(1) People often care more about fictional issues than real-world ones. When they say "fiction affects reality," it's frequently performative, they're more interested in looking morally right than helping actual victims.
(2) Using wars or other global crises to dismiss unrelated issues is also performative. It's often just a way to deflect criticism or defend someone they like.
(3) Most viral TikTok trends feel like distractions from more important issues such as the files. ( dot cake, Dubai chocolate, and dare I say the Empire State Building couple?)
(4) People hear one theory or opinion on TikTok and immediately treat it as fact instead of checking the evidence themselves. Misinformation spreads because people repeat whatever goes viral, and many can't separate speculation from reality. The "Vinted kids" rumor is a good example, people claimed children were being sold without verifying whether it was actually true.
I heavily agree with the first point but my perspective for that kind of thing as well is why do people praise engaging with moral ambiguity in fictional characters but don't do the same for real people? It's virtuous to not engage with a black and white mindset towards morally ambiguous fictional characters, but when it comes to real people, people are perfectly fine with viewing them with a black and white mindset. I think it's so stupid fictional characters are put on a pedestal, are demanded empathy, demanded to be understood as humans by fans even with the character's worst actions, but when it comes to real life people, they can be thrown to the dogs if they aren't ideal, perfect, pristine human beings. That's why I find morally ambiguous characters and the hype around them stupid. Because I think it's nothing virtuous or great if you're treating real people with less open minded ness than fictional characters, fictional characters get to be imperfect and demanded empathy but real people are judged like characters that have flawed writing and can be written off as one-dimensional shit people.
I agree. I've honestly never really understood the hype around "complex" or "well-written" fictional characters in the way people talk about them. At the end of the day, those characters are based on real human behavior, so why do they get more fascination, empathy, and attention than actual people who are just as complicated, or even more so?
I also notice that if you even lightly criticize a well loved character, people can get incredibly defensive, yet they'll reduce real people to one mistake or one bad trait without a second thought. It's a weird double standard. People say it's important to appreciate moral ambiguity in fiction, but then turn around and judge actual humans in a completely different way.
I think part of it is that people like to separate fiction from reality. It's easier to empathize with a fictional character because they don't affect your life, and you get to see their entire backstory and inner thoughts. With real people, you rarely get that perspective, and it's easier to make snap judgments. But it does make me wonder why fictional characters often receive more patience and understanding than talented or complex people in real life (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I heavily agree with everything you said but I do partially disagree with your first point, this could me just misunderstanding what you're saying due to language barriers tho so feel free to correct me (this is LONG)
I do think that a chunk of people do infact concern themselves with fictional issues, or would rather indulge in debates of problems regarding fiction over pressing issues in the real world, but I personally don't think that means concerns about fiction are invalid either. People can care about BOTH fiction and reality at the same time. Fiction does influence certain views on some cultures, normalize certain behaviors, and change how people think over long periods. That doesn't mean every fictional work does that, but we have a fair amount of evidence to suggest that it, in fact, really is an impending problem that is affecting the nation on a large scale
Also, I think that people being performative doesn't necessarily invalidate their opinion if you get what I mean? It's possible for someone to be hypocritical while still raising a valid point. an argument to me should be judged with the evidence regarding it, not by whether every person making it lives up to their own standards and views, someone can be trying to change and failing continuously while still holding onto the ideas that make them want to change iykwm?
And a part for me also thinks that the reason many people are behind screens imposing their ideas instead of making rallies on the street is due to the way fiction shaped us too, this is moreso subjective but I think that the way comics and mangas have almost molded the societal views in their stories is in a way, affecting us too. I mean the way super hero comics are centered around one, or a select few, of characters whom constantly save the 'poor, helpless and scared' civilians from villains had made people in real life crave that structure too, only few actually want to be heros, the majority of those people want to be part of the helpless civilians in the hero's side, people don't want to be the one who stand up in the face of evil. That's why when a person who presents themselves as a 'solution' to a problem in our society, for example zohran al-mamdani, everybody quickly cheers them on and pushes them forward, because those are the heroes who are going to take shots for the scared civilians.
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I think I didn't explain my first point very well.
I wasn't trying to say that concerns about fiction are automatically invalid or that fiction can never influence people. I agree that fiction can shape attitudes and that certain depictions are worth discussing.
What I was talking about is something different, the way some people seem to give more attention to fictional issues than real people who are actively suffering. I recently saw a video from a victim talking about her own experiences, saying that it feels like people are louder about fictional scenarios than they are about actual victims of csa, sa, and exploitation. Instead of listening to what she was saying, a lot of the comments immediately responded with "both are bad" or "fiction affects reality." While those statements can be true in general, they completely ignored what she was expressing and ended up proving her point.
That's more what I meant by performative. Sometimes people jump to the same talking points because they sound morally correct, rather than engaging with the person in front of them or asking what would actually help real victims.
I think discussions about fiction have their place, but I also think we often lose perspective. People can spend days arguing over fictional ships or fictional depictions, yet there isn't nearly the same level of attention given to actual predators, supporting survivors, or addressing real world abuse. To me, that's the imbalance I was criticizing, not the idea that fiction can have influence. ┗( T﹏T )┛
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I think I didn't explain my first point very well.I wasn't trying to say that concerns about fiction are automatically invalid or that fiction can never in... sunnyfunnyrunnybunny
Ohh my bad then !! I do wholeheartedly agree with you on this, people easily dismiss so much of the suffering people to through because they aren't the one being put in that situation, alot of people really just love to talk about a case without having the basics of sympathy for someone they don't relate to.
Which kind of also goes to the point where people romanticize killers and assaulters because they are not put in a situation that directly harms them like those victims are.
Ah the fourth point hard agree. The amount of "certain continent ppl" I met on sns genuinely believe we all live in slums and survive on daily wage basis cuz of that one damn movie...
Same, I’ve met so many people like that. Where I live, people say our freedom is being taken away when we are all privileged to live here. And the actual people having their freedom taken away are such as the people in Palestine.
are these hot takes now? more like common sense imho. but for number 4 i wouldn't put it past people to use any platform they can to traffic children..
Yep apparently, I got flamed for saying these on tiktok, I guess people lack common sense. And you’re right, it is good people were concerned by the whole vinted situation but they need to start doing research before spreading misinformation.
Yep apparently, I got flamed for saying these on tiktok, I guess people lack common sense. And you’re right, it is good people were concerned by the whole vinted situation but they need to start doing researc... sunnyfunnyrunnybunny
i genuinely think most ppl on sns don't even know how to do basic research. also why delete point 5? too controversial?
Yeah I didn’t know how people were gonna take it on here, but I might edit it back sunnyfunnyrunnybunny
i don't remember the exact wording you used but rewatching shows i've watched years ago and hearing that fuckass made up place's name annoys me so much. they've been forced into every form of media and even mentioned multiple times in the files. ntm the majority of world leaders and governments who are allowing them to continue this disgusting genocide and war crimes. not a stretch or a hot take imo.
i don't remember the exact wording you used but rewatching shows i've watched years ago and hearing that fuckass made up place's name annoys me so much. they've been forced into every form of media and even men... vibes
Yes I heavily agree, the reason the majority of the world’s leaders condone the atrocities isnotrael commits is either because they’re being blackmailed because they were in the files, or they’re being paid. For example, us pays politicians to lobby for isnotrael, those politicians vote to send more money to isnotrael, then the money is sent back to the us for people to then send the money to isnotrael. Thats one of the reasons they’re so powerful, coercion and money.
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I heavily agree with the first point but my perspective for that kind of thing as well is why do people praise engaging with moral ambiguity in fictional characters but don't do the same for real people? It's virtuous to not engage with a black and white mindset towards morally ambiguous fictional characters, but when it comes to real people, people are perfectly fine with viewing them with a black and white mindset. I think it's so stupid fictional characters are put on a pedestal, are demanded empathy, demanded to be understood as humans by fans even with the character's worst actions, but when it comes to real life people, they can be thrown to the dogs if they aren't ideal, perfect, pristine human beings. That's why I find morally ambiguous characters and the hype around them stupid. Because I think it's nothing virtuous or great if you're treating real people with less open minded ness than fictional characters, fictional characters get to be imperfect and demanded empathy but real people are judged like characters that have flawed writing and can be written off as one-dimensional shit people.
I agree. I've honestly never really understood the hype around "complex" or "well-written" fictional characters in the way people talk about them. At the end of the day, those characters are based on real human behavior, so why do they get more fascination, empathy, and attention than actual people who are just as complicated, or even more so?
I also notice that if you even lightly criticize a well loved character, people can get incredibly defensive, yet they'll reduce real people to one mistake or one bad trait without a second thought. It's a weird double standard. People say it's important to appreciate moral ambiguity in fiction, but then turn around and judge actual humans in a completely different way.
I think part of it is that people like to separate fiction from reality. It's easier to empathize with a fictional character because they don't affect your life, and you get to see their entire backstory and inner thoughts. With real people, you rarely get that perspective, and it's easier to make snap judgments. But it does make me wonder why fictional characters often receive more patience and understanding than talented or complex people in real life (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I heavily agree with everything you said but I do partially disagree with your first point, this could me just misunderstanding what you're saying due to language barriers tho so feel free to correct me (this is LONG)
I do think that a chunk of people do infact concern themselves with fictional issues, or would rather indulge in debates of problems regarding fiction over pressing issues in the real world, but I personally don't think that means concerns about fiction are invalid either. People can care about BOTH fiction and reality at the same time. Fiction does influence certain views on some cultures, normalize certain behaviors, and change how people think over long periods. That doesn't mean every fictional work does that, but we have a fair amount of evidence to suggest that it, in fact, really is an impending problem that is affecting the nation on a large scale
Also, I think that people being performative doesn't necessarily invalidate their opinion if you get what I mean? It's possible for someone to be hypocritical while still raising a valid point. an argument to me should be judged with the evidence regarding it, not by whether every person making it lives up to their own standards and views, someone can be trying to change and failing continuously while still holding onto the ideas that make them want to change iykwm?
And a part for me also thinks that the reason many people are behind screens imposing their ideas instead of making rallies on the street is due to the way fiction shaped us too, this is moreso subjective but I think that the way comics and mangas have almost molded the societal views in their stories is in a way, affecting us too. I mean the way super hero comics are centered around one, or a select few, of characters whom constantly save the 'poor, helpless and scared' civilians from villains had made people in real life crave that structure too, only few actually want to be heros, the majority of those people want to be part of the helpless civilians in the hero's side, people don't want to be the one who stand up in the face of evil. That's why when a person who presents themselves as a 'solution' to a problem in our society, for example zohran al-mamdani, everybody quickly cheers them on and pushes them forward, because those are the heroes who are going to take shots for the scared civilians.
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I think I didn't explain my first point very well.
I wasn't trying to say that concerns about fiction are automatically invalid or that fiction can never influence people. I agree that fiction can shape attitudes and that certain depictions are worth discussing.
What I was talking about is something different, the way some people seem to give more attention to fictional issues than real people who are actively suffering. I recently saw a video from a victim talking about her own experiences, saying that it feels like people are louder about fictional scenarios than they are about actual victims of csa, sa, and exploitation. Instead of listening to what she was saying, a lot of the comments immediately responded with "both are bad" or "fiction affects reality." While those statements can be true in general, they completely ignored what she was expressing and ended up proving her point.
That's more what I meant by performative. Sometimes people jump to the same talking points because they sound morally correct, rather than engaging with the person in front of them or asking what would actually help real victims.
I think discussions about fiction have their place, but I also think we often lose perspective. People can spend days arguing over fictional ships or fictional depictions, yet there isn't nearly the same level of attention given to actual predators, supporting survivors, or addressing real world abuse. To me, that's the imbalance I was criticizing, not the idea that fiction can have influence.
┗( T﹏T )┛
Ohh my bad then !! I do wholeheartedly agree with you on this, people easily dismiss so much of the suffering people to through because they aren't the one being put in that situation, alot of people really just love to talk about a case without having the basics of sympathy for someone they don't relate to.
Which kind of also goes to the point where people romanticize killers and assaulters because they are not put in a situation that directly harms them like those victims are.
I have some but everytime someone asks for them i forget them
Lol relatable
Ah the fourth point hard agree. The amount of "certain continent ppl" I met on sns genuinely believe we all live in slums and survive on daily wage basis cuz of that one damn movie...
Same, I’ve met so many people like that. Where I live, people say our freedom is being taken away when we are all privileged to live here. And the actual people having their freedom taken away are such as the people in Palestine.
are these hot takes now? more like common sense imho. but for number 4 i wouldn't put it past people to use any platform they can to traffic children..
Yep apparently, I got flamed for saying these on tiktok, I guess people lack common sense. And you’re right, it is good people were concerned by the whole vinted situation but they need to start doing research before spreading misinformation.
i genuinely think most ppl on sns don't even know how to do basic research. also why delete point 5? too controversial?
Yeah I didn’t know how people were gonna take it on here, but I might edit it back
i don't remember the exact wording you used but rewatching shows i've watched years ago and hearing that fuckass made up place's name annoys me so much. they've been forced into every form of media and even mentioned multiple times in the files. ntm the majority of world leaders and governments who are allowing them to continue this disgusting genocide and war crimes. not a stretch or a hot take imo.
Yes I heavily agree, the reason the majority of the world’s leaders condone the atrocities isnotrael commits is either because they’re being blackmailed because they were in the files, or they’re being paid. For example, us pays politicians to lobby for isnotrael, those politicians vote to send more money to isnotrael, then the money is sent back to the us for people to then send the money to isnotrael. Thats one of the reasons they’re so powerful, coercion and money.