And I said way before that I'm not denying what you thought.
But we were just talking if it was rape or not so pls inform yourself what's consensual sex and not because such comments are triggering.
And I said way before that I'm not denying what you thought.
But we were just talking if it was rape or not so pls inform yourself what's consensual sex and not because such comments are triggering.
Um... Go be triggered elsewhere? I'm not going to tiptoe around you. There is nothing to "inform" myself about, i know what consensual sex is, i just disagree with you that this wasn't. You seem to think that words are the end-all-tell-all, but i think emotions and intentions are what matter and i think that Bum wanted sex with Sangwoo even if it hurt. I also don't think Sangwoo really knows how to do anal. Lets make the comparison you made earlier, Sangwoo and Bum's uncle, there is a clear difference in how Bum feels about them and how he reacts to the thought of sex with either of them. If we know for a fact that Bum doesn't want sex with his uncle and he acts like that, but isn't the same around Sangwoo, what does that tell you? Yes, Bum says all those things, but it pretty clearly shows that he wants the sex.
Also, we weren't "talking about if it was consensual sex"... What happened was that a small portion of my response to you mentioned how everyone views the sex scenes as just rape, it wasn't even the focus of that response, and you immediately jumped my ass about "it was rape" and now "inform yourself about what consensual sex is" and "this is triggering"... I think you should see the issue here, and it's not me... The focus of that response was "i think you're applying the normal scale of hurt to them when that is normal to them", i then went on to explain that Bum has gone out of his way to hide his pain, which'd explain why Sangwoo hasn't changed how he has sex. I VERY briefly mentioned that people say it's rape, it was a passing thought. You also haven't really given me any reason to side with your belief, i KNOW the story, i know what was said and done. It's not ME ignoring things, it's you ignoring how, despite all these happenings Bum still treats him like his bf, was still blushing/panting/yelling Sangwoo's name during all of the sex scenes, etc. You're ONLY looking at the words, not his behavior, i'm taking it ALL in.
Bullshit. YOU need to see the issue here.
The reason is obvious. Bum loved Sangwoo because he saved him in the military, Bum is not fine when Sangwoo is hurting him nor does he like the real, abusive Sangwoo.
He said no which means no.
"But it pretty clearly shows that he wants the sex".
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/81/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/82/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/87/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/112/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/113/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/115/
Where?? Are u blind?
And you've just proven what I meant.
People can experience orgasms during rape.
That doesn't mean that they wanted it. It's how the body works.
Consensual sex means that the involved gave content.
Bum never gave content.Period.
*consent
I'm also not ignoring anything, you've fallen into Koogi's trap of believing that it's romantic or healthy which it isn't. It's abusive a physically, sexually and verbally way. The last time it happend in the story was like, a few days ago. Sangwoo now changing doean't mean he's Bum's bf. Nothing can change the fact what he did to Bum and he'll realize it after his flashback, with how he remember that his mom loved his father even though he abused her.
*in a
You're cherry picking, here, i'll point out the parts that make it obvious that Bum wanted the sex even though he was acting like he doesn't... Also, to be clear, i KNOW that an orgasm doesn't mean it was consensual, that is a strawman. My argument was that it WAS consensual.
1. In ch 35, here: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/147/
2. http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/148/
3. http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c035/153/
This is what i was talking about when i said you're ignoring things, cherry picking scenes doesn't help your argument when i can go through the same scene and find evidence to DIRECTLY contradict what you're saying. Bum gave consent, just wordlessly. You know how you can allow people to do things without talking? The same applies to sex and before you say it... No, it's not because he didn't stop him that it's consensual, it's because he wanted it and because he wanted it he didn't stop him. Again, my argument is that it WAS consensual, nothing else.
In addition to what i said above, if you go past page 115 (the farthest you seem to have read of a scene that literally goes on to page 160...), you'll notice that it seems like the reason he's saying "no!" and stuff is because 1. They're outside, that seems to be a huge problem to Bum as, as soon as they're inside he's panting and yelling Sangwoo's name. And 2. Because of what i had said earlier, Sangwoo just went in without preparing him. He doesn't know how to do anal.
I'll also cover the scenes in ch 20 and 43.
In ch 20:
1. Sangwoo goes to pull out and Bum says "N-no!": http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c020/pg-4/
2. Yelling Sangwoo's name: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c020/pg-5/
It isn't until he finds out it's a dildo that he gets upset, this implies he was okay with the pain if it was Sangwoo inside.
In ch 43:
1. it's Bum that initiates the sex here: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-22/
2. He literally just starts sucking Sangwoo off: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-23/
3. Calling Sangwoo's name: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-24/
4. He starts jerking off to Sangwoo: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-43/pg-27/
This scene is again, just Sangwoo not doing it right, he just goes in and it hurts.
I can't take you seriously, I just can't. Fucking disgusting.
"In Chap, here:" Are u deaf? I said before that ppl can experience orgasms during rape. Sangwoo told him to shut up because he knows that what he does to Bum is rape.
"In addition to what i said above, if you go past page 115 (the farthest you seem to have read of a scene that literally goes on to page 160...), you'll notice that it seems like the reason he's saying "no!" and stuff is because 1. They're outside, that seems to be a huge problem to Bum as, as soon as they're inside he's panting and yelling Sangwoo's name. And 2. Because of what i had said earlier, Sangwoo just went in without preparing him. He doesn't know how to do anal."
Uh, no? That asshole slapped and punched him and didn't stop when he tols him to stop, ofc he wouldn't want to have sex when that guy just abused him. Jesus Christ.
"Sangwoo goes to pull out and Bum says "N-no!":"
No, Bum said no because Sangwoo said "I guess you were acting like you wanted me".
" Yelling Sangwoo's name:"
Doesn't matter, Bum's emotions give no consent as he tried to escape several times before, but the BPD, Stockholm Syndrome and Abuse fucked him up.
"It isn't until he finds out it's a dildo that he gets upset, this implies he was okay with the pain if it was Sangwoo inside."
That also doesn't matter, he stopped giving consent when he backed away.
"it's Bum that initiates the sex here"
He wanted to pay back the money.
"He literally just starts sucking Sangwoo off:"
Same as above.
"Calling Sangwoo's name"
He tried to cheer him up.
"He starts jerking off to Sangwoo"
We don't know what he jerked off to, that's your own headcanon.
Like, I said, it wasn't consensual and the way how Koogi drew Sangwoo's face and then him smiling while Bum screams shows it. He didn't give a fuck about giving Bum pleasure. The BJ in the new chapter was the first time where he had intentions of giving him pleasure(well to not make him leave). But that above? Yup.Rape. Not even starting to talk how he bit his neck, making him bleed.
I'm sorry for coming off so rude, I just hate Rape Apologists.
"fucking disgusting", okay if you're going to start being a bitch you can go. Catch this block and in the future try not to be such a pretentious sjw cunt.
Sorry for being so rude, i just hate illogical sjws who disregard the details that don't fit their narrative.
You literally just said nothing i brought forward matters, even though literally all of it clearly shows Bum wanted the sex. You then just speculated on how Bum feels. "of course he doesn't want to have sex with him". Lol. Okay, well the evidence i gave that comes AFTER the punch says otherwise. He said "N-no" when Sangwoo went to pull out, clearly. Literally it shows Sangwoo go to pull out and he says "N-no" and then starts moaning when Sangwoo thrusts back in... You're delusional. You're literally just saying things aren't how they are. I thought, despite noticing how much of an sjw you are early on, that i could talk and show you explicit evidence, but you're even denying that. My mistake, your kind can't be reasoned with.
"of course he doesn't want to have sex with him", bitch, he's obsessed with Sangwoo and has a mental disorder that makes him extreme... He's obsessive. He doesn't CARE if it hurts or if he's punched.
bitch u thought lmao.
Guess your sorryass can't handle someone proving you wrong.
Block me after my answer again if you're that pathetic.
"Sjw cunt" lmaooo whut, I just hate assholes like you excusing rape.
"buh muh sangwoo can't be a rapist he so hot, but bum uncle ugly so he rapist buh" lmao.
"You literally just said nothing i brought forward matters, even though literally all of it clearly shows Bum wanted the sex."
Are you pretending, or are you retarded? He said no, don't and stop several times.
"He said "N-no" when Sangwoo went to pull out, clearly. Literally it shows Sangwoo go to pull out and he says "N-no" and then starts moaning when Sangwoo thrusts back in... You're delusional"
You seem to be the delusional one. He simply answered him.
"You're literally just saying things aren't how they are. I thought, despite noticing how much of an sjw you are early on, that i could talk and show you explicit evidence, but you're even denying that. My mistake, your kind can't be reasoned with."
What even?? He didn't give consent, that's canon, that's how Bum wrote it and yet you're bullshiting with you fujoshi bitchass and act like he wanted it. LIKE I SAID PEOPLE CAN EXPERIENCE ORGASMS DURING RAPE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WANTED IT.
"bitch, he's obsessed with Sangwoo and has a mental disorder that makes him extreme... He's obsessive. He doesn't CARE if it hurts or if he's punched."
Doesn't care?? If he doesn't care if its hurts, then he wouldn't scream "No!" and "Don't!".
Doesn't care if he's punched??
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c004/13/
Yeah bitch, sure looks like it.
Bum is no fucking machine or toy. He has a major inferiority complex and always thinks that he is at fault. He still clearly ain't okay with getting raped and abused.
And yet I said sorry to a bitch like you. Just block me. Don't even answer me. I don't want to get infected with your retardness.
*that's how Koogi wrote it
It follows the story's buildup well. We've reached the point where Bum is really important to Sangwoo and now he's being more obvious about it. It's as he said, he thought Bum would like his "present" and didn't want Bum to hate him. He left originally because he was upset that Bum didn't like it and then came back because he was worried Bum would hate him more if he stayed away any longer. I think people got so used to reading into everything early on that now that Sangwoo is literally saying how he's feeling no one believes it's true or they try to read into it. People keep waiting for the big surprise even when crazy shit happens. Bum's uncle was just killed, we saw Bum go a little crazy and we just saw Sangwoo cut up and dispose of Bum's uncle's body while Bum was watching a movie, but people are still thinking that Sangwoo is up to something despite all that just happened and Sangwoo's behavior being supported by the buildup of the story. Their relationship has changed. A lot. He's willing to blow Bum now, judging by his struggle with that earlier, that's a pretty significant thing. I think it means he's finally 100% on board with his feelings for Bum, he's even talking about how he feels out loud, that's crazy.