourself. Also you do know that the mute button exists for a reason right? You don't wanna see people rightly call you out for your clownery? Hit the damn button and be on your merry way.

Now go take your meds.

Say's the one who is having a whole ass fight with strangers on the internet. Make it make sense bitch.

A fight I am trying to fucking end but Joowoo stans cannot not understand where they are wholly unwelcomed and unwanted.

I don’t care why a Joowoo Stan is doing anything. Like look a the guy you support, you’re priorities clearly need to be elsewhere, especially if you would support him in real life. If you’re that hurt over my comment, go cry about. I would never listen to a Joowoo stan so I don’t know why so many of you are persistently desperate but it’s not a good look. Go do something else with you’re life.

Joowon stan this, Joowon stan that. The fact that you'd never listen to someone just because they have different interpretation and pov speaks volumes.

Also grouping the whole bunch of people together, generalisations, offending them, mixing real life with fiction, looking down at others and the superiority vibes. Yikes.
Also sorry who started the whole thing. Like you are the one who created the post just to offend other people. Purposefully created provocative comment which is not story related. And now act as if people who replied were the problem. Not you or your post.

Seriously I recommend rethinking your behaviour because liking fictional character with flaws is not so unhealthy but judging, belittling and making people feel bad about themselves? Projecting their tastes on real life issues? Rather toxic if you'd ask me.

Still have a nice day.

Wow I must applaud Joowoo stans for being so stupid that they can’t even tell when someone is nicely telling them to shut up. I muted this conversation hours but I am still getting notifications for the stupidest people it seems. You’re unwelcomed and unwanted here yet you guys continue to put so much effort as if anyone cares. Since you you clearly lack the comprehension capabilities, let me simply tell you I will never listen to what a Joowoo stan has to say. Therefore, I don’t give a shit about making peace and I don’t give a shit about what you got to say. Y’all have made this is a stupid and pointless conversation now. Please go find a life. Yours is looking awfully sad right now.

Another person with no life continuing to entering themselves in a dead thread. I didn’t even read what you wrote because it’s that irrelevant. Maybe go spend time not having a life somewhere else?

Lmao apparently in your book calling people a "hoe" is a polite way to tell people to keep silence, huh.

For your own good in the future, do mind what I said earlier, that if you pick a fight with people, they will fight back so telling them that they're unwelcomed is irrelevant to them because, bitch, you offend them so now they come after you. You bite people, they bite back. Basic logic. There are consequences to your actions and you should now this already if you really aren't a 12 year old like you deny you are. And no, we're not the ones who made this a pointless convo but you did because, um, remind me who made a post to slander people again? Also pls stop telling people they have a sad life because it gives away too much that you're just projecting how your own life is.

Now all that said, bye Felicia.

not only joowons apology but also their entire conversation was such a disappointment.

i see what you’re saying and I’d agree with you IF the author had made this her clear intention. had she shown happier moments of haesoo with taku, and if she didn’t reveal taku to be just as possessive and irrational at times [as joowon] but instead made him a true breath of fresh air, meaning no similar qualities at all to joowon—then i’d think yeah, taku is refreshing and good for haesoo.

But the thing is, she’s currently making him VERY similar to joowon: buying a ring being the latest example. they’re basically parallels at this point.

also, haesoo’s currently losing weight. instead of doing anything to actually develop the idea that taku is a positive change for haesoo, youngha went out of her way to show that things aren’t as perfect as they seem.

your observations are so good @lavender

Firstly, if you think I went to college and the whole experience was nothing but joy, you’re wrong. I’ve cried, I’ve been angry, I’ve gotten in trouble, I’ve gotten scared. It’s been a variety of emotions/experiences, but as a whole, I’ve been much happier,

Secondly, I think the author made it extremely clear that Taku represents change/difference by giving him the complete opposite personality of Joowoo. This made Haesoo and Taku’s relationship completely different and new, right? It was change for Haesoo. Even in your example it shows that Joowoo and Taku have completely different ways of expressing the same emotion, which again is a change for Haesoo. And again, Taku isn’t that special. Of course he’s going to expressed similar emotions that Joowoo did (largely because of the circumstances but those are also just emotions you express in a relationship). However, the way he expresses his emotions is completely different and unique but more importantly new to Haesoo.

You pointed out that Haesoo is losing weight. That doesn’t take away from the fact that he is going to through such a positive character development it is unbelievable. This used to be the guy that likes to lie for no reason. In like the last five chapters he has been so brutally honest I am thriving. This used to be the man that would literally run from responsibility... did you see him boss up and be like I gotta handle this shit. This used to be the man that would have an emotional seizure every time Joowoo was near him... did you see how calmly and maturely he addressed Joowon (while Joowoo was a mess). I hate to say it, but I don’t know who this man is. I don’t even like Haesoo but he is literally the only adult in this series rn. Haesoo?! If that’s not on growth and maturity, I don’t know what is. And we can really only credit that to Taku come in his life and changing shit up.

for sure haesoo has changed but to credit that all to taku’s mere existence is a but...much. undermining almost. all taku did was give him insight to how “normal” relationships worked, which then went towards his analyzing of his past relationship with joowon.

and yes, she initially gave them opposite personalities, but my point was that as the story went on, it became clear that taku is more like joowon than we would originally thought. hence, actually not that refreshing. different, sure...but losing weight signifies that he’s simply not happy with this ‘different’. it’s hard to take unnatural weight loss as a positive sign.

also, i’m not sure if you’ve read the raws yet but haesoo is most definitely not the only one who grew nor the only adult. Joowon spends the next chapters apologizing and letting haesoo go (yet again) then taking responsibility for his actions.

the only one who’s remained stagnant at this point is Taku. so while he’s a change of face externally, joowon had far more change internally. personally, i think new joowon could have far more impact on haesoo if executed correctly.

+ the author didn’t write taku to be a foil of joowon. haesoo actually sees a past version of himself in taku and almost pities him as a result.

As always I agree with you Hun

Tbh you mostly focus on Haesoo who imo is acting very calmly in their relationship, even kind of emotionless because he is not hyper emotionally invested in the relationship.
Him wanting the break from his relationship with Joowon, trying something new is definitely a character development. He wanted to end the relationship which has stayed in the same place for so many years
(Although about Haesoo lying... He for example tried to avoid saying that he is going to get involved in Joowon's matters during the phone call).

Spoilers
Him (H) recognizing his own faults (in future chapters) is also a big progress.

End of spoiler.

But as lavender said loosing weight... Is not a good symptom. He doesn't look happy either.

And what's even more important are imo Taku's changes...which are in this case kinda on the worse. Yes the positive is that he started expressing himself, his emotions more.
But... He started getting more posessive, jealous and insecure. More pushful. He is starting to act more and more similar to Joowon from the past.

Spoiler
And the analogy with rings also speaks volumes.

Meanwhile Joowon has started to change for some time now. He started maturing. Reflecting on his actions, apologising for the mistakes. What's even more important he let Haesoo go.

End of spoiler

Also the way they got in the relationship... Where Haesoo wasn't definitely ready and Taku begged him... isn't such a good way to start relationship either.

I understand your pov but as lavender said I don't think it's the case in the story.

For the worse*

If you don’t credit Haesoo’s character development to Taku coming in his life, I don’t know what other reason there could possibly be. Joowoo and Haesoo was playing their game for years! If either of them was going to change, it should’ve already happened but it didn’t until Taku came. And I don’t think he showed him what a normal relationship is like because they didn’t have a normal relationship. I think Taku showed Haesoo something different and new and that causes Haesoo to change.

My point was that they aren’t alike at all. Sure they expressed similar emotions but they expressed them in different ways. I get possessive as hell over my boyfriend, but that doesn’t make me parallel to Joowoo. To this day they still have opposite personalities. Even if it was just in the beginning that was enough to change Haesoo, so it did it’s job as a plot device. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of stress eating but it’s when you gain weight unhealthily. I don’t think losing weight is the ultimate sign that he is sad. Naturally losing weight can be healthy.

I don’t read the raws and I don’t trust what people say about the raws because it’s usually different when it actually comes out. As it stands for this discussion, Joowoo said one overdue word after years and hasn’t took responsibility for his actions. Considering how emotional he’s been these past few chapters, I would not say he’s an adult. I’m sure he’s going through a lot right now but his attitude towards his job, company, and manager even though they’re dealing with his shit is beyond unprofessional. Also apologizing doesn’t make you an adult, kids say sorry. Actions speak louder than words. Joowoo actions from here on out will show if he’s grown or not. Not him saying a few words. I gave Haesoo this pressure too. They are both coming from a bad place, we need chapters beyond chapters to really see their growth.

Taku has change so much. You’re probably bias so you haven’t noticed, but as a Taku fan he has change so much I am still deciding if it’s good or bad. Also Taku doesn’t need to change, you realize that right? Like he wasn’t the one in a 9-year toxic relationship. To him, he’s just starting a new relationship so there’s no reason for him to drastically change.

I said this is my first post you can try to change something that’s ruined but the history is still there. The impact has lasted, the scars won’t feed, and you can’t change the past.

Hey I see your comment, but there’s a lot to unpack that I don’t have time for. And I didn’t read like half your post because it was spoilers. I don’t trust spoilers. They are usually wrong or inaccurate. So I see your post but I am not gonna respond, sorry!

Of course you can't change the past but you can learn from it. They both are changing so if they would enter the relationship again (J&H) they wouldn't be the same people and they also would learn from the past mistakes so at least they would try not to repeat them.

I base my spoilers on few translators and they are very accurate.

Tbh I can't agree with "Naturally losing weight can be healthy". We are talking about person who was always very slim. Now probably Haesoo is underweight.

Oh and I think lavender meant to say that Taku's behaviour towards Haesoo is starting to remind Jooown's from the past. And we are talking about negative aspects.

They can be different people but that doesn’t mean their past actions disappear. Their lying for instance. They use to lie to each other so much that they automatically didn’t believe the things they were saying. Imagine trying to trust and believe someone that always used to lie to you. Not only is that unhealthy for a relationship but it’s super stressful for a person always trying to see what’s true or not.

I don’t know your translators and they are not the official translators so I don’t trust them.

I lost weight when I went to college. Not because I decided to go to the gym but because I was eating healthier, I was more at active, and I was happy. I don’t think people really what it’s like to get out of a toxic environment and, not even being happy, but just being relieved can do so much to your mental, physical, and emotional being. Also this is a one off thing his mom said. Like I don’t know why y’all are taking this as the Lord’s word lol

Of course their past problems won't magically dissaper or them being unsure about some things but Imo it's not something you absolutely can't overcome. Especially if they would finally start communicating and speaking their minds out.

I think the context of Haesoo's weight (who as I said was already very thin person before) is different than you imply.
In his case gaining some weight would be much more logical choice if the author would have wanted to emphasize Haesoo is relieved and getting better.
Like I believe it wasn't some random thing. Imo the subject was intentionally brought up.

.....but it’s heavily implied that haesoo’s weight loss is not natural and therefore not healthy. his mom, one who despite their fights still knows her son best, straight up tells him: “You’ve lost weight. You don’t look well.” I do wish you’d stop trying to put a positive twist on a pretty serious issue in real life.

it’s still undermining to credit haesoo’s personal growth to a man that just has a crush on him. like I said, the most he did was teach him the basics of a relationship. then haesoo proceeded to use this to reflect on his past with joowon.

pardon my french but taku didn’t do shit for haesoo. he even recognizes it himself when he admits that he’s been selfish in this relationship. i’ll give him credit for that. if it wasn’t clear enough how little he really knows haesoo, the recent chapter where he can’t comprehend why joowon’s scandal is so important to him speaks wonders.

i’m sorry, but one of my biggest pet peeves is when people have a savior complex towards taku. in your original post you mentioned external problems like your household. the thing is, haesoo’s situation was never like that. haesoo’s problem was never solely his relationship with joowon. it’s purely internal now: lingering feelings, self doubt, jealousy and guilt.

in short, you can go to college to escape your home life, but not yourself. Haesoo can trial date Taku if he wants, it but only does so much for him.

and until i see taku do anything to help resolve ANY of this for haesoo, I’ll continue to see him as a bed warmer.

p.s. about characterization: kids can say sorry too but how many of them actually have genuine intent behind them? same goes for adults. it’s “one word” but Joowon’s actions speak volumes louder. it’s never just been the “sorry”.

and just because taku just started a relationship doesn’t mean there’s no room left for him to grow. sis, being new at love has never given anyone an excuse for dubious consent, possessiveness, etc. i mean, ffs people slam on 17 yr old kid joowon for being bad at first love, maybe keep up that same attitude towards 24 yr old taku?

Lol I forgot that "You've lost weight" was followed by "You don't look well". Now what are we even discussing.
As always lovely post with great points.

I get that they can definitely overcome it, however the other person said Joowoo changing is better than a fresh start with Taku, which is completely wrong. That’s like comparing freshly painted stairs to an elevator. It’s an uphill battle with Joowoo and, given their past, an exhausting and stressful one.

But that’s also something parents just say. Every time I come back from college my mom has something to say about my appearance even though I look at the same as 3 months ago. We clearly have different interpretations of what that means. The only person with at can correct us is the author so I see no point in further discussing this.

You know what gets me is that you’re highlighting this one off, despite many pieces of evidence I’ve given you showing positive character development and growth in Haesoo. His mom that’s always been very selfish and her care for her son. So let me get this straight you are saying the Haesoo that was manipulative, a liar, cheater, toxic, and just had so many negative qualities was healthy?!

No I totally credit Haesoo’s growth to himself. Not was it beyond what I ever expected of him, but also pretty brave. However you cannot not give Taku some credit for lighting shit up! Again they didn’t even have a normal relationship, where are getting this idea that Taku taught him basics of relationships. Haesoo has had relationships before and Taku is assumed to be shit at them.

I have repeatedly said Taku isn’t it anything special. What savior complex did I ever give this man? I just said he was change. I’ve also said that Taku and Haesoo wasn’t that deep, kinda empty. Yeah they just met each other kinda expected that. Also what do y’all want for Taku? For him to be a knight in shining armor? He was himself to Haesoo and that was enough to start drastic growth in Haesoo.

When you look at all of Haesoo problems you have to ask yourself but where the hell did they come from? Its not all credited to the relationship, but it’s mostly the relationship. It’s been a nine year relationship they started this since they were kids. They have developed and grown in a toxic environment so it’s only obvious that they pick up toxic traits. My household was not some external nonfactor, it was my environment. I lived, sleep, and breathe that place. It’s how I grew up and 110% a huge factor in how I am today. Escaping that environment has allowed me grow beyond what I knew in that place.
You say a trial date would do nothing, but Haesoo has already changed so much.

Why does Taku need to do anything to resolve a problem that has nothing to with him. Also being a partner does not equate to being a life saver. Just being there for Haesoo is enough and he tried to be.

I always found it really funny that people are praising Joowoo for saying sorry when kids literally do the same thing, with a lot less resistance and hesitance. The fact that you believe kids cannot be genuinely remorse says a lot.

Again Taku has grown just not as drastically. I keep the same energy with Taku. His is shit at relationships, we know this, and he has said it this is his first time ever being truly in love, so he has some learning to do. But let’s not pretend the few months Taku has had compares to the 9 years of an absolute shit show that was Joowoo.

It’s still trips me up that you guys are trying so hard to convince me that the one person who arguably haven’t seen Haesoo in a healthy state, if at all, in years, because she has actively contributed to the detriment of his health, is the person I should be believing. The woman but he actively tries to avoid. The woman who is definitely a reason for why he needs to go to therapy. Chile, anyways

No one is saying that the way Haesoo was before was healthy. We are just trying to point that his relationship with Taku (and breaking things off with Joowon) also put weight on him. And he doesn't look so happy with his life.
It is even mirrored in his external appearance.

There are rather many points that him loosing weight is portrayed in negative light...and you dodge every argument and support your point of view with your own personal experiences. So kinda???
Like it literally doesn't make bigger sense to me to portray this scene the way it is if author wanted to emphasize how Haesoo is all happy with his current lifestyle. You are imo doing a real mental gymnastic with this scene so it would match your narrative.

Tbh I have to say I'm not sure about the point of sharing personal experiences in our discussion? It kinda reminds me of anecdotal evidence.

"The fact that you believe kids cannot be genuinely remorse says a lot."
She literally didn't say that...?

"He was himself to Haesoo" - was he? He thought himself that he said to Haesoo what he desperately wanted to hear in the past.

And yes the relationship with Taku has just started and little red flags are appearing already here and there. You are right it's hard to compare the relationship with officially a month probation...maybe a little bit more with all negatives collected over years. Nearly a decade.

Although it's hard to tell how long H&J had their relationship. We don't know how many years past between their parents splitting up and they meeting again.
Still it's a much longer period.

Them*

Passed*

.....what

So this is where you comprehension cuts off? Nice. Let’s just end this. I don’t know what it is about you Joowoo fans but even when he’s not in the post you guys come screeching at me.

I am doing mental gymnastics with this scene? This was a one off thing said by his mom and you guys are taking it as the ultimate representation that he is so unhappy with his life. I get that you guys are trying to say his relationship with Taku isn’t that good. However his growth, confidence, and maturity has shown him to be a much healthier person than he’s ever been throughout the series. His happiness? That is subjective. You don’t think he’s happy, I think he’s very happy. Next caller.

I think the author made it a very apparent Haesoo is in a better place. They gave him a glow up and made it so obviously in like the last five chapters.

You clicked on a post that had anecdotal evidence, what were you expecting?

She implied it.

Taku was more himself to Haesoo, than Haesoo was to Taku so.

Yeah Taku has some learning to do. Moving on. What I really like is Haesoo putting him in his place. I think they’ll have a good relationship.

So I’m quite exhausted by this back-and-forth and it’s quite obvious that we’re not gonna change each other‘s minds so I think we should in the conversation here. I’m not gonna respond to any other replies after this. Great discussion tho.

I think there are more hints that suggest he is not happy beside the scene with his mum. It was just another one which was very noticeable.

I just hoped we won't come back to personal experiences in next responses I guess.

Have a nice day!

Ikr. I was thinking, thank you for the early upload but no one was uploading yet cos the original uploader was waiting for atleast 3 days. Lol

Bitch let’s also talk about how their “dad” is making no fucking effort! He was so ready to not even try for their relationship