I think Kuroe didn’t blame the uke coz he thinks it’s also his fault for attempting to rape the uke. And i understand the uke for hallucinating that night thinking of Kuroe as his uncle whom raped him in the past coz he was basically drunk and couldn’t control his senses or his actions. I actually blame the sake that they drunk. Or could be Kuroe.. since he’s so “ couldn’t grow backbone to confess” his feelings and he just you-know.. “sake+Kabe-don=rape confession” kinda plan. But it’s just soo sad for both of them that the circumstances that night turn bloody that I think Kuroe’s plan didn’t actually go as he plan.. is what my brain come up of this conclusion even tho it didn’t really said in the story but it falls to me in the end that we just need to forgive but never forget the past. It’s always part of our life history book. But while re-reading this.. I actually ask myself if I can forgive ?
If I try to analyze the facts from Kuroe ‘s side... there is no rape attempt... just the friend you’re in love with confessing to you..then both of you kissing then the friend who kind of confessed ripped off your arm... I totally understand why, as it is a case of ptsd... however I cannot see any rape intention here...and I didn’t like the fact that Kuroe seemed to be blamed for leaving...when he obviously did this in order to protect the guy who (pardon me but..) fucking cut his arm...
lol I guess we really have different perspectives. first of all he didn't attempt to rape Azuma since Azuma triggered the whole thing u know and it's just Kuroe initiated the thing 'cause they feel the same about each other (it's obvious because of the air around them) that's why they ended up kissing and such. and take note that as he notice Azuma's acting weird all of a sudden( yes, he's remembering the rape scene with his uncle) and Kuroe immediately stopped and look so concerned but by then Azuma already lost it which leads to cutting off's Kuroe's arm. The two of them are the victims because it all started with the frigging rapist Uncle!! (Fuck him btw) The two ended up hurt and suffer not because of each other but because of their past
Spoilers If I try to analyze the facts from Kuroe ‘s side... there is no rape attempt... just the friend you’re in love with confessing to you..then both of you kissing then the friend who kind of confessed... Lilly3.14
and I agree with u, it's still horrible that Kuroe's arm was cutt off, they could maybe consider an accident that didn't involve cutting flesh, gosh I feel so bad about Kuroe
overall it was a good storyline and it ended well... but I feel like Kuroe was blamed for everything that happened and I didn't like that... no one seemed to acknowledge the fact that ole boy cut off his arm... except ole boy, even Kuroe didn't think to blame him, without knowing abt the rape... to me that didn't make any sense... the person you love initiate contact, and you end up losing an arm for doing absolutely nothing wrong on your part, then everyone around you seem to be more concerned for that person, including yourself... I don't get it, Kuroe showed no concern for the fact that he lost an arm, and that it was by someone he loved... I just wish the arthur addressed that, and showed Kuroe feelings about that night... but especially didn't place all fault with Kuroe when he def wasn't at fault...
Japanese honor and the ideals of Bushido are based on an entirely selfless mindset. Absolutely every thought and action is carried out thinking only of others and never one's self. To most of us in the west and especially to young people, selflessness of that degree is a foreign concept. It requires sacrifices that we are not willing to make. That's not to say we are not capable of selfless behaviours, but their version is quite extreme. In this story's case, you see everyone acting selflessly. One way of being selfless is to not impose your feeling or beliefs on another. This is why no one opposed Kuroe's choice to take responsibility and blame for both Azuma's state and the loss of his arm. He felt it was a matter of honor. He believed that he had done something to Azuma with his actions that warranted Azuma's reaction of cutting his arm off. If anyone had opposed his choice of taking responsibility and blame, they would have been behaving dishonorably by imposing their thoughts and feelings on Kuroe.
In today's world these ideals are lost. Though there are a great many positive changes that have come about through the loss of these ideals, there are also many difficulties that have come from their loss as well. Courtesy and manners have been tossed aside and the idea of taking responsibility for one's own actions has given way to blaming everyone and everything but one's self. I often wonder if it was a good trade.
Japanese honor and the ideals of Bushido are based on an entirely selfless mindset. Absolutely every thought and action is carried out thinking only of others and never one's self. To most of us in the west and... Mameiha
Japanese honor and the ideals of Bushido are based on an entirely selfless mindset. Absolutely every thought and action is carried out thinking only of others and never one's self. To most of us in the west and... Mameiha
You explained that beautifully, thank you. shewasadanger
My apologies to both you and Mayumi for not responding to you sooner. I was without the ability to connect to this site for several months. Please accept my deepest apologies.
Also, please accept my thanks for your lovely compliment. I deeply admire the selfless values of the samurai. Only because, at one time, I was a very selfish person and it nearly cost me everything I hold most dear. I had to make some big changes to who I was as a person and the way I did this was to look to those who truly understood selflessness. I'm still selfish about some things, like determining one's own happiness and I am likely the least filial child on the planet. LOL Otherwise, I try to live in service to those I love ( provided it does not infringe on my own happiness in life LOL).
Again, thank you for the compliment and I hope you can forgive my delayed response.
My apologies to both you and Mayumi for not responding to you sooner. I was without the ability to connect to this site for several months. Please accept my deepest apologies. Also, please accept my thanks for ... Mameiha
I've been seeing you lots here ^^ And don't worry about your delayed response (≧∀≦) I hope your life is filled with happiness and grace instead of regrets~
I've been seeing you lots here ^^ And don't worry about your delayed response (≧∀≦) I hope your life is filled with happiness and grace instead of regrets~ Himeowchama
Thank you, once again and I wish the same for you in return. I hope that you have not witnessed any of my less than admirable moments. LOL It feels like I have been on here forever, but if I gave up yaoi, I don't know what I would do with myself!
My apologies to both you and Mayumi for not responding to you sooner. I was without the ability to connect to this site for several months. Please accept my deepest apologies. Also, please accept my thanks for ... Mameiha
I haven’t been on my self for a long stretch of time, but there’s no need for apologies, I know we all have lives beyond this site. I’m glad you are back, your view and opinions are very insightful and honest. Please continue to share them.
I haven’t been on my self for a long stretch of time, but there’s no need for apologies, I know we all have lives beyond this site. I’m glad you are back, your view and opinions are very insightful and ho... shewasadanger
Thank you so much. That is very sweet of you to say. I hope that, in the future, we can find some interesting topics to discuss together. I would enjoy that very much.
Somehow I found the one-arm-thing kind of attractive? What is wrong with meh!!! ;-;
Also my reaction to having my arm cut off despite the fact that they were making sure if was ok with the uke even as they started, would be: "Um ow, well not forgiving that one without an explanation no matter how much I love you."
Lol
(But luckily the explanation, including the uke's sudden PTSD moment was delivered, albeit late.
Somehow I found the one-arm-thing kind of attractive?What is wrong with meh!!! ;-;Also my reaction to having my arm cut off despite the fact that they were making sure if was ok with the uke even as they starte... BakaButler
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(●￣(ｴ)￣●) to much, but I will say the end was good so I wont think about the beginning. To me two totally different vibes.
the one to be blamed is that shit uncle...for leaving azuma the trauma from rape him
for some odd reason i dont like this .......... cant really explain it ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
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I think Kuroe didn’t blame the uke coz he thinks it’s also his fault for attempting to rape the uke. And i understand the uke for hallucinating that night thinking of Kuroe as his uncle whom raped him in the past coz he was basically drunk and couldn’t control his senses or his actions. I actually blame the sake that they drunk. Or could be Kuroe.. since he’s so “ couldn’t grow backbone to confess” his feelings and he just you-know.. “sake+Kabe-don=rape confession” kinda plan. But it’s just soo sad for both of them that the circumstances that night turn bloody that I think Kuroe’s plan didn’t actually go as he plan.. is what my brain come up of this conclusion even tho it didn’t really said in the story but it falls to me in the end that we just need to forgive but never forget the past. It’s always part of our life history book. But while re-reading this.. I actually ask myself if I can forgive ?
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If I try to analyze the facts from Kuroe ‘s side... there is no rape attempt... just the friend you’re in love with confessing to you..then both of you kissing then the friend who kind of confessed ripped off your arm... I totally understand why, as it is a case of ptsd... however I cannot see any rape intention here...and I didn’t like the fact that Kuroe seemed to be blamed for leaving...when he obviously did this in order to protect the guy who (pardon me but..) fucking cut his arm...
lol I guess we really have different perspectives. first of all he didn't attempt to rape Azuma since Azuma triggered the whole thing u know and
it's just Kuroe initiated the thing 'cause they feel the same about each other (it's obvious because of the air around them) that's why they ended up kissing and such. and take note that as he notice Azuma's acting weird all of a sudden( yes, he's remembering the rape scene with his uncle) and Kuroe immediately stopped and look so concerned but by then Azuma already lost it which leads to cutting off's Kuroe's arm. The two of them are the victims because it all started with the frigging rapist Uncle!! (Fuck him btw)
The two ended up hurt and suffer not because of each other but because of their past
and I agree with u, it's still horrible that Kuroe's arm was cutt off, they could maybe consider an accident that didn't involve cutting flesh, gosh I feel so bad about Kuroe
overall it was a good storyline and it ended well... but I feel like Kuroe was blamed for everything that happened and I didn't like that... no one seemed to acknowledge the fact that ole boy cut off his arm... except ole boy, even Kuroe didn't think to blame him, without knowing abt the rape... to me that didn't make any sense... the person you love initiate contact, and you end up losing an arm for doing absolutely nothing wrong on your part, then everyone around you seem to be more concerned for that person, including yourself... I don't get it, Kuroe showed no concern for the fact that he lost an arm, and that it was by someone he loved... I just wish the arthur addressed that, and showed Kuroe feelings about that night... but especially didn't place all fault with Kuroe when he def wasn't at fault...
Japanese honor and the ideals of Bushido are based on an entirely selfless mindset. Absolutely every thought and action is carried out thinking only of others and never one's self. To most of us in the west and especially to young people, selflessness of that degree is a foreign concept. It requires sacrifices that we are not willing to make. That's not to say we are not capable of selfless behaviours, but their version is quite extreme. In this story's case, you see everyone acting selflessly. One way of being selfless is to not impose your feeling or beliefs on another. This is why no one opposed Kuroe's choice to take responsibility and blame for both Azuma's state and the loss of his arm. He felt it was a matter of honor. He believed that he had done something to Azuma with his actions that warranted Azuma's reaction of cutting his arm off. If anyone had opposed his choice of taking responsibility and blame, they would have been behaving dishonorably by imposing their thoughts and feelings on Kuroe.
In today's world these ideals are lost. Though there are a great many positive changes that have come about through the loss of these ideals, there are also many difficulties that have come from their loss as well. Courtesy and manners have been tossed aside and the idea of taking responsibility for one's own actions has given way to blaming everyone and everything but one's self. I often wonder if it was a good trade.
You explained that beautifully, thank you.
^yep that's about it
My apologies to both you and Mayumi for not responding to you sooner. I was without the ability to connect to this site for several months. Please accept my deepest apologies.
Also, please accept my thanks for your lovely compliment. I deeply admire the selfless values of the samurai. Only because, at one time, I was a very selfish person and it nearly cost me everything I hold most dear. I had to make some big changes to who I was as a person and the way I did this was to look to those who truly understood selflessness. I'm still selfish about some things, like determining one's own happiness and I am likely the least filial child on the planet. LOL Otherwise, I try to live in service to those I love ( provided it does not infringe on my own happiness in life LOL).
Again, thank you for the compliment and I hope you can forgive my delayed response.
I've been seeing you lots here ^^ And don't worry about your delayed response (≧∀≦) I hope your life is filled with happiness and grace instead of regrets~
Thank you, once again and I wish the same for you in return. I hope that you have not witnessed any of my less than admirable moments. LOL It feels like I have been on here forever, but if I gave up yaoi, I don't know what I would do with myself!
I haven’t been on my self for a long stretch of time, but there’s no need for apologies, I know we all have lives beyond this site. I’m glad you are back, your view and opinions are very insightful and honest. Please continue to share them.
Thank you so much. That is very sweet of you to say. I hope that, in the future, we can find some interesting topics to discuss together. I would enjoy that very much.
too bad they didn"t play "doctor" if you know what i mean ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
I knew it wasn't Kuroe who raped him! I Didn't expect the arm thing though, it was really sad but a great twist to the story.
Somehow I found the one-arm-thing kind of attractive?
What is wrong with meh!!! ;-;
Also my reaction to having my arm cut off despite the fact that they were making sure if was ok with the uke even as they started, would be: "Um ow, well not forgiving that one without an explanation no matter how much I love you."
Lol
(But luckily the explanation, including the uke's sudden PTSD moment was delivered, albeit late.
I get what you mean (●'◡'●)ﾉ
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I like the story, but I especially enjoyed the end because the angst disappeared and humor took it's place ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
That seme's father in the end. So sly~ hahah
The start were pretty tense but it gradually become funny towards the end...lol...love this!
This sensei's artwork is sugoi!~~cc