how are they both red flags when the alpha literally just raped the omega and came in him hoping for a child lol
The omega also used the alpha without Caring for the alpha feelings at the start it's just both are disgusting ... ofc raping isn't the same lvl as what the omega did but still both are shitty
that is not a red flag tho? using the person that stalked and scented you when you told him to leave you alone for like 10 years is BARELY a yellow flag, in fact i think the omega should have pepper sprayed him with the way he was acting before the story started
I'm gonna need you to read your comment again. Yeah it's 100% agreed upon that seme is in the wrong, but uke really is too. That pepper spray suggestion you made is literally what he should have done, thus you proved against your point. Pepper spraying + confronting is the morally right way, USING someone isn't. I'm not sure how your morale got through that.
i really do not think the uke using the seme is even close to a yellow flag. they both discussed the uke using the semes semen previously, he wasn’t coerced into it and agreed thinking the reality would change if he kept doing it. the reality that he created by changing the omegas secondary gender (although it was an accident.) he wasnt coerced into this, he indirectly made the omegas life like this, he stalked him for 10 years, using him for his semen is like barely a yellow flag in this situation. like it sucks for the seme but he can literally just leave he created this situation by not leaving.
i mentioned pepper spray as a joke but even if the uke used pepper spray rhe seme woukdnt have left because the story literally started off with him flipping the seme over and telling him to leave him alone. confrontation hasn’t been working because he’s been stalking him for 10 years even when he said to fuck off.
Basing whether a person is red/yellow/green/black/whatev flag on another person's extremity is a bit nonsensical don't you think? They're two different persons. And confrontation as in an HONEST, OPEN conversation. Not the punching, "fuck off","im gonna kill you" type, ofc seme wont listen. Throughout the story, there wasn't once a panel where seme truly knew why uke was feeling that way. He only knows they grew apart bec uke was omega whereas he was an alpha, ofc seme would feel lied to and confused, thus partially the reason of his obsessiveness. Don't you start making it seem like I'm siding with seme by saying this, I'm just stating the reason for his actions and why basing the flag of a person on the actions of another person goes beyond my understanding.
i’m using yellow flag because that’s literally what the original comment was. if you don’t fw it idk why you’re here lol that’s what this started from. “also bashing the flag of the person not their actions”??? their flag is that color because of their actions??? i didn’t make it up on the spot, it’s literally just a tool to use to describe someone.
also it really is that simple, i tell you to leave me alone and i PHYSICALLY flip you upside down every time you continue to follow me, that is a boundary and you’re not respecting it and its stalking. you don’t got to baby him, they’re both in college he’s being dense and commited a crime, he should be treated as the freak he is and i side with the uke for taking advantage of his situation. i understand you’re saying you’re not defending the seme but having to be kind and having sit downs with a pacifier with the CRIMINAL who’s been stalking you for 10 years is stupid to me. open ended conversations are good, but you do not have them with people that won’t respect your boundaries in the first place. the seme created the situation and continued to make it worse. the uke using his semen (consensually btw) and the ml agreed and had an option to leave for TEN. YEARS.
like i’m not going to say his actions are good, but if this happened in reality i wouldn’t bash the victim for getting their lick back
I'm kinda done w this convo but I just wanted to add, idk if you've read 'Reverse Thinking', but w your logic, the pretty guy would be a green forest lmao. You let emotions take over your thinking, and it's completely normal. Cya!
how many times did i say that they both consented to talking about the semen situation? and that the seme could leave but he refused to for TEN YEARS? i wasn’t gonna comment but reverse thinking is literally a rape fantasy. rape can literally never be condoned ever??? he couldn’t leave because when he tried HE GOT THE UKE GANG RAPED. don’t pmo these situations are not the same
....because he promised to protect him then, when they got older, he legit abused him?? I'm not saying what he ml did wasn't wrong, but using someone for your own benefit, then throwing them away because you don't need them anymore, isn't....green flag behavior. They're both weirdos. I guess he could be considered a yellow flag, rather then red flag, but they're both abusive towards each other.
Another thing, you said, "He should have pepper-sprayed him for how he was acting," Yet the only thing that man was doing was following him around, like he did when they were kids. He wasn't sexually harassing him or anything; he was just following him around. Now, when he began to do some bullshit like rape, then yes, THAT'S when he should've pepper-sprayed him. However, you're saying that he's "barely a yellow flag" when he chose to turn his back on someone who depended on him because he didn't get to be an alpha even though he still beats ass, so he didn't even NEED to be an alpha to protect him. My statement still stands; they're both some shit.
Okay, okay, last thing after reading all of the responses. The MC never said WHY he decided to cut him off; he just did. Imagine someone you've loved all your life who promised to protect you, decided to cut you off, and started to beat the shit out of you. When he first saw the ML after becoming an omega, his first instinct was to throw the flower right back at his face. The ML didn't give a shit whether the MC was an omega or not; he just wanted to stay with him. From what I can infer, the MC hasn't communicated as to WHY he was feeling angry with him; in fact, he had no reason to BE angry in the first place. I'd get feeling pissed about someone still being around you after you tell them to stop, but there is literally NO explanation as to why he cut him off in the first place. If they had talked it out like actual adults, then there is a possibility that whatever the hell kinda shit happened after could've been avoided. I am not defending the ML; he's a sick freak for resorting to rape, but the MC isn't a saint either. Communication is absolutely key.
this is basically what the previous guy said but with more words
i’m gonna split this up into 3
1. never said juhyeok is a saint, he’s probably a yellow maybe even beige flag. he’d be a green flag if he communicated, but he genuinely dosent even need to communicate with su ah he needs to cut him off and get a restraining order.
2. when he promised to protect him, they were both children. i’m assuming secondary genders emerge around puberty so like ages 10-14. a promise you made when you were barely in middle school should not be the reason you look past boundaries as a grown adult. it does suck to lose someone close to you, but su ah is an adult, he is not a child. if you lose a friend from when you’re 14 you move on, i can’t feel sympathy for su ah when he is genuinely acting like a child over an event that happened almost a decade ago.
3. also how did juhyeok abuse su ah? to abuse someone you need to be in there life, he threw flowers at him and never spoke to him again. during that time when did he have time to abuse su ah? is it a mean thing to do, yeah, but you can literally stop being friends with someone for any reason. but abusive? lmao no
4. lmao stalking isn’t that serious? be so fr. “he followed him around like when they were kids” except they are not children, he is a grown man following someone without his permission and smothering him in his scent as if he owns him. yeah stalking is literally “following someone around,” it’s the lack of consent that makes it stalking. i’m not gonna debate you on why stalking is bad if you don’t get that, that’s on you lmao
5. also they were both 12??? he was obviously not going to protect him, they are both children??? it’s not like su ah lost his parental figure or someone that could genuinely jeopardize his safety, they were both children.
6. again, it dosent matter if the omega just starts blowing up on the alpha and telling him to fuck off, he told him to fuck off that’s a boundary and he’s crossing it. id understand if this happened like this year, or even when they were in highschool. the flower scene was from almost a decade ago, the omega hadn’t changed his mind for nearly 10 years, the boundary was set and su ah crossed it. is it mean? yeah, but you literally do not need a reason to cut someone off. if IM uncomfortable then i do not have to continue a relationship because it’s my choice who i’m friends with. and yelling and flipping someone over IS a boundary, he said stop following me and flipped him over. THAT IS A BOUNDARY.
7. they both communicated about the semen situation. su ah knew EXACTLY what juhyeok wanted from him and his expectations that were set FOR 10 YEARS. also he literally (accidentally) created the situation by changing juhyeok’s gender and continuing to smother him in his scent so he can’t handle any other alphas scents. the alternative is he dosent play his sport, su ah created the situation i really do not give a fuck that he has to deal with the consequences
also literally think back on relationships that ended when you were 13, it does suck to lose someone but su ah should have a support system in his life and even if he dosent his lack of support isn’t juhyeok’s problem. you’re 13, everything sucks, talk to your counselor or your mom and move on. they’re both 13!! juhyeok can’t protect him from shit they’re children!! it is mean, but if i cut someone off when i’m a child, and i CONTINUE to not want to be around you as an adult, i’ve already communicated my discomfort with you and you need to leave me alone.
I'm rereading the book now, and I lowkey get your point. I'm sorry if it came across as if I was undermining stalking (as I've been stalked before). I wasn't looking at it from another perspective, and now that I've reread some chapters, there are some parts I've missed. I think the reason I think of him as a yellow flag is that the whole situation they're in is toxic; it started from shit, and there was a specific part as to when the ML was trying to leave, and the MC slammed him against the wall and got down on his knees and started to suck him off, even after seeing his face. I don't know why, but something about that just irked me a bit, so yeah, I think your points were valid. I should've thought of it from a different perspective. I actually want to thank you because I wouldn't have thought of it in that way if you hadn't told me.
it’s all good at the end of the day it’s just a book but it was an interesting conversation to have. juhyeok is very aggressive at times and mean so i get where you’re coming from. if their relationship didn’t have the whole stalking and scenting thing id say juhyeok was a red flag, but i just can’t hate the guy for getting his lick back
if juhyeok had presented as an alpha, he'd be a total alpha chauvinist (presumably the benevolently sexist kind). but ironically, his upbringing and development up to this point is what sets him up for the most success for his goals since he's not just going to roll over and take suah's treatment of his own volition.
this could potentially be more interesting as an alpha x alpha story...
Omg you're onto something! Alpha x alpha would def be interesting (might I ask if u got recs in that genre hehe)9
right, so they're both some shit, what even is the plot...Both r some red flags wtf..