Instead of being delusional like coco x agott and Olly & Qifrey is gay, looks at the recs below shipping is very harmful and not jist for fun. Its just bringing hate to the gay community.
Commenting this again
I need you all to take a look at this instead of being delulu. I dont have anything against those normal readers of this but the one always calling it gay. I will always call you all out.
If you all obsessed with gay so much then at least read and watch actual gay stuff in it. This is all non BL
Kamisama no iutoori (two parts) - canon gay characters is in love and I mean canonically always confessing their romantic love for the mcs
Kamisama no ekohiiki - shoujo gay manga. Endgame is mlm. Both manga and live action is gay as fck. Just read the wonderful synopsis
Sakura card capture - gay side couple. Touya x Yuki.. Love the anime
Marriage Toxin - canon lesbian character. Even homophobics know oys kinda gay
Shitsuren Karuta - Jdrama that have one main gay role. Also played by Nishigaki Sho from Minato laundromat
Koi to Uso - canon gay character have a crush on mc
Hannibal - watch the TV show.Another Not bl but in love. Also add that creator confirm he is pansexual so I hope this time shipper never speak the name of hannibal.
Also read this too
https://www.reddit.com/r/boyslove/comments/178fa7r/bl_side_couples_in_nonbl_series_can_we_talk/?solution=ad2faae2f0ddaab4ad2faae2f0ddaab4&js_challenge=1&token=7afd7253fec22262ff1c52b1703fe9ec443c46bc0631763eef8c5a7a235108d4&jsc_orig_r=
https://mydramalist.com/list/45Gl0joL
Damn bitch its not that serious let people ship characters
Who spit in your breakfast, bro
Wow you're so hateful for like.. no solid reason? Let the ppl be delulu and ship whoever they want... They literally aren't causing any harm to anyone
Being delulu (as u yourself mentioned a lot) actually implies that it's all in the person's head, like they can't physically force you into something like believing what they believe
Chill out(〜￣△￣)〜
ts frying meyou cant be calling people delusional for associating wha with queer media and then give recs for "gay stuff" like cardcaptor as if qif and olly arent moving the same way touya and yuki were. and also recommending marriage toxin for its one canon lesbian character as if wha doesnt have a canon gay couple. love cardcaptor and very much interested in getting into marriage toxin but u cannot deny the queer themes in wha
I wonder who made you the authority on this? Are you the chosen representative by the queer community or what?
Going through your other comments, it's clear you believe the things you like, the things you believe are superior. Are you 13 years old? Because otherwise, I cannot fathom why a grown person would barge into communities they don't even like and push their opinion onto other people.
Let me be the one to tell you the age old rule. It's don't like, don't read. If you don't like the way a certain creator handles things, don't consume their work.
You're doing a hell of a lot more "damage" to the queer community by prancing around and telling people they can't ship certain characters and "kindly" recommending works with actual queer characters "they should read instead" which they didn't even ask for.
I'll take it a step further and say you're harming those works too, because there are probably some people who'll ignore/hate then just because someone who enforces their unwelcome opinion on others (you) like it.
And let's not mention the existence of headcanons and fanworks, which have definitely been around longer than you (regardless of you being 13 or 50). If someone believes a character is gay, then they're gay, it they believe they're straight, they're straight.
Even if a creator does not confirm some things, readers are supposed to interpret what they read. It may be different to each one, but it's a key aspect of reading, and there's no right or wrong bc people see things through their own lenses. Hell, when it comes to fanworks, even the actual creator's opinion doesn't matter, let alone some stranger who has no relation to it.
The fact that you keep mass commenting on works with characters that have ambiguous/unconfirmed relationships is really baffling to me. They're like that for a reason, and it has long been a way for both queer and non-queer authors and readers to explore different relationship themes.
Stop yucking other people's yums.
If you want to promote queer works you like for the month, do it on the main page instead of putting down other works to do it. It's disrespectful to everyone and if anything, making you look a joke.
You're coming off as homophobic and I don't know if you are, but right now, the actual homophobic straight people are doing a better job by staying in their own lanes.
So please, stop ruining the very month you say you're celebrating for everyone else.
"bringing hate to the gay community" girl this is mangago
Even though I somewhat agree that always shipping characters (especially same gender) can get annoying sometimes, more so when they start to fight for their opinion. Like if someone says "I don't see it" and they're like "it's totally there".
Like with the anime, Erased, people be like "Even the villain was more loyal than the girl" when Satoru and Kayo never had romantic feelings for each other. It pisses me off that they'd insult a character that did nothing of the sort they're claiming.
Shipping doesn't do any harm when people know the story and can differentiate between canon and non-canon. They can enjoy the story however they like, just not force their opinion on others.
not you again! I guess I can't escape the Fun cop, you're the knight moralis for every comic you come across
calm your tits
Dear, are you a lot on 'X'? You sound like someone who has only read the hate comments under every non-canon fan art. You sound really paranoid, trying not to "infringe" a "straight story".
Ragebait used to be believable...
mucho texto, nobody is ready that
Hey! Just a few things I'd like to comment on:
1. "You pour all your time, energy, fanart, money, and hype into shipping straight characters or people who are only ever written as platonic best friends"
Well we don't know if it's written with platonic/romantic intent because we are not the author. Interactions are up to the interpretation of the viewer UNLESS the author explicitly states it's meant to be interpreted in some way.
2. "while completely ignoring or sidelining actual canon gay characters and confirmed queer relationships."
I'd argue that there is a lot of support for canon LGBTQ+ characters and queer relationships (e.g. Yoshiki/Hikaru from The Summer Hikaru Died, Yukito/Toya from Cardcaptor Sakura, Kirara in JJK, Quanxi in Chainsawman, Yuka in Blue Period etc.) -> these queer characters and relationships are quite popular/well loved within their respective fandoms, even if they aren't from a BL/GL.
3. "Genuine representation is already so rare in manga/anime as it is but instead of supporting and uplifting the stories and characters that do give us real, undeniable rep, you give all that attention to ships you made up out of thin air."
I think the growth in popularity for LGBTQ+ characters/relationships only encourages authors to explore and educate themselves more on these types of relationships, and may even incline them to represent them in their work. I believe that part of the reason why authors can't state that characters are outright gay is because 1. of restrictions in marketability - queerness is still seen as taboo in conservative countries like Japan, and that 2. it may interfere with the target audiences of their work (shoujo, shounen, seinen, josei, etc.) Queer representation is generally not a focus in these genres, and therefore not a requirement, unlike BL or GL. If we show that like queer relationships in those genres, then the authors might include them in their work.
However, canon rep does not always mean good rep either. The reason why shippers love "friend" dynamics in romantic ships is because the friendship between the two characters is what makes the chemistry between them feel real and natural (even if their ship isn't canon.) While often in BL/GL, toxicity and abuse are often glorified, and frankly so many couples with NO chemistry end up together just because they are gay and are supposed to be canon. It is only representation because it's a gay relationship, not because they represent how queer couples actually are. People outside the LGBTQ+ community consume this media, and then believe that that is the norm for ALL queer relationships, leading to fetishization and stereotyping of queer people. I think that that is more damaging to the LGBTQ+ community more than anything else.
4. "You turn queerness into a headcanon accessory, not something real people live. Actual queer people see this and it makes us feel invalidated, trivialized, or like our entire identity is just a “toy” or a trend for your entertainment."
In my opinion, BL works invalidate queer experiences more than shipping does. The usual audience of BL are fujoshis (women/girls) and therefore a lot of BL works will be geared towards them. This often means BL creators will stereotype, fetishize, and disregard real aspects of gay relationships for the sake of appealing to a female audience (e.g. gender roles - uke/seme, hyper-sexualization of characters, and romanticization of toxic/non-con dynamics, etc.) It is in this instance where queer people are just a "toy" for people's entertainment.
Considering you avidly glorify abusive/non-con works such as POTN and BJ Alex, it's clear that you do not care for good, realistic, representation of gay people in media. You perpetuate these stereotypes of queer people and are part of the problem.
5. "It spreads hate and hostility toward the whole gay community Because you guys force ships onto straight characters or normal friendships"
In this case, sexualities of WHA characters are not explicitly stated or shown (except for Galga/Atwert). If it isn't confirmed that the characters are gay, then by association the characters aren't confirmed to be straight either. Gay ships are only forced if you held the characters to a heteronormative standard beforehand.
You hold every "romantic" interaction to a heteronormative expectation. You are basically insinuating that any intimate gestures can only be considered romantic when they are between straight characters. You question the validity of queer interactions/relations in media because refuse to believe that authors would purposefully write LGBTQ+ people into their work, other than to "queer bait" their audiences. You are doing more harm than good because you're inferring that queer people can't exist in a manga where they aren't the focus of it (while saying straight people can). This pushes LGBTQ+ people into a label where they are not considered "normal" or "the status quo." If we want to be more accepting of queer people, then we must realize they can and are allowed to exist in ALL spaces, even when their existence isn't explicitly stated.
6. "All because you can’t tell the difference between “canon gay” and “two guys being nice to each other.” "
People shipping characters does NOT mean they are canon. NO ONE has ever said that their projection/interpretation of a character's relationship is canon. There may be intimate moments, but really it just opens the door to implication. Implication indicates that a relationship could be a possibility, again: to the perspective of the reader, but again nothing is confirmed so it is not the same as canon. I think people who do say "omg they're so canon" are just joking, and shippers (people who are known to analyze every and any speck of character interaction) know the difference fact from fiction so I'm not too sure what you're so worried about
Anyways, I have some more things to say but this is getting a little too long LMAO and I doubt that you'll actually read allat just pls be more mindful of what you really are saying and how u act (especially the spam?? we heard you the first time bro
Loved the analysis. (▰˘◡˘▰)
Thought this long ass rant was gonna be about Coco x Qifrey shippers, but it's Olly x Qifrey??? You need to get off twitter. Olly x Qifrey is not invalidating and erasing gay rep. That's silly.
This bit also makes me wonder how far you've even read:
"Let me make this rule crystal clear once and for all: You can only use that argument if she has actually written and drawn a confirmed, canon gay character or relationship into her manga."
There is a confirmed canon gay couple in WHA, Galga and Atwert. There's no way you wouldn't know that if you've been reading as their storyline is an important part of the most recent arc and will likely continue to show up throughout the rest of the manga.
Not to mention, using a CLAMP work as an example of totally canon gay couple is funny. Olly x Qifrey is about as canon as any of CLAMP's many ambiguous gay relationships. Even Touya and Yuki's relationship is largely shown as heavy subtext and implications. Really not that far off from Qifrey and Olly's relationship - a relationship that has been stalled by Qifrey's condition, mind you!
TO EVERY WITCH HAT ATELIER SHIPPER ESPECIALLY COCO X AGOTT & OLLY X QIFREY DELULUS
You guys run around screaming “IT’S HEAVILY IMPLIED IN THE MAIN MANGA!!” like that alone is some kind of proof, like that is enough to call Coco x Agott or Olly x Qifrey an actual, real, canon gay ship. It is literally always the exact same line from you people, over and over again… and when we ask you for actual, solid proof something undeniable, something written clearly on the page, something that cannot be twisted or explained away like can be spin ass just friendship ? YOU HAVE NOTHING. Zero. Zilch. Nada. It’s only ever “it’s implied”, “the vibes are there”, “you just don’t see it”, or “the author supports it!” That’s it. That’s all you got.
And don’t even try to come at me with “but the author isn’t homophobic!” or “she’s an ally, she loves the queer community!” as your big justification. NONE OF THAT automatically makes something a canon gay ship. That literally means nothing, it changes nothing, it doesn’t turn subtext into reality. Let me make this rule crystal clear once and for all: You can only use that argument if she has actually written and drawn a confirmed, canon gay character or relationship into her manga. KEY WORD: CANON. Not “implied”, not “open to interpretation”, not “you can read it that way if you want.” Canon. Explicit. Undeniable. Until that happens, all your “implied” garbage means absolutely nothing.
Once again, I will bring Kaneshiro Muneyuki as the perfect example of how it’s actually done, because he set the standard and nobody elseespecially not Witch Hat Atelier is even close. I’m honestly not even that harsh on Blue Lock shippers compared to every other fandom, and it’s for the same reason: the author is obviously an ally, you can tell he genuinely supports and respects the community. (Even though I personally don’t ship anything from it ‘cause I’m not delusional, and the only thing I will call out is Rinsagi shippers… purely ‘cause I hate Isagi, lmao.)
Kaneshiro really didn’t have to do anything gayshit. His prequel is already have fans. Once again Kamisama no iutoori is a horror death game. This isn’t some soft slice-of-life or romance series or something like this manga where once again like Harry Potter delulu gay shipper flock to ship delulu sjit! But he went and wrote Ushimitsu’s entire character around romantic love for Akashi anyway. He didn’t do “implied”, he didn’t do “maybe it’s friendship”. Ushimitsu literally confesses over and over again, his every action, every choice, every single thing he does exists only because he is in love with Akashi. You CANNOT twist that into “just a close friendship” or “just platonic feelings” or “loyalty” no matter how hard you try. There is zero room for debate, zero “what ifs”, zero ways to spin it. That was straight-up, 100% canon gay representation, done right, no baiting, no games.
And that’s the huge difference too: Horror fandoms and delulu gay shit don'tintersext intersect like compared to sports fandoms, harry potter shit and BL