so we're only allowed to shower praise on manga we read? ok.gif.
and yeah obviously he could've ended up with a girl if he wanted but the story definitely makes ME feel like his gay relationship was a fallback plan. speaking as a man who likes men, i would never want to be a consolation prize or substitute for a guy who presented as straight. we can pat the author on the back for depicting a nice coming out without trying to muzzle criticisms. you're welcome to think my viewpoint is invalid, but LGBT representation is important and it's kinda rude to be dismissive of such opinions.
i've noticed that criticisms of a manga, no matter how valid, are always met with a downpouring of thumbs down... unless the criticism is about the ~correct seme-uke ordering or the lack of sex in the story. BL fangirls sure have their priorities straight~~~~~
haha. dude, the thing is, you gotta know history first. Yaoi has never been intended for men/gay men. Their target market is women. I am a straight woman and I like reading yaoi because of the hot guys in it. But you if you can't see LGBT representation in there, then I am not surprised. Coz, it's really not supposed to be there. You forget to think that Japanese mangaka have different way of thinking than American comic book writers. If you dont like it that yaoi is for women, then Im sorry, it sucks for you. I kinda think yaoi storylines have totally improved now, compared to stories from 10 years ago. Most of the stories were simply "chick-wth-a-dick" themed...
I agree with both of you, as you both make valid points.
To me the problem is, that the crucial time of choice comes a bit early in their relationship, before they themselves are quite sure of their own and each others emotions. Not enough to the kind of sacrifices both might have to make. Not to speak of disappointing Sudou's family. But it is definitely something of a cop-out, to resolve the issue through infertility probs. In the end Sudou looks passive, and like he went with the flow of events instead of making an active choice till the very end.
I have definitely also noticed this trend to be intolerant towards anything the least bit critical of a manga someone likes. Don't really get that, as there are many mangas I love, but I will be the first to admit that they have their flaws, and see no issue in having a discussion them. I wouldn't want to bother if I didn't care about the manga. And before someone says that you can only be a bit critical if you think you can do better (you only have to read a few posts to know that they do)- c'mon please!!
yaoi is for women but that doesn't mean it should promote toxic relationships or dubious social attitudes? it's not like women are better represented in these manga - they're almost always faceless characters that only get in the way of gay love. i think it's pretty depressing that women hate other women enough to view them only as sexual rivals and witches.
yaoi may be better about social issues than it was 10 years ago but that's not saying much. and i have no problem with yaoi being women-oriented, because i'm not a misogynistic asshole. but just because yaoi is supposedly women-oriented doesn't shield it from criticism.
yeah i'm not hugely bothered by this story actually. i just don't like how this parent comment is titled STOP COMPLAINING, as though any complaints about this comic are invalid. sexuality can be confusing and obviously i understand how scary it is to come out for sudou or anyone else. but i think people saying that this relationship is not very romantic have a point because ultimately it appears as he prioritized other things over love.
I agree with you. I also felt that Maki was just a fallback plan. If he really loved him he would not have let him go that easily. I really felt for maki. Who says gay men can't read yaoi, that is just bullshit. Yoai is there for everyone to enjoy no matter which gender the reader is. As long as you enjoy Yoai that is all that matters. (づ￣ ³￣)づ
This is annoying.... LGBT is LGBT. Yaoi is Yaoi. The end. Stop comparing kids.
lmao yikes. and yaoi fangirls wonder why most people hate them.
I don't really care about this discussion, but no ones said gay men can't read yaoi. Reading comprehension problem?
The other user just stated the truth; yaoi is targeted for female, and she/he didn't said gay men can't read it, of course they can. Just like, shounen manga, shounen (it's actually a demographic not genre) manga is targeted for male teenagers, but many female read it.
Gay be gay guy be guy girl be girl woman be woman. There's nothing wrong unless seen and opinion otherwise. You are not limited or label because of what, who u r, u r u as long as people in this world. So stop comparing and complaining of such... It's irritating and annoying.
Yup....
Dude I am a bi, and I am a full Fujoshi!
um lmao except no one has conflated the two concepts except for you. i mean go ahead and read your fetishistic manga, it's cool. but gay people are allowed to comment on how they view the comic considering the story is, y'know, ABOUT GAY PEOPLE.
cool story sis! i'm bi too and i've already said i don't have a problem with straights or women co-opting gay couples for their purposes. it's when they say shit like gay or bi men can't criticize a comic that riles me up. but ~u do u~
Wow, so defensive.... I think u got a whole idea tooooooooo into ur mind and ur sensitivity. I'm not saying u can't but at this moment I am saying this even if u already know, I am rude to say that ur bullshitting the fact that u personally can't get ur head around this topic and opinion and go deep into ur personal and be sensitive because what? Ur Gay? Dude I am a BI. So what? We are both the same in the end, if we strip down this label and identity in which we develop we are nothing more than people. So I want to ask y u r taking it too far. Please think about it before responding me to it. I will also dog he same. There's no black and white only... In the middle which no one see is the middle grey where I stand.
i legit have no idea how anything you said relates to anything i said, but lol k.
Sorry I am the one who is actually mirroring self.... Sorry I thought it out on ya
I wanna die!
Why did I do that? TT TT I've done it. I apologies deeply (Kanye west) I am sorry. I am not in my right mind. I am sorry. I've learnt my lesson to shut my mouth
lol i didn't press the "annoying" button on you, just fyi.
and i'm too tired to argue tbh. And I don't want to shame people for whatever kinks they have even if they're fetishistic. I just want people to be able to handle criticism of a manga they like even if they disagree with it. Otherwise you have an echo chamber.
No worries though.
Everyone keeps complaining about the ending say stuff like " he only went back to the uke cause he couldn't have children" but that is just wrong... Did I see a different manga?
1. The girl broke up with him cause he couldn't have kids, but just cause that girl broke it off didn't mean he had to date a guy. I'm sure there are plenty of girls that don't want kids that he could have dated if he wanted to and we must also keep in mind that he was only dating her to please his parents.
2. The seme came out to his parents. Most BLs do not feature people coming out to there family's and many even hiding there relationship. And the ones that show people coming out depicts the family's unrealistically. His coming out shows how seriously he takes his relationship now and I truly appreciate that.
3. He father found a cure and told him about it. He new about the cure and could have gotten married if he wanted too but instead CHOSE the uke so he didn't just sleep with the uke for convenience in the end but CHOSE him out of LOVE.
I hope this jogs your memory and proves his love(づ￣ ³￣)づ like if you agree