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nvm i just finished it (more like skimmed through it).
once you detach yourself from the story and see it as only smut, it's manageable.

How is being raped cheating?!

1. When you didn't do anything to get out of the situation or even show any signs of resistance to the act..

Meaning...
When you enjoyed it.

you can shout all you want that it is rape(sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent)
BUT
when you didn't resist and let yourself feel good instead of disgust and apprehension..
that counts as giving "TACIT" approval to the deed..
thus,
it stops being "rape"

and therefore, counted as cheating.

2. When the supposed rape happens "more than once"

3. When you still came..got turned on,, got hard.. name it whatever.. don't answer me that it is physiological reaction.. if it is "rape" you'll remain placid because it is disgusting to be taken against your will.. so coming because of external stimulus, except when drugged is also giving "TACIT" approval

4. Most importantly, upon realizing the 3 points listed above, you kept it a secret to your lover..

If that didn't count as cheating.. you should check your morals.. maybe your lustful idiot who could get hard with anyone without needing romance..

Oh, and stop bringing your own definition and feelings about the matter(rape) and start preaching here with your logic.. because it makes you look stupid...

because,
one, you are reading yaoi.
two, you are reading manga,
three, just in case you still won't get my point, you are reading a yaoi manga..A genre of fictional media.. again FICTIONAL..

PEOPLE WON'T NORMALLY COME TO A YAOI MANGA SITE, and ACTUALLY BE EXPECTED TO APPLY NORMAL LOGIC..

so, you, my dear are preaching on deaf ears.. making you the funny man, talking to a wood expecting it to agree.. cause you see, where here to submerge to the yaoi world and not pick on it..

UNLESS, you are part of the MINORITY who come to yaoi manga sites to pick on grammars of translators, bully the readers who likes certain genre, pick on the artists/authors style, plot & story elements(e.g. rape, Stockholm,etc.) and debate and preach righteousness and justice.. in short being an asshole.. (btw, these trolls are coming in droves, recently... youths, ah!!)

well, basically what you just did(bring REAL LIFE situations while reading FICTION..) raining on the reader's parade..


and yeah, before you attack me with "freedom of speech" and "right to express your feelings".. i want to remind you that you just preach about the people commenting here, so you don't get the right to step in and arm yourself with "freedom" defense..that will make you really funny..

you, get my drift, dear..??

And if all of your instances apply to a woman? If you're saying that a woman in all those instances is as much of a cheating whore as Ichiya is a cheating bastard then I will agree.

Oh, and do you have a hat?



Go fuck it.

Completely agree (Y)

hold on a second here...I may not be a man and all but even so if a person doesn't want it its classified as rape.
it doesn't stop the person who is raping them from stimulating there body which is a normal reaction to any human from reacting and feeling ecstasy but it doesn't mean their heart does even if they feel the pleasure it doesn't mean they like it in the true sense of making love is supposed to be like between a couple! so its rape either way! if the person said no but was forced its still classified as rape even if they come from the person who is doing them against their will since their body is feeling it not their heart! and HE NEVER CONSENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE SO HE NEVER CHEATED!


phew sorry if I offended anyone I just had to get that off my chest! also I think the reason he never told him is because he didn't want to make him worry.

You're exactly right. Just because a person orgasms doesn't mean that it's not rape. It just means that the body is doing what it's designed to do. That goes for both men and women. Anyway, judging from the comments, I think I'm going to give this manga a pass.

the first one is very debatable, though i'm leaning more on cheating.

the other times however were clearly rape.

but eh it's kinda pointless to argue about it since this really just boils down to senseless smut.

Honestly, it has been a dogs age since I read this manga. However, if I remember correctly, the principal's little boy toy mounted the protagonist after drugging him - maybe I'm off on the drugging, now that I say it. Regardless, he is mounted against his will and ends up giving into the pleasure. Hmm, so if a girl has an orgasm while being raped, she wasn't raped? This is where I have a problem with commentators. They'd NEVER say that about a woman, but because It's a guy, somehow, It's different and okay to blame him for being raped. But you're absolutely right about one thing... this is erotic fiction. The grown ups here take this kind of thing with the grain of salt it is meant to be taken with. It's all just a sexual fantasy drawn out in manga form. Nothing more, nothing less.

the first time was when the glasses guy sucked the mc while his lover was calling him. he wasn't bound, blackmailed, drugged or anything, and he also clearly has enough strength to resist him. but he didn't. that's why i said i was leaning more on cheating than rape.

i agree that afterwards it was already rape. also, i don't think the comparison with a girl would really efficiently work. after all, most readers here may not have even read stories that had girls raped, and for all we know, they've only encountered fictional rape in yaoi. it's all hypothetical anyways, though i think that they'd be more vocal about it if was indeed a girl being raped.

Ah, as I said, It's been a dogs age since I read it and I have no desire to put myself through it again. So, I can't refute my mistake.

I'm not sure how reading about rape in manga would limit a person from being able to see a man being raped and a woman being raped as both being rape equally. You don't have to read about rape, whether male or female, to know it is both a crime and just morally wrong. That is kind of a given in most civilized societies. Even in places where rape is somewhat more overlooked than in others, it is still considered wrong. I'm not a "yaoi rape" hater either. In fact, I'm very much into BDSM and rape play, personally. What got my knickers in a twist was that commentators called a rape victim a cheater. I'm also a rape survivor and a former rape and sexual assault counselor. So, I'm sure that has a lot to do with my indignation. I've been a victim of forced oral sex as well - my rapist liked head I guess - and I could have bitten his dick off to be completely honest. But after the way he beat the shit out of me for keeping my knees locked together, I was honestly scared to defy him again. Now, obviously, that wasn't the case in this manga as you've described it, but the Japanese are known for not wanting to offend others. Particularly those considered to be of higher rank or status. So, to me anyway, that is rape by abuse of authority. The rape in this manga didn't make me bat an eye. I couldn't care any less. Again, my knickers were in a twist because the commentators considered a rape victim a cheater. So not okay in my book. If your boss tells you he'll fire you from your extremely well paying job if you don't give him a blowjob, that is still rape/sexual assault. You may do it to save your job, but you aren't doing it because you like the guy or the taste of his dick. Sorry if I am a little vulgar there, but I don't know how else to put it. That is rape by abuse of power or authority. Sure, you may have got down on your knees and put him in your mouth, but you did it grudgingly and only because you were threatened. That still counts as sexual assault. So, even if Ichiya - I got that name from my own comment - did suck him off, but did it because he felt obligated (because of his position as a senpai), coerced with future benefits (like more freedom on campus)- remember, I have long forgotten the details of this hot mess of a manga - or threatened, then even bending over and taking him in his mouth is still sexual assault too. Your partner has to be as committed to carrying out the sex act as you are for it to not be rape or sexual assault. If there are any threats, coercion, false promises, or violence, the act is not considered consensual. In fact, since Ichiya had been intentionally abducted with the purpose of "retraining him" sexually ( I do remember that part), then any sex act carried out with him or on him is automatically against his will, by default.

Whoa, wait a second. I misread your first sentence. I thought you said Ichiya sucked off the glasses guy. My bad. Actually, that is DEFINITELY sexual assault. You can't take a man's penis in your mouth any more than you can take a woman's breast in your mouth if it is not consensual. The fact that he did not fight the glasses guy is irrelevant. If a woman has her vaginal area sucked on, or her breast sucked on, without her consent it is DEFINITELY considered sexual assault even if she did not put up resistance to it. The same applies to a man having his penis or nipples sucked. Especially if the person being sucked is abducted and held against their will by the person doing the sucking or other conspirators. Let me put it this way, if my husband of 23 years was abducted and held against his will by some crazy woman, or man, who sucked him off, I wouldn't consider him to have cheated on me. He would be a victim of rape/sexual assault. Even if he didn't resist. I'd honestly be glad that he didn't do anything that might have led his captor to injuring him or killing him.

hm true, it is indeed sexual assault rather than blatant cheating. i'm just bothered why he didn't resist when he clearly could, especially when he knew his boyfriend was on the phone. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Well, That's netorare for you! LOL Remember, we're discussing a poorly written smut manga here. It ranks only a hair's breadth above hentai and cuckholding is very popular in hentai... I know because I read that shit too. LOL This was never meant to be a lovey-dovey fluff manga. It's twisted af and is the romantic equivalent of porn. But I did get one good thing out of reading it though... I enjoyed the hell out of talking with you.

haha true, i also feel the same.
if not for me disassociating myself further from the story and seeing it as only smut, i don't think i would've finished reading this ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ

I know, Right?! By the end, I either had to just go with the smut flow and laugh or scoop my eyes out with a rusty spoon!

I don't want to seem like I'm harping on the subject, but I want to take back my statement about "reading about rape shouldn't affect whether or not people equate male rape and female rape as wrong". I think, perhaps, if male rape was discussed more it would be seen as just as heinous as the rape of a female. As it stands now, in my country at least, a man can only be raped by another man because the definition of rape only includes penetration and does not include envelopment. So, a woman who mounts a man against his will is only guilty of sexual assault and not rape. Worse, the punishment for sexual assault is less than that for rape. Even in the case of fellatio, if a man puts his penis in another person's mouth without consent, whether male or female, it is considered rape because he is penetrating an orifice. However, if a woman takes a man in her mouth without his consent, it is only sexual assault. Totally unfair and unequal in my book. I think you may be right. If more people knew about female on male rape and understood it, then a lot of these hypocritical and sexist comments would be reduced. Even though we have legalized gay marriage here, the concepts of rape between males is ridiculously twisted. It is rarely reported and most people think it only happens in prisons. Now, add to that the complete lack of belief that a woman can even rape a man, like it is here, and men are really getting a raw deal when it comes to their safety. I'm a big proponent of men's rights. I have a husband, three sons, a gay brother and more gay friends that I can count. So, you could say I have a vested interest. LOL That is probably another reason I got so pissed about a male rape victim being seen as a cheater.

Good point. though i guess since it's a really sensitive subject, most people don't really like to discuss about it.
i also heard that victims, especially males, tend to keep the assault/rape hidden because of society's judgmental eyes. it's sad to think about it.
it would be nice though if many people would be aware of the matter, as well as its technicalities — it's a nice thought.

unfortunately, i didn't have sex education thanks to my country's curriculum a few years back so i still have some skewed perspective towards stuffs like that. so thanks!
it's good to learn something new today. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I totally agree with that, it annoyed me so much ....also suomikaveri :DD!!