Today I was brushing my teeth in my school's bathroom and my biology professor from last semester came in. We said hi before she went into a stall and then chatted for a bit when she left. Then I realized: oh right, some people would have a problem with that because she's a transwoman in a women's bathroom. I don't think I can ever look at that anti-trans argument the same way. How petty do you have to be to care about any of this seriously?
i agree to a certain degree. but sex =/= gender. personally i feel transphobia is silly. having said that female sports is female sports and male sports is male sports. u js can't be a transwoman AND also wanna compete in female exclusive sports which has smth to do w physical strength majorly. chess is diff. there should be a mixed category of all inclusive sports, idk. don't bring up the "there's no difference in physical strength of trans women athlete w cis women athlete and vice versa" we ALL KNOW there is. let's not be so open minded our brains fall out. "let's not do bioessentialism" well, yeah, if our sexes weren't predominantly binary we won't be doing it, but they are, we aren't. we aren't clownfish, or gecko. "all babies are female first" TRUE. in the foetus, which aren't seperate entities from mothers ;) so yes, you can have anything, OT everything. offtopic but same with same sex couples wanting children. a wlw couple can either get a sperm donor or adopt, and a mlm couple can adopt or if anyone as previous children they can be parents to them. i am anti surrogacy they and thru. no one has access to other woman's body. it shouldn't be there. don't wanna adopt? don't wanna give birth or can't give birth? well, BOO fucking HOO. you don't get to have children :D. "but we wanna be parents" and i wanna go japan next summer. if i dont got money nor visa, i cant. not all wishes can be fulfilled. i think people should understand that everything is more or less a choice. if u want to be trans, u gotta accept that some spaces are sex-exclusive. be in all sex-inclusive space :). in an ideal non patriarchal world, spaces would all be all inclusive but we don't live in ideal world sadly. love all trans people but it's the truth. if i am a woman i dealt with things that were gender based violence and discrimination, and sure anyone who feels connected to female gender can be woman, but they can't ignore MY experiences as a woman you know. bc some things are first hand experiences. i can never feel what it's like to be kicked in the balls, so i dont go "it hurts less than having periods cramps!" i js don't say anything.
To follow up on the trans athletes... Sport is full of unfair advantages. Even among the same sex, physiology and anatomy can naturally give people an edge in the sport they practice. I understand that at a professional level it should be regulated, and it already is, since trans athletes need to have been on hormones for a number of years before they are allowed to compete. And yes, I know, despite estrogen lowering the muscle and bone density of trans women, they will never perfectly match a cis woman. However, the FEW professional trans athletes we have seen so far aren't out there dominating the charts. They win and lose a fair amount. It's a non-issue to me.
The public figures who go on the news and on twitter to bitch about trans people existing are doing something very smart. They take people's fears, especially women's (of being assaulted in a bathroom, of being overpowered by a man), and make it seem like it's trans people's fault. Like they're predators or cheaters for wanting to go to the bathroom and do sports. Whether they want to or not, anyone who partakes in that rhetoric is contributing to excluding trans people from public life. That's what happens EVERY TIME a minority gets more vocal. That's why I can't take any of it seriously.
And it breaks my heart that the same arguments are now being used to take rights away from gay people too.
it's pretty unconvincing to say you're not transphobic or agreeing with transphobia and then repeat a bunch of transphobic and trans-exclusionary rhetoric anyways. those assumptions about biological physical capabilities are the basis for the division of sports according to "sex" and the lack of investment into women's sports and physical education "because men will always outperform them anyways". those same assumptions are used to undermine female athletes who overperform, and as a cudgel against trans women even though they don't exhibit the overwhelming domination of sport that they're assumed to have. i saw something not too long ago that suggested that trans men actually have an advantage and can outperform cis men.
trans people and trans women especially shouldn't be scapegoated and pushed out of public life or prevented from doing something as simple as using a bathroom for such disingenuous reasons.
it's pretty unconvincing to say you're not transphobic or agreeing with transphobia and then repeat a bunch of transphobic and trans-exclusionary rhetoric anyways.those assumptions about biological physical cap... sottovoce
i never said smth reg washrooms and trans people should use the washrooms they feel comfortable with. but saying im propagating trans rhetoric is crazy. sorry but AFAB people and AMAB people are not exactly the same. sexual dimorphism, you know?
are you willfully blind or just unaware of the way that the banner of "protecting single-sex spaces" is used to enact transphobic policy that effectively cuts trans people (and especially targets trans women) out of public life? even when it's "softened" by giving allowances to people who have transitioned "enough", the fact that there would be a threshold (who decides that?) and that the means for transition are restricted and out of reach for so many trans people just makes it just another way to enforce compliance with sex roles. just staying in the closet forever or not transitioning in any way also doesn't address that problem. you can't tell me you don't see the contradiction in claiming that you find transphobia silly while also saying "if u want to be trans, u gotta accept that some spaces are sex-exclusive. be in all sex-inclusive space" as if those "all sex-inclusive spaces" aren't actively being undermined by transphobic policy and attitudes and saying such discrimination is just something that should be accepted without pushback. if you didn't mean that as anti-trans rhetoric, that's how it came off to me. yes, things aren't currently welcoming to trans people. things don't get better without identifying the problem and working on solutions either. being able to identify anti-trans rhetoric is important for that reason.
humans exhibit sexual dimorphism, but physical sex characteristics so varied and malleable that basing and assuming everything on assigned sex at birth misses a lot of what matters about the physical capability of an individual. there's the disparities in stuff like medical and safety research and knowledge about women's bodies, but frankly, everyone who isn't a cis (western, white) man is understudied and underserved by the state of medical research right now.
are you willfully blind or just unaware of the way that the banner of "protecting single-sex spaces" is used to enact transphobic policy that effectively cuts trans people (and especially targets trans women) o... sottovoce
Can I just say sottovoce you are a light in a very dark and ignorant transphobic world mwah
Ok so I understand all the other replies here. I know it's not just me but for me especially I dislike the thought of trans women using women bathrooms. Maybe it's because my brother is trans and now he literally goes in to the same restrooms as me which I still think is weird asf. And how my trans friend always points out my body and tries to get me to be comfortable with undressing when he's there like I am with my female friends. Idk guys sorry for offending, I just can't wrap my head around it.
You're fine, I'm not demanding everyone be confortable with it, but I do think you should try to look at it from the perspective a trans person. They also might feel uncomfortable and/or unsafe in the bathroom of the gender they don't identify as. Violence agaisnt LGBTQ people is as much of a problem as violence agaisnt women and other marginalized groups. What we're discussing is dangerous rhetoric used to depict all trans people as sexual predators and exclude them from public places
people often cling to things that give them some measure of power, or ability to cause harm to someone else. crab bucket mentality. trans people living their truth are way less of a threat to me than cis people who want to control other people's lives.
Respectfully no. I believe that to a certain degree, transphobia is justified. I know that many want to believe that they really are the gender they transitioned into, but in truth they just aren't. At the end of the day all they did was hormone therapy and surgical operations, they'll never experience the pain and fear being a woman comes with. It genuinely is scary that someone who used to be a man can invade spaces that are supposed to make women feel comfortable and safe just because they altered themselves.
I don't believe in a universal "woman experience." You'll face different struggles depending on where and when you were born. The idea of being a woman has changed so much just in the last 30 years and will continue to evolve. Why does being a woman have to come with pain and fear? Is a woman who can't relate to that not a woman? Besides, trans people are something like four times more likely to be assaulted than cis people. Trust me, they understand the fear
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i agree to a certain degree. but sex =/= gender. personally i feel transphobia is silly. having said that female sports is female sports and male sports is male sports. u js can't be a transwoman AND also wanna compete in female exclusive sports which has smth to do w physical strength majorly. chess is diff. there should be a mixed category of all inclusive sports, idk. don't bring up the "there's no difference in physical strength of trans women athlete w cis women athlete and vice versa" we ALL KNOW there is. let's not be so open minded our brains fall out. "let's not do bioessentialism" well, yeah, if our sexes weren't predominantly binary we won't be doing it, but they are, we aren't. we aren't clownfish, or gecko. "all babies are female first" TRUE. in the foetus, which aren't seperate entities from mothers ;) so yes, you can have anything, OT everything. offtopic but same with same sex couples wanting children. a wlw couple can either get a sperm donor or adopt, and a mlm couple can adopt or if anyone as previous children they can be parents to them. i am anti surrogacy they and thru. no one has access to other woman's body. it shouldn't be there. don't wanna adopt? don't wanna give birth or can't give birth? well, BOO fucking HOO. you don't get to have children :D. "but we wanna be parents" and i wanna go japan next summer. if i dont got money nor visa, i cant. not all wishes can be fulfilled. i think people should understand that everything is more or less a choice. if u want to be trans, u gotta accept that some spaces are sex-exclusive. be in all sex-inclusive space :). in an ideal non patriarchal world, spaces would all be all inclusive but we don't live in ideal world sadly. love all trans people but it's the truth. if i am a woman i dealt with things that were gender based violence and discrimination, and sure anyone who feels connected to female gender can be woman, but they can't ignore MY experiences as a woman you know. bc some things are first hand experiences. i can never feel what it's like to be kicked in the balls, so i dont go "it hurts less than having periods cramps!" i js don't say anything.
To follow up on the trans athletes... Sport is full of unfair advantages. Even among the same sex, physiology and anatomy can naturally give people an edge in the sport they practice. I understand that at a professional level it should be regulated, and it already is, since trans athletes need to have been on hormones for a number of years before they are allowed to compete. And yes, I know, despite estrogen lowering the muscle and bone density of trans women, they will never perfectly match a cis woman. However, the FEW professional trans athletes we have seen so far aren't out there dominating the charts. They win and lose a fair amount. It's a non-issue to me.
The public figures who go on the news and on twitter to bitch about trans people existing are doing something very smart. They take people's fears, especially women's (of being assaulted in a bathroom, of being overpowered by a man), and make it seem like it's trans people's fault. Like they're predators or cheaters for wanting to go to the bathroom and do sports. Whether they want to or not, anyone who partakes in that rhetoric is contributing to excluding trans people from public life. That's what happens EVERY TIME a minority gets more vocal. That's why I can't take any of it seriously.
And it breaks my heart that the same arguments are now being used to take rights away from gay people too.
it's pretty unconvincing to say you're not transphobic or agreeing with transphobia and then repeat a bunch of transphobic and trans-exclusionary rhetoric anyways.
those assumptions about biological physical capabilities are the basis for the division of sports according to "sex" and the lack of investment into women's sports and physical education "because men will always outperform them anyways". those same assumptions are used to undermine female athletes who overperform, and as a cudgel against trans women even though they don't exhibit the overwhelming domination of sport that they're assumed to have. i saw something not too long ago that suggested that trans men actually have an advantage and can outperform cis men.
trans people and trans women especially shouldn't be scapegoated and pushed out of public life or prevented from doing something as simple as using a bathroom for such disingenuous reasons.
i never said smth reg washrooms and trans people should use the washrooms they feel comfortable with. but saying im propagating trans rhetoric is crazy. sorry but AFAB people and AMAB people are not exactly the same. sexual dimorphism, you know?
are you willfully blind or just unaware of the way that the banner of "protecting single-sex spaces" is used to enact transphobic policy that effectively cuts trans people (and especially targets trans women) out of public life?
even when it's "softened" by giving allowances to people who have transitioned "enough", the fact that there would be a threshold (who decides that?) and that the means for transition are restricted and out of reach for so many trans people just makes it just another way to enforce compliance with sex roles. just staying in the closet forever or not transitioning in any way also doesn't address that problem. you can't tell me you don't see the contradiction in claiming that you find transphobia silly while also saying "if u want to be trans, u gotta accept that some spaces are sex-exclusive. be in all sex-inclusive space" as if those "all sex-inclusive spaces" aren't actively being undermined by transphobic policy and attitudes and saying such discrimination is just something that should be accepted without pushback. if you didn't mean that as anti-trans rhetoric, that's how it came off to me.
yes, things aren't currently welcoming to trans people. things don't get better without identifying the problem and working on solutions either. being able to identify anti-trans rhetoric is important for that reason.
humans exhibit sexual dimorphism, but physical sex characteristics so varied and malleable that basing and assuming everything on assigned sex at birth misses a lot of what matters about the physical capability of an individual. there's the disparities in stuff like medical and safety research and knowledge about women's bodies, but frankly, everyone who isn't a cis (western, white) man is understudied and underserved by the state of medical research right now.
Can I just say sottovoce you are a light in a very dark and ignorant transphobic world mwah
Ok so I understand all the other replies here. I know it's not just me but for me especially I dislike the thought of trans women using women bathrooms. Maybe it's because my brother is trans and now he literally goes in to the same restrooms as me which I still think is weird asf. And how my trans friend always points out my body and tries to get me to be comfortable with undressing when he's there like I am with my female friends. Idk guys sorry for offending, I just can't wrap my head around it.
You're fine, I'm not demanding everyone be confortable with it, but I do think you should try to look at it from the perspective a trans person. They also might feel uncomfortable and/or unsafe in the bathroom of the gender they don't identify as. Violence agaisnt LGBTQ people is as much of a problem as violence agaisnt women and other marginalized groups. What we're discussing is dangerous rhetoric used to depict all trans people as sexual predators and exclude them from public places
people often cling to things that give them some measure of power, or ability to cause harm to someone else. crab bucket mentality.
trans people living their truth are way less of a threat to me than cis people who want to control other people's lives.
Respectfully no. I believe that to a certain degree, transphobia is justified. I know that many want to believe that they really are the gender they transitioned into, but in truth they just aren't. At the end of the day all they did was hormone therapy and surgical operations, they'll never experience the pain and fear being a woman comes with. It genuinely is scary that someone who used to be a man can invade spaces that are supposed to make women feel comfortable and safe just because they altered themselves.
I don't believe in a universal "woman experience." You'll face different struggles depending on where and when you were born. The idea of being a woman has changed so much just in the last 30 years and will continue to evolve. Why does being a woman have to come with pain and fear? Is a woman who can't relate to that not a woman? Besides, trans people are something like four times more likely to be assaulted than cis people. Trust me, they understand the fear
exactly!