Feel bad

True, I guess it stems from this internalized shame. It can be linked to so many individualistic aspects. But most common ones are aligned with religious duty and not wanting to view themselves as deranged.

Seeking out this content is fine your not a bad person for that but liking it?? Hell nahhh broo. I mean I’m reading cuz I love Minho. And I like the angst but the rape shit is just buns bro. The story would still be fine without the graphic depictions of rape

Guess you got too lost in the sauce that you forgot MC's name was Jiwook and not Minho

No I actually meant minho. I love my baby so much anyone who reminds me of Minho is Minho.

Thankfully the other dude doesn’t look like that blondie.

Ohh yeah, Minho's a bitch but he didn't deserve all that shit. Fuck Duna, the man child, and the stupid blonde creep. Ew I hate how people glaze the living shit out of the blonde anomaly...

Thankfully, but they're both assssssss

Frrrrr That pissed me for so much in SB, how did the rapists (Doona & Wook) get the best endings while Minho got to suffer??? I swear the author has a personal vendetta against him. His only crime was being an asshole I love him sm ugh

LMAO EXACTLY btw it's been confirmed that Minho was supposed to represent the author's ex or smt and she decided to take our her rage and shit through the manhwa. So weird oml...

I'm a little confused why someone would seek out this content if they didn't like it?

As for liking this, the answers might surprise you. I've been very privileged to hear the 'whys' to someone liking something, and people might be more keen to share if people ask with curiosity rather than judgement.

Some of the reasons I've learned from people was sexual repression, not feeling confident initiating sex IRL, a vendetta against men, and some deeper traumas. The reason of liking fiction isn't a perfect equation. 'I like reading this' doesn't mean 'I want this' (and sometimes it is, but again, the majority of people I've talked to and have been opened about that discussion have not said they wish to be raped or to rape).

I also heavily disagree that people's morals are linked to what they read as some of the worst and most harmful people were into 'pure wholesome' stories .

Oh yeah the author mentioned in the Q & A that Minho’s personality was based on someone she knew irl but appearance was totally different. He wasn’t an ex as far as I’m aware but she def used Minho as a punching bag for her unresolved trauma XD

The content presented here is a revenge story between a rape victim and another rape victim. Now in summary it's a revenge story. There’s nothing wrong with a type of content that can represent the rage of a rape victim and wanting to do the same thing that happened to them to the main perpetrator who did that to them, after all this is fiction. The problem with this story is that, it does not represent rage, and a proper depiction of how a rape victim would act. They instead made the victim another perpetrator and plan to justify such a thing. Not only that, but why such a graphic depiction of rape? Rape is a sensitive topic, implication, representation helps everybody think about how horrifying it is. Instead YOU claim it will help people who are afraid of trying sex? You know that graphic depiction of rape would be their BASIS when doing sex, which actively helps in raising the number of rapists already in the world.

Your first claim is sexual repression. Why in the world should rape help with sexual repression? Doesn’t that make it worse? Sexual repression is one's avoidance of one’s sexual desires out of fear. RAPE, you think RAPE?? Will fucking help? It will erode someone’s fucking mind and WILL think forced sex as actually desirable. My God, there’s smut out here. And you say rape. Trauma is not a justification for supporting the idea of rape. And so does the vendetta against men.

The people you “talked” to aren’t a guarantee that liking this will do nothing. When so many studies from the National Institutes of Health show that fiction does affect reality, a lot, it can manipulate one’s desires, empathy, perception of reality, etc.

Liking fiction is not a perfect equation but the idea of this content is the main reason why liking this story is BUNS. Look at this.
Rape victim getting revenge through rape = Sure, that is a representation, through fiction

Graphic depictions of rape and showing it as desirable = HAHA NO.

And yeah your last claim? Haha no, plain bullshit. Take a look at Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, and Issei Sagawa. What helped them to be such disgusting criminals? Oh, that's right! FICTION. FICTIONAL DEPICTIONS OF SENSITIVE TOPICS. Now where the fuck did you get such a claim that criminals watched wholesome stories? Give me an example my friend. If you're gonna base Issei because of the Hansel and Gretel shit? Haha, the one that kick-started his cannibalism spree is his reading of depictions of cannibalism.

Your claim is the Catharsis Effect my friend, not a bad claim but statistically speaking, the Escalation Effect is the one most likely to happen. This my friend is the effect where predisposed individuals would get desensitized over such a sensitive topic. This my friend supports the idea that this type of media can act as a vocabulary, an imagery to move from thought to action, since the consumers of this media would be desensitized.

If this type of content truly does 'help’ with repression, why do people who consumes these media consistently seek out more extreme, more graphic, and more disgusting versions of it over time?

Me? I have been this type of person. And I’m currently slowly going back to that person I was since I am here. But at the very least I know it's bad.

Ah I believe you've greatly misunderstood me and don't know if it's worth trying to explain because these are not my stories to tell. Firstly, I don't believe I ever said "it will help people who are afraid of trying sex." I never said anything near that rape fiction would help with sex. I said WHY someone might like it. And the answer could be beyond 'I like rape'.

The examples I gave were from personal stories, so I will not repeat them here. Mostly I was giving you a variety of reasons that I've heard of why people sought out rape fiction. But none. And I mean none of the people I've talked to were in support of rape. Ever. Most are able to recognize what consent is in real life. If anything, I get more annoyed with dubious consent, because somehow people have normalized that into the real world whereas a story like Revenge Thinking, there is no dispute that the actions taken here are sick or wrong.
Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.

You also claimed that there are studies from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) stating that fiction does affect reality. I don't disagree. Clear distinction of where fantasies start entering dangerous territory is when 1) you have obsessive thinking 2) you become detailed thoughts on how to bring a fantasy to life 3) It start to hinder your day to day life, etc
Also I did take a look and the same NIH you suggested have studies on rape fantasies, especially for woman, and none of the articles I read demonize the women or even called it a negative, save for one.

Also I side with both the Catharsis Effect and the Escalation Effect, but I don't see evidence that an Escalation Effect is the one most likely to happen. Also, controversial opinion. Desensitization is not always a bad thing if you have proper values and morals. Case and point, a nurse being horrified to work at a burn clinic until they become more adjusted on what to expect.

Lastly, you used examples of serial killers and terrorists. That's a very extreme depiction, and I would still argue that their home life and mental health had more of an impact on them than fiction (I can't even say what fictions they read). You have very real cases like religious figures claiming purity and morality that have abused children. Also, not that you might believe me, but when I said that someone's morals does not equate their actions, I was thinking of my own experience. I will not be detailed, but I had a person that I was close to, who was 'disgusted' by all things sexual. Would call men that were overly sexual trash and that he was a 'safe' person to be around until he wasn't. So no, I believe actions over words.

Some people seek out this content and do need help. I believe the vast majority of people can recognize reality over fiction. I'm glad you're content on whatever journey you are on, and can understand that if you've had a personal experience of how fiction affected you, I can understand why you're passionate. But I don't believe that's everyone's experience. I'll be honest, this was a chunk to write. I'll read whatever you have to say but probably won't continue with the conversation.

I can see here you are trying to be reasonable. But you’re ignoring the actual mechanics of how humans think, the main point of my argument.

Lemme break up yo claims

First Claim: "I don't believe I ever said "it will help people who are afraid of trying sex." I never said anything near that rape fiction would help with sex. I said WHY someone might like it."
Hoe?

You brought up "sexual repression" and "not feeling confident initiating sex IRL" as reasons, if that isn’t an implication that this type of media “helps with these issues, then you actively admit that people use these types of fiction as a fetish for their dysfunctions.

Whether they likey or help them, the results are fucking the same. They’re feeding what’s missing from them with graphic violence.

2nd Claim: “The examples I gave were from personal stories, so I will not repeat them here. Mostly I was giving you a variety of reasons that I've heard of why people sought out rape fiction. But none. And I mean none of the people I've talked to were in support of rape.”

Hunny Bunn are you giving anecdotal evidence? Hun, enough with these, give me statisticss. Your bases are a small circle of people who obviously wouldn’t admit that easily whether they gon commit crimes.

A predator doesn’t go out wearing a shirt i’m a predator, or go on Roblox podcasts saying shits like I like kids.

“People I know” bullshit, that does not amount to anything as a metric for global psychology, cuz that is plainly statistically bullshit.

3rd claim (This my fav one): “Also I do think that dark fiction CAN be a healthy way for SOME people to explore traumatic events without experiencing the event themselves. That's for a therapist to decide.”

Sweetie pie you just dismantled your 2nd claim

I’m just a lil boy (=・ω・=)

Ohh thats messed up but lowk so funny

What the helly this is so well worded

You really said all that only to ultimately admit that you yourself are the type of person to seek out increasingly more graphic material. "Oh, woe is me, I can't help but interact with violent stuff and everyone else is like me..." Okay, so YOU'RE desensitized lol. YOU cannot distinguish the boundary between fiction and reality. YOU'RE regressing into behaviors that are a detriment to your health. Why project that onto other people? I'd say you're the most at risk party here and I feel sorry for you. People say admitting is the first step, but all you've done here is finagle yourself a justification for the indulgence OP was calling out in their first comment.

I don't understand how people can practice what is essentially virtual self-harm, as silly as it sounds, but act like the computer is holding them hostage. TURN THAT SHIT OFF. Saying "wELL aT lEaST I dOn'T LikE iT" is intellectually-bankrupt. We can all recognize that all media affects people differently, but you're putting the responsibility of your own mental health onto the author, other readers, etc. You think scolding people over yaoi is going to save your soul or some shit when you turn out to be the 10% OP described who ends up on LiveLeak watching heinous shit IRL? Not everyone is like you, be serious.

I just realized this isn’t complete. Lemme complete it since NotJax here is clearly fucking stupid.