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i guess khalid killed the FL to stop the war . Like duke heint said, they we’re outnum...

Frankenstein June 22, 2021 2:21 am

i guess khalid killed the FL to stop the war .

Like duke heint said, they we’re outnumbered and oshar is a small country i think bc the king of ansgar started his territory expanded since he was 20, meaning it’s already a big country with many state already conquered into one.

i guess Khalid wants to stop other knights to fight from a pointless war to begin with. Because as u can see in war, the knights and soldier are not the one to suffer the most. It’s the civilian.

But to say, he just need to convince Estelle to surrender by giving enough reason to accept it if it’s like that.

But with Estelle’s personalities, i think at one point, he convinced her, but she didn’t faltered. All she want is to win to protect her country at being independent. But what ur country being independent do if ur country’s population started to depleted tremendously not only because of war but also famine. War can’t last to only 2-3 years. Minimum to that is 10 years. But thats only if ur a BIG country.

Yeah she got betrayed. But she need to learn a reality that she’s already dead and in another person now.

Or better yet, she need to change her goal in life to finding her knights subordinates and see if they’re doing fine and alive, instead of focusing killing Khalid . For fck sake if he killed khalid her father and their state will be punish too.

She need to bang her head real hard to not forget that it’s not about her anymore. It’s about luci too.

If she still can’t forget revenge, then instead of khalid, kill the crown prince 1st.

isn’t it proper to help the owner of the body to fix her standing 1st b4 urs? Ur not the only one who suffered. Get it real.

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    Rissy June 22, 2021 2:32 am

    Well in her situation and with any situation where you switched bodies with someone, realistically, no one would just accept that they're not them anymore. She still needs time to process the betrayal, losing everything she protected, and cared for, having to marry someone who has killed dozens of her people and the fact that she can't say and act how she wants to now that she's a noble lady. Of course, it'd take some time to be stable enough mentally to be able to accept all of that,

    Frankenstein June 22, 2021 2:34 am

    And foremost, not enough info but base on the last accident about the murderer, although he’s Ansgar’s dog now, he didn’t really pay serious attention to empires business.

    Bc even though he already realize that not too much blood on the scene and Liam is not the murderer, he still pretends to find Liam instead of finding the real murderer to save the next victim.

    He just doesn’t care some civilians might die if not solved the case immediately.

    Frankenstein June 22, 2021 2:37 am
    Well in her situation and with any situation where you switched bodies with someone, realistically, no one would just accept that they're not them anymore. She still needs time to process the betrayal, losing e... Rissy

    yes, she need to get her act 1st before doing something ridiculous that will endanger everyone in their state.

    I guess we will see some time slip bc of her going to the state to recover.

    arebg452 June 22, 2021 2:39 am

    I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. Khalid killed her, chopped off her head and brought it as a trophy, and after that went out of her way to persecute her former subordinates and tried to pin deadly crimes on them so that they would be hunted down and killed. That doesn't sound like the work of an altruistic man who is willing to sacrifice his loved one for the greater good. That just sounds like a cowardly psychopath. If he wanted to end the war he could've killed her, but he didn't have to cut her head off, he could've brought her entire body. And then he could've tried to make the war transition as peaceful as he could, not try to chase after the survivors like they were dogs (his former friends too) just to save his own neck. There's nothing altruistic about that. And you say she should abandon her revenge or direct it to the crown prince instead? She's not taking revenge over the war, on the contrary she's slowly accepting the outcome of the war (you can see it in how she's stopped being so belligerent towards Zedekiah, and how she's been careful and tolerant around the royal family). War grudges go away in time because a single person cannot decide the outcome of a war, but what Khalid did to her (what he's still doing to her by persecuting her former friends) is personal. He trampled on her trust for him and for herself and destroyed everything she believed about herself and her ability to both defend herself and judge people. He literally destroyed her entire world. And yo want her to shake that off? When he's now in a position in which she has to see him regularly, even bow down to him and show him respect? You are a better person than I if you can do that, sister.

    Frankenstein June 22, 2021 2:52 am
    I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. Khalid killed her, chopped off her head and brought it as a trophy, and after that went out of her way to persecute her former subordinates and tried to pin deadly crimes... arebg452

    when did it says he persecuted their remaining subordinates and pin down the crimes to them and hunted? what chapter? i only remembered they were un the forest and i think hiding bc of liam wanted poster.

    although without the poster, i think they will still be in hiding bc although in war end, all reminants soldier of enemy will be pardoned, they will will still remain in hiding bc they want to kill khalid and refuse to surrender.

    I don’t know but i think khalid wants to get killed by them, thats why the other reason of not focusing on finding the “real woman murderer” at that time is also wanting to find liam for them to kill him. Revenge makes you to stay alive and go on.

    And i didn’t say to focus on crown prince “only”
    i said “if she still cant forget revenge, then instead of khalid, kill crown prince FIRST. isnt it proper to help the owner of the body FIRST b4 yours?”

    leaveitforlater June 22, 2021 3:04 am
    when did it says he persecuted their remaining subordinates and pin down the crimes to them and hunted? what chapter? i only remembered they were un the forest and i think hiding bc of liam wanted poster. altho... Frankenstein

    No the commander said before that khalid knew who the real killer was but he choose to pin on his ex friends

    Gabbie June 22, 2021 3:04 am
    I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. Khalid killed her, chopped off her head and brought it as a trophy, and after that went out of her way to persecute her former subordinates and tried to pin deadly crimes... arebg452

    Very true, qnother option is that he could've convinced the fl to surrender to the empire, I mean they were best friends they could've all survived to fight and rebel another day then they would've infiltrated internally...I think. But I really couldn't agree with mr./ms. Frankenstein's statement, I mean there is a reason why she's still alive and I beleieve it is not bcoz of her current body's situation but bcoz of her own will to live and get back on track. Being estelle means she has to be responsible of estelle's job but it also doesn't mean she could just forget evrything b4, what, could you? With your own country being destroyed, with your friends who you consider family is about to die, would you just ignore that?

    Frankenstein June 22, 2021 3:20 am
    No the commander said before that khalid knew who the real killer was but he choose to pin on his ex friends leaveitforlater

    Yes, bc i think khalid is not serious about finding the real “woman murderer” and saving the next victim.

    Bc when they discovered the true murderer, it shows that he already know the real murderer identity but still focus on wrong murderer. Meaning he didn’t care what happened in Ansgar’s civilian getting killed. He just pretend to care. That’s why duke heints got mad when he realized the khalid already knew but still chase the wrong murderer resulting to FL getting in danger.

    And i’m guessing since khalid is the 2nd male lead (its in the cover photo), this is a typical type of plot that khalid regretted to kill the FL but don’t have a choice.

    To punish himself, he wants to portrayed as a bad guy so that their past subordinate has a will to stay alive to kill him (it shows in the story when they said they can’t die yet as long as khalid is alive).

    And him ofcourse, little did they know, he wants to die but only at their hands.

    Frankenstein June 22, 2021 3:33 am
    Very true, qnother option is that he could've convinced the fl to surrender to the empire, I mean they were best friends they could've all survived to fight and rebel another day then they would've infiltrated ... Gabbie

    i already said that, that he could have convince the FL to surrender with enough reason. But in FL personality she’s a tough lady, for sure he convince her but still refuse too surrender. We didn’t know the rest of the story so i can’t say for sure. But base on the plot so far, that’s what i guess.

    And i didn’t say she needs to “forget” everything. i only said she needs to get her act together bc she is in another identity.

    In the 1st place, it’s not bc of their country wanting to be destroyed by the other enemy that the war started. it’s bc they are fighting for being an INDEPENDENT country, and not just another territory of another country. Like when the US started raging war to expand territory to be one country in the past.

    and in this process their country got destroyed like u said. But since the war stop early, it did not got destroyed completely, it gets part of angars territory.

    Gabbie June 22, 2021 4:40 am
    i already said that, that he could have convince the FL to surrender with enough reason. But in FL personality she’s a tough lady, for sure he convince her but still refuse too surrender. We didn’t know the... Frankenstein

    No, what I meant was convince her to surrender but fight/rebel internally like what you said khalid's supposedly doing as he wants to die in the hands of his former members, he shouldn't really have beheaded her and all that they could've faked it or smth, she would've been really blinded if she wouldn't have agreed to that as they were in the losing side no matter what they would've done in that situation they would've all been part of the empire regardless...and yes she needed to get her act together, but the way you word it the first time it seemed like you wanted her to forget what happened, as I said she needs to be responsible of her current body's responsibility but she can't forgo the fact that the betrayal happened. Anyways, there could be diff. Ways to "kill" khalid it isn't just physically, plus we all don't know what is about to happen, unless you've read the novel ver.

    arebg452 June 22, 2021 5:05 am
    Yes, bc i think khalid is not serious about finding the real “woman murderer” and saving the next victim.Bc when they discovered the true murderer, it shows that he already know the real murderer identity b... Frankenstein

    The fact that he's on the cover doesn't mean he's the 2nd ML (Father, I don't want to get married has the dad on the cover along with the ML, same with Abandoned Empress and Daughter of the Emperor, and Stepmother's Marchen and Villain's Mother have the stepson in the cover even though they are not considered 2nd MLs in their stories) but beyond that, he could very well be the obsessive, crazy-ass second ML who stalks the MC and keeps her body parts at home after her death (which according to the spoilers Khalid does). Still doesn't excuse what he did. Even if his intentions are pure, actions are what matter and his actions suck. I always refer to From Lady to Queen whenever this dilemma comes about, the ML in that story is shit because even though he never had bad intentions he screwed up over and over. Same with Akatsuki no Yona's Soo-Won, we know he had good intentions and was acring for the greater good but he still chose to destroy Yona's world in the pursuit of those intentions when he could've tried a different route. If you do not want to communicate your intentions for whatever reason, then you are not allowed to expect forgiveness or redemption for your bad actions. Khalid still made the conscious choice to kill her. If he wanted to end the war he could've faked her death and stow her away somewhere, hell, even kidnap her and hold her until the war was over would've done it. He could've maybe even conspired with her subordinates who seemed much more relaxed than her. He had PLENTY of options and yet chose the one that would KILL her. There is literally no coming back from that. There is no way he could know that she would reincarnate which means that he consider his own goals and priorities to be more important than her life. Abandoned Empress and Doctor Elise had their ML killing the MC in their former lives but in those cases their relationship was always terrible, they were enemies in a sense, so it was never an issue of broken trust. This dude was her best friend (we don't know if her lover) and he still stabbed her in the back and cut off her head. I'm sorry but I don't see how that makes him suffered hero material. F*CK him.

    Frankenstein June 22, 2021 5:29 am
    The fact that he's on the cover doesn't mean he's the 2nd ML (Father, I don't want to get married has the dad on the cover along with the ML, same with Abandoned Empress and Daughter of the Emperor, and Stepmot... arebg452

    no one said khalid is a suffered hero material .

    i don’t think him like that. I only stated the reason he did that base on what we read so far. To stop war. And as u can see, stoping a war doesn’t make u a hero. Since like in all other stories, to stop a war, someone or something needs to die . Either the villain or the main lead.

    And what u said considering his goals and priorities to be more important that FL is for sure correct bc they are knights. FL also has her goals and priorities which is we all know what.

    And as far as we know, it didn’t say to the story that khalid ask for forgiveness and redemption for his action.

    I only stated that what i guess is the possible scenario to come in the story. B

    But i still bet that the author make khalid the 2nd lead. Bc i think most author just want to twist the story in a complicated way.