Yall come here to earn your PHD in psychology and sociology by virtue signaling and leave ...

I'm so irritated like chapter 4 was so sexy wtf guys these are cartoon fantasies and obviously bruh doesn't hate it HE KEEPS COMING BACK with no gun held to his fucking head like be so foreal right now LMAOO. unclench yall, it's okay to be horny to this.

God forbit someone actually reads because of the story lmao

I mean read for the plot I didn’t word it right lol

its so hard to not see common comments like "this is rape im dropping" and others or why do you read this do you like rape? I just dont know what to reply tbh

don't let them silence you

You can read it as porn and move on. Getting annoyed that other people think about it more than you do is a bit weird.
Especially when the author spent time coming up with a complex narrative.
The "ugly and annoying" discussion exists because the story gives people something to discuss.
It's okay if u wanna read it with brain off. It's okay if ppl read with brain on.

Frr like stop whining over people actually paying attention to the story

I understand you. But what people do in the comments is saying is that they start to insult you or if you say that you like the manhwa they say “oh so that means that you like rape”? No. Just because i read it doesn’t mean i like rape in real life, its just fanfic still and its authors work. And now i see that they harassing the author now, like relax. They behave like their life depends on it. And that’s what got annoying.

I get what you’re saying, and I agree that people jumping from "you like this story" to "you support it in real life" is annoying and not a good argument. (I myself like the story. That doesn't mean I support the actions within it.)

But that wasn’t really what the original comment was doing. They were not talking about being misrepresented or judged for liking it, they were saying they come for porn, don’t want deeper discussion, and that people engaging with the story’s themes are "annoying" as if they're doing too much. That’s a different point and tone entirely.

Maybe i understood the comment differently but what i meant was that, it can also “be to much” engaging with the story, and thats what we see now in the comments with all people picking characters sides and find whats wrong and whats right to the point its becoming more like arguments and not just discussions. Sure im also a person who read something because of the story and i do some thinking and analysis but i also read it to just enjoy and relax too like a normal book or movie, if i put too much thought into it its not gonna be enjoyable anymore and just using it like its some kind of group project or essay you must have an answer too, cause in the end of the day its just a story. People can argue all they want but its not gonna change anything. and i do agree with the person that the comments is getting annoying now because this site wasn’t like that before and was more enjoyable to read others comments and storys. Now is just people fighting basically and for something that none of us can change, neither the story or the author. So my point is you can engage with the story but also not forget to enjoy it too which people sometimes forget in this manhwa for some reason and thats way its escalating in the comments. Dont know if that helped you understand more of what i meant (English is not my first language)

And to be real those comments nowadays is getting actually more psychological and stuff instead of thinking it and read it as yaoi just like any other yaoi manhwas/mangas thats why its getting “annoying”

I understand what you are meaning. My point is that it’s still not the same thing as the original comment.
You keep shifting the discussion toward "people take fiction too seriously," "fandom discourse is exhausting," or "it's nice to just relax and enjoy the story," but that’s not what I was responding to.

The original comment wasn’t criticizing harassment, moral policing, or people accusing readers of supporting rape. I would agree with you on those things.
The original comment was specifically mocking people for engaging deeply with the story at all. They literally said they "come for porn" and "I'm built different I guess" and framed anyone discussing the themes or dynamics as "annoying," "virtue signaling," or trying to earn a "PHD in psychology and sociology."
That’s the part I responded to.

There’s a difference between [people are becoming too aggressive and hostile in discussions] and [people thinking deeply about the story is annoying because I personally come for porn and read with my brain off.]
Those are not the same argument.

You’re talking about fandom behavior becoming toxic. I’m specifically talking about someone dismissing all deeper discussion as pretentious or pointless just because they personally only read for porn.
Nobody is forcing them to analyze the story. But acting like other people are weird or ruining the comments just because they engage with the narrative differently is what I disagreed with. Especially when the author clearly wrote a story full of power imbalance, dependency, consent issues, and psychological conflict on purpose.
People discussing those themes is a completely normal reaction to the material itself.

And honestly, saying "it’s just yaoi" doesn’t really work when the story itself heavily centers around coercion, biology, trauma, consent, and emotional dependency. The author intentionally wrote complicated material. People are obviously going to react and talk about it.
Also, I’ve literally seen u debating morality and character behavior in other comment sections too, so acting like people analyzing the story are uniquely "being too much" feels contradictory.

Btw, your English is really good. I think u did a good job explaining your thoughts, so dw about it!

Im not talking about myself though and i know i talked about it too. But im just responding about how it can be for others who is here just to enjoy the story or the art or the “porn” without having to explain and argue with people all the time on how things should and shouldn’t be in the story or the characters. Im not against of analysis and with story like i said i also do it. And what i meant with just yaoi is that is literally what we all here for, to read yaoi and just enjoy it but with what i see now seems more the opposite at this manhwa atleast and i know thats just not me who thinking that. and i know that is not the same things you talking about but i still wanted to add that cause its also effecting and what the person meant with “annoying” and “psychological” about the comments. Maybe we see things from different perspectives or you answering one point and i another point. Thats all. Anyways im not here to argue or anything if the person thinks so then be it i guess.

You were replying to a different point than the one I was making the whole time. If u wanted to add onto the original commenter’s point about fandom discourse in general, that should’ve been directed at them, not framed like a response to my argument. Also, saying ur not talking about yourself doesn’t really match how u brought in ur own experience in ur 1st reply with how u engage with the story to support ur point. And your original message was still broadly criticizing people who analyze or discuss the story in depth as making the comments "annoying" or unpleasant, which includes the same behavior I've witnessed u participate in that u have confirmed yourself. That comes off inconsistent.

That said, I want u to know I don’t feel negatively toward u. You have stayed respectful the whole time. I just disagree with how the point was framed in this discussion.

Yeaaaah if you can't obviously see my point was exactly what MM is referring to then you've entirely lost the plot and point of my post. I am exactly referring to "people take fiction too seriously," "fandom discourse is exhausting," or "it's nice to just relax and enjoy the story," it seemed clear as day that that's what I was referring to lmao. Like look at how shitty, negative, and toxic this comment section is like holy shit yall close the tab if you hate everything about the plot soooooo much. People go too far in their judgements these days, it's not just plot critiques it's full on judgment calls now.

Then that still doesn’t line up with how your original comment was framed.
You didn’t just say "fandom discourse is getting too hostile" or "people take fiction too seriously." You specifically mocked people for engaging deeply with the story by calling it "virtue signaling," "coming to earn a PHD in psychology and sociology," and then saying u "come for porn" acting as if everyone else is apparently doing too much.
Those are two different points.
If your issue was specifically harassment, moral policing, or people attacking readers/authors personally, then I would’ve had no issue from the start. But your original comment came off broader than that and dismissive toward analysis/discussion in general, especially with the whole "I’m built different" and "I come for porn" part.
So when you now say your point was about fandom toxicity and people taking things too far, that’s completely different from how the original comment actually was framed and the tone it took. Your wording sounded nothing like "people are being hostile" and more like "people analyzing the story deeply are annoying."
There’s a difference between [toxic harassment and moral policing] and [people critically engaging with the story’s themes]
I was only defending the second one.
You also can’t really frame something in a very specific way and tone, then later treat it like it ppl should interpret in a completely different way. The way something is worded matters, especially in a comment like that where ur phrasing is clearly coming off as dismissive toward people engaging with the story, not just criticism of toxic behaviour.
If the intent was only about fandom hostility, that’s fine, but ur original wording doesn’t really communicate that at all. That’s where this disconnect is coming from.
And like I said in my first reply to u specifically, you can read it as porn and move on. It's okay if u wanna read it with brain off. It's okay if ppl read with brain on. Who cares if ppl interact with the story differently or comment differently. Your original comment didn’t need to be mocking toward people who engage with the story differently. You can say you read it for porn without dismissing other people for analyzing and getting deeper into it.

speak on it!

Exactly the way he said it is like he hates it when people takes the story seriously and the way they're framing it as people who enjoy it likes rape like no what you’re saying is a different topic

True true. The other replies mentioning how some ppl assume readers support rape is a totally different discussion from what the first comment was talking about.

I agree with youuu. Some people actually read to dissect and some read for the porn and some read for both. It allows diffrent opinions to emerge but saying that you only come for one thing and belittling other is too entitled. I believe that all stories regardless of the porn or the content are meant to be analysed but also enjoyed. Why else would you read it if not for that? Saying that they were built diffrent is saying that everybody else is just finding something to complain about. Im sure the author would love to hear people's opinions on the characters because there is always a goal for readers to have a conversation. There is always the need for the protagonist and the antagonist. ╮(￣▽￣)╭