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I never once said that YOU specifically have these fucked up fantasies. I said that the general opinion under this thread shows signs of actually having these desires... by internalizing it you show your insecurity in your knowledge of urself as someone who is mature enough to consume this media without wanting to partake in it. I would be concerned if you weren't an adult reading this TT...

There’s nothing wrong with having fucking up desires if you don’t actually hurt anyone? And you can still want to partake, bc there’s non harmful ways of partaking. Extreme BDSM, CNC, and even just using this as an outlet. I love this media, while I do feel like obvious sympathy for the bottom, my enjoyment of his suffering heavily out weighs that BECAUSE ITS FICTION. I bet every other person in this thread would agree that if they heard of this happening to a REAL LIFE victim, it would be sickening (and well, if they didn’t, then they are fucked up) but enjoying this and having sick fantasies and indulging it because they KNOW it’s fiction does not mean they actually wanna harm anyone. Guess what, I DO HAVE THESE DESIRES! I also have the maturity and mental capacity to know that rape and torture is bad? And no one deserves to go through that? Thats again, why there’s things like CNC, and fantasy like THIS to indulge in. You acting like you’re a psychoanalyst and just because someone expresses that they enjoy fucked up things happening to characters that means they have a hard time separating fantasy from reality? You don’t know anyone in this thread. Many people with rape kinks or fetishes know to separate fiction from reality, MOST do in fact. I’m pretty “desensitized” from SA media bc that’s what I enjoy to read, I can read it without a second thought and enjoy it without guilt. Does that reflect in my real life actions? NO. Because I’m a goddamn real life person. I may have fucked up fetishes but I’m not an idiot, I’ve still been able to sympathize with characters and media that’s not porn and that represents SA in a very real and sad way, I’ve still been able to comfort and cry with my friends who’ve shared their actual SA experiences with me. I can still do that while being “desensitized” to rape porn. And MOST PEOPLE WHO ENJOY THIS MEDIA CAN TO! That definitely doesn’t mean all can, but there’s also crazy hetero girl fujos who can’t separate yaoi from real queer men and objectify and fetishize them? Does that mean every fujo should be condemned? No, bc plenty of them can read and indulge in yaoi and separate it from real life gay men. You can’t assume author or reader intent in anything. Just like it’d be weird for me to assume you have a rape kink just because you’re reading this, plenty of people read it for shock factor or plot or just general interest without being turned on, it’s weird for YOU to assume that anyone who really gets off to seeing a fictional man cry and be tortured wants to do that unconsentually to real men (cause even if they did wanna do it, most of us have the brain cells to just find someone who wants to cnc roleplay and BE tortured?)

I'm not condemning every fujo??? you seem to have taken my sentiment as a personal attack. What I'm stating is that everyone who got offended at me saying I personally find it a little odd to coddle a representation of stockhold syndrome and SA in a almost mocking way ( in my personal opinion ) is showing their deep inability to understand how to separate fiction from reality. The fact is that none of their defenses actually focused on the issue at hand: I felt the comment was insensitive. Rather than address that, they called me a "hypocrite" and made comments as if I'm shunning gay relationships in general ( which I'm not, because I'm a gay man myself ). Its not odd if I find issue in CNC and other controversial kinks, largely because having these desires are odd in themselves. I'm not saying its illegal to have these kinks, but you shouldn't get mad at others for finding them odd and expressing it on the internet. Never once did I say that you in particular are a bad person. What I AM SAYING is that those who chose to deflect from the issue I raised in my comment ARE odd people. I purposely commented under here BECAUSE the comment was sexual in nature, hence why I was concerned. I brought up people who torture others unconsensually because you implied that nobody who consumes this media actually wants to commit these acts, but that's not true? obviously there has to be an introduction to such ideas. Nonetheless, my point still stands: their comment, CNC, and torture are unconventional attractions, aka alternative or "weird". Honestly, if you are offended any further, feel free to suck my dick, because u clearly cant read xx.

Literally the only reason you got called a hypocrite is because you went to something that’s torture porn, and then called people who enjoy it weird. Obviously it’s an unconventional fetish but bro, this is torture porn, ITS THE TARGET AUDIENCE. Lmao. It’s hypocritical bc even tho u don’t enjoy it like that or are turned on, which is fine again plenty of readers aren’t and there’s still like yk some plot and enjoyment outside of the porn aspect, but you’re still here. Reading it. So you really don’t have any place to pass judgement? That’s it. I make no other assumptions about you as a reader or person or anything, and you can’t assume anything about other readers either. Even every other person in this thread. You don’t know anything about them, you don’t know if they can separate fiction from reality or if they’re actually fucked up people and would condemn these acts in real life. And it’s weird of you to take their comments, their comments on literal torture porn that you are also reading, and assume ill intent from them. So yes, while we are a little weird for enjoying this, you are just as weird for being here and reading it as you well and passing judgement on the target audience of the media.

LMAO STOP KILLING THEM

Person at the Devil’s Sacrament: it’s so horrible that all these people are being exposed to and having satanic ideas normalized to them. Except for me. Because I’m special and have achieved nirvana.

mind you, it is the internet. when I am recommended something that I personally find distasteful its perfectly fine, but I do have the right to express MY opinion on the internet: a rather popular opinion in any other thread. You cannot equate enjoying CNC to someone thinking its weird: two completely opposite concepts. The profile of this manhwa does NOT make it seem like its torture porn. It makes it seem like both will either be a. red flags, b. kinky, or c. all of the above. WHAT IT DOES NOT DO is give CLEAR NOTICE THAT IT IS A R@PE STORY. in my original reply to ur comment I said that it is precisely people who SPEAK like those in this thread that are unable to differentiate fiction from reality. you seem to be putting yourself in the same category of people that I'm describing, and clearly cant accept the fact that I've already clarified that I am not directly targeting anyone in my reply. please, I beg of you, do not internalize general statements. Its funny to me that you would even assume that the comments on "literal torture porn" would be lovely and taken in a non serious matter when clearly the manhwa itself isn't silly. it doesn't satirize anything, so I'm not going to expect someone to play dollhouses and tea in the comments. And to say I'm weird for criticizing a target audience is HILARIOUS. If you've never seen someone criticize a fandom before, then you must have downloaded the internet two minutes before my comment. People have opinions, and are allowed to express them. Stop taking shit to heart, you're a grown ass individual, grow up.

Mind you, I never said that reading it was bad. I don't enjoy the manhwa, but you can read it. But you cannot expect others to enjoy or agree with clearly not taking subjects like this seriously. I'm not crucifying you, I'm just saying I find it weird, and calling a clear example of Stockholm syndrome "cute when he's pathetic" after reading tens of chapters where he's being abused and r@ped over and over is just odd. read what u want to, just don't expect others to accept it.

Okay well, I’m turning your advice back on you. Nobody’s crucifying you. They just find it weird that you’re frustrated with the target audience for a noncon porn story. You can say whatever the fuck you want because this is the internet. Just don’t expect others to accept it.

So uh. Don’t take that shit to heart lol!

wow that was really corny never do that shit again

Can’t be any cornier than tryna play hall monitor on some yaoi tbh.

the fact u just think the topics r just "some yaoi" is embarrassing what
nb is playing hall monitor u guys just dickrode me over finding u weird

You’re the one riding lil bro. You’re weird with the rest of us.

Me after reading the entire rape yaoi in one sitting but making sure to shake my head in disapproval at the monitor so god knows I’m not trying to normalize rape or wtv.

I was not only recommended this, but there's also manhwas where the bottom DOESNT take the Bs and the author portrays people escaping toxic relationships. that is a mature way to deal with these topics. LMFAOOO BLAMING ME BCS IM ONE OF THE FEW PPL IN THIS THREAD WITH A MORAL COMPASS IS EMBARASSINGGG HAVE U LOOKED AT ANY OF THE OTHER THREADS

I’m sure that moral compass was spinning all over the place as you hurriedly consumed 39 chapters of rape porn in one sitting.

I'm sure the concept of not being into illegal activities might be shocking and foreign to you but not everyone likes CNC max.

This ain’t even CNC. You’re just waffling now and what does it say about you, that you hustled through all those chapters of “illegal activity”? Do you want the keys to the city for your bravery or something?

nobody asked to be commended? I was simply going to leave a hate comment and u and others felt the need to huddle up on me like ducks wanting bread. enjoying this content and the fact that ur implying I got off to it means I 1. have a rape kink , which, in a legal way, would translate to CNC. hope this helps! fucking idiot