Huh? You mean the cop ?
I mean the underground boxer who literally raped the straight guy ...
He agreed though?
Throughout the chapters we see the “straight guy” wavering with his tactics and giving in to the boxers requests cuz he needs him to sell the property asap Long story short IMO bro agreed to do it. The boxer also said sumn along the lines of “don’t run away this time” if I remember correctly. The “straight guy” wanted to give in to the boxers requests multiple times but “straight guy” never went thru with it. And this time he did … so yeah …
So ??? he still raped that guy y'all fujoshi are annoying as fuck for defending that ...
Whatever you say Anki, don’t read it then :)
also with nonverbal cues that he's not into what's happening, like tensing up and puking, incheol tells pyeonghwa to stop twice in ch. 21. pyeonghwa didn't, so he crossed the line into rape at that point. perhaps you're thinking that only specific actions count as rape, but any unwanted and nonconsensual sexual contact is sexual assault and/or rape. consent is ongoing and revocable. if person A and person B agree to do actions 1, 2 and 3, that does not mean either of them have to do actions 4, 5, and 6. if partway through action 2, party A wants to back out and stop, party B must respect that, otherwise they are in violation of mutual consent. it's pretty simple.
I partly understand your point but I don’t understand leaving almost outraged comments under a Manhwa like other readers.
Wich you also read with your own free will and all.
If you can’t handle it or those topics are extreme trigger points for you-
Simply. Don’t. Read. It!
“It ruined the Manhwa” that’s part of the story plot and realism imo, if you don’t get it, that’s fine.
And also about the rape, if looking at the whole thing.
Yes, he did tell him to stop 2 times I think.
Once because he needed to puke twice because he didn’t want to continue wich he later followed with-just make it quick-
IMO if it wasn’t even a little bit initiated and willing of the bottom he most definitely would’ve knocked him out cold like he did once already.
He also got flashbacks to a bathroom scene with other office men, where one of em tells him -if you’re too proud to get down and dirty…- with a pat on his cheek, implying you won’t get anywhere without abandoning your own principles. Wich gives us a good insight on him (putting it in easy words), loosing his shit over his work.
WICH ALSO BUILDS THE PLOT AND STORY.
Putting this all togheter i think we (maybe just me) get the point of what they are hinting and imply at.
For me personally, this isn’t the most inhumane morally reprehensible thing that happens in manhwas wich leads me to comment so seriously about a piece of fiction like we where in a courtroom discussing someone’s sentence.
Wich leads me to my previous point, if this triggers you to this extend, don’t read it.
I was simply agreeing with Anki that what happened in ch. 21 was rape since you and another reply seemed to think incheol's initial agreement was a blanket assent to everything that followed (which it wasn't). recognizing that doesn't detract from how this rape is used as an inflection point in the story, especially when it highlights a parallel/similarity between incheol and pyeonghwa's situations and characterization.
I think it's worth hashing out because it doesn't do any favors for the "explicitly depicting immoral things in fiction is totally fine and dandy bc we're all adults here who know right from wrong!" crowd to be unable to identify rape, sexual assault, and coercion and see how that might be consequential to characters and their relationships.
people can express their thoughts and feelings about the stuff they're reading here in these comments whether positive, negative, mixed, etc. last I checked, there's no rule saying people had to be nothing but complimentary towards the story. some of us like to engage in critical examination of stuff, especially things that have meat on their bones like this one.
I'm not personally triggered by rape and other immoral stuff in fiction, so I'll go where my curiosity takes me. doesn't mean I (or other people) can't be critical of how it's used or react negatively to stuff, especially when the creator is likely intentionally using those elements to provoke a reaction in the reader.
Yes there are no rules to how you comment on this but I still can't understand why someone would take the time to spread negativity and simply not realize that this manhwa isn't for them and go their own way.
If it was depicted as something to romanticize about without any deeper meaning nor adding to the plot, then fine. Start the sht storm
Discussing these Unmoral things respectfully in the comments? Sure
“…What a waste of pretty art” ?
In what kind of critical examination are we exactly engaging in? I don’t think the author intended for people to talk about their work like that.
It’s like saying I like potato’s but these are tomatoes so I’m mad now.
It’s not your comment that led me to writing paragraphs on here, it’s about the people that think, I don’t like it so it’s a waste.
I would like to end this discussion respectfully now because I don’t know what else to say to get my point across.
gotta take it like water off a duck's back. it's not fun when someone's expressing distaste for something you like but for stuff like this, some people will have a strong reaction and seek some emotional release for it. people have to vent sometimes.
if it's any consolation, regardless of how positive or negative people are being here, I bet the creator wouldn't be happy to see their work here anyways. XD
let's all live and let live ahahaha
they hating on you for calling them delulu borderline homophobic fujoshis our who see queer relationships as fantasies and straight up jump to hatetrain the moment you point out the obvious truth. reading tastes can differ and you can read a BL filled with SA but that doesn't justify that it wasn't SA. i have read BLs with dubcon or SA and found it amusing despite questioning my morals but i do acknowledge that irl i would condemn it and what happened was SA. i won't water it down js bc i liked the story. anyone who points out SA in the story and understands the difference between SA added only for cheap shock value or plot device vs SA as a driver of the story, will immediately have my respect. these people got 0 media literary and take sh** personally alot.
I can’t tell if you read our previous comments nor on what you’re trying to achieve with this comment. Whatever it may be, please just respectfully start another comment about this so I won’t get notifications about it anymore.
Sht rlly isn’t dat deep
Talking bout hating on someone while it was discussed quite normally- Smh
And to believe that Fujoshi would suddenly be a blatant insult to me.
Pointing out the obvious much? Lmfao
girl being a fujoshi isn't an insult but there's some specific type of fujoshis who js don't get what we're talking about and can't ever talk about serious topics. and if you don't want notifs then perhaps stop commenting underneath other people? lmao. i have 0 idea how you're justifying r*pe, it's one thing to like a manhwa despite having SA, bc it's fiction or whatever. but writing literal paragraphs denying the obvious is a reach. anyway, last time falling for your ragebait.
Well it still isn’t that serious for me to comment that this would be a waste. If I like something I also like to defend it when it gets slandered. Didn’t know that this comment section if full of saints that are discovering the internet, BL and fiction for the first time in their lives. AGAIN- if you DONT like it go on with ur day and if possible don’t go out of your way to insult it.
For me and the other person it was the end of the discussion, don’t get me wrong I KNOW that I get responses when I comment but again- this was the end of it
Haha, no. Fujoshi always was a derogatory term, an insult directed at women who worshipped male romances. (腐女子, "rotten girl"). It's true that some people later use it with pride within their communities (around 2015, maybe) but it depends. Fujoshi remains an insult, and it's still used to attack those people.
The problem with saying “if you don’t like it, don’t read it“ all that does is just promote the idea that we should ignore things like harmful depictions of sexual assault and violence in the media that we consume because other people like it or because we don’t like it, but when we do that, it leads to people like you who have definitions of rape that exclude millions in millions of real victims if someone is bleeding and vomiting, they don’t want that they don’t want to be intimate. That’s what that is and when you deny that all you do is justify rape, and all you do is invalidate the real people who either end their lives or have their lives ended in other ways because of that trauma.
The problem with saying “if you don’t like it, don’t read it“ all that does is just promote the idea that we should ignore things like harmful depictions of sexual assault and violence in the media that we consume because other people like it or because we don’t like it, but when we do that, it leads to people like you who have definitions of rape that exclude millions and millions of real victims if someone is bleeding and vomiting, they don’t want that they don’t want to be intimate. That’s what that is and when you deny that all you do is justify rape, and all you do is invalidate the real people who either end their lives or have their lives ended in other ways because of that trauma.
Are you blaming her for the suicid# of people she doesn't even know? XD For deciding to read a manhwa knowing it's dark and adult fiction? You're going to burn yourself out if you leave comments like that on every manhwa that isn't fluff romance.
I can’t take these comments seriously anymore like wtf HAHAHHHHA
It think I’ve explained myself enough.
It definitely IS possible for you to read it again tho…
Lmfaoo
I just came here to check what is the all the hype about just to find out ml is rapist...what a waste of pretty art ..