Yes, MC, fuck them up. Fight these cliche tropes and be your own genre.
MC MAKE THESE COUPLES BREAKUP AND MAKE UR OWN GAY HAREM daawngggg
I seriously want Cirrus to have someone besides Skylar in his life ;-;
If that was the case, then Cirrus would sink deeper than he already is. Cirrus has attachment issues and trauma of being left behind. He can't be honest with people because of his trauma, and Skylar is the only person he's met has accepted him for who he truly is and without backhanded concerns and unnecessary pity.
You need to realise that Skylar has his traumas too, and can't be the therapist of Cirrus.
I SRS wanna tell you how wrong you are but na jieun already got that covered
I think both of you can't read. Where did I say that Skylar had to be the therapist of Cirrus? I'm literally saying that I hope Cirrus gets to heal to trust another person and let them inside his life. Please have reading comprehension.
Here we go with an ad hominem attack. Log off the internet if you easily get annoyed at people's differing opinions Miss/Mr.Snowflake
You did right to not write a reply and waste your time. That person (the OP) can't stand differing opinions.
I'm pointing out that you're twisting my words and there's no need to call me snowflake. You're a kid for saying for me to log off. You can have a different opinion with reading comprehension but in this case, you have none to spare I'm afraid
Lol, do you read what you type. It's ironic how you say that there is no need to call you a snowflake, when you legit got pressed by a differing opinion, and told us that we can't read.
As I said, log off the internet if a harmless opinion gets you annoyed. Nobody twisted your words, you have a persecution complex
You really don't understand do you? I just said I want Cirrus can have someone else besides Skylar in his life meaning I don't want Skylar to be the therapist of Cirrus. It's easy to understand if you comprehend. You can read but doesn't comprehend. That is my point. Even now, you can't process it.
It's so obvious that you get easily pissed off by differing opinions and when you have nothing intelligent to counter the arguments of others, you rely on logical fallacies. I refuted your initial/original comment, but got at defensive
....your brain has the size of a peanut. I guess there's no need to talk to you. It's like talking to a wall. You have such a low reading comprehension.
Lol! Typical weak ad hominem attacks. It's fine. There is no need to be embarrassed because you got caught of being easily agitated and pressed because people disagree with you.
Little advice: go to Twitter and discord where you will have your fun
Meh, I just don't want Hatano with our MC. I want a whole ass harem of guys chasing his ass and seeing him try to fight it. I'M A SADIST.
I don’t want MC to end up with one dude, I need a whole harem for him. Still though! I want him to be happy and get what he wants in the end!
I'm glad he didn't become the second ml, more like a chaotic wingman lmao
IM NOT GLAD!! （TДT)
Shima is such a sulky patootie. It's refreshing how he acts immature around her lol.
Shouldve have known that it will have this problem ever since Aqua said his type is Ai
Sikes alabama
This is so ridiculously cliche but I binge read this. From their ages to their appearance, MC's nonexistent spying skills and just a whole load of plot armour. I kept reading though.
Eclise is angry at this situation. He's from a land that was defeated, he watched his family and his countrymen die and now he's a s*ave. There's this woman who tells him she wants him to be hers and gives him things, but her eyes are dead when she talks to him. She demands his attention, his love, his devotion without giving anything in return. Now think about this, due to the game that they are in his stats are starting to rise even though he doesn't like Penelope or this situation. But he starts to love her.
During his time with Penelope, he's left alone the majority of the time. Penelope breaks her promises with him almost all the time. Outside of one or two incidents where she helps him, he's mostly seen as a punching bag for the other knights of her household. He can't fight back, he can't speak out, he can't do anything because of his status as a s*ave. He's also the youngest character in this story, so it's kind of depressing to see him in a constant amount of pain just to prop up Penelope.
Prop up sounds weird, but that's exactly what happens. Due to a mixture of the game brainwashing and Yvonne's brainwashing, Eclise becomes obsessive with Penelope. He wants her for himself and wants to help her, since she's always has dead eyes whenever he sees her.
He ends up dying after Penelope casts him aside. The way she does it is meant to come off as a boss bit*h moment, but it's so cruel when you remember that he's a young kid who is desperately trying to hold onto the only person who is kind to him, even when that kindness has ulterior motives. He has no one else, because they're all dead. Then, he's brainwashed.
The way Penelope and the story treats him made me angry. Penelope is told on multiple occasions that she looks dead when she's talking to people and yet everyone loves her. Why? I get if they pity her, but why love?
And that is why I have an issue with the story. There's a scene where Yvonne just tells Penelope that if she told Eclise that she likes him, he would have calmed down. But Penelope says she wouldn't do something so hateful.... meanwhile I'm here thinking "If you knew that this was going to help you get to 100% you would have done it in a heartbeat, because you don't care about anyone in this story."
Yvonne calls her out on this and pretty much calls Penelope a hypocrite, but the story keeps hammering in the point that Yvonne is wrong and Penelope is right and that's the way it is. So tell me, why is it wrong for Yvonne to brainwash people, when the game allowed Penelope to do something similar in order to save the world? I get that Yvonne wants to destroy the world, which is bad, but if we ignore that part (LOL) what is the difference here?
The way she treats Eclise is manipulative and abusive. She reminds me of those parents who knows that the other parent is abusing their kid, but ignores it. Then they swoop in and say "I'm still here for you." While enabling the abuse to continue. Eclise is not only a s*ave, but a kid and that kind of power dynamic is ignored in favour of writing a yandere character.
I agree with you. I also didn't like Penelope some times. If she knows eclise is the only way she could win this game she shouldn't have rejected him so many times. Can't she be bit nice with him. I know she gave him lots of gifts but did he really ask for that gifts. He was asking for her time and attention
She basically used the heck out of him. If she is a man, I bet everyone would call this a trash story. And now she was shocked since she was put back in her place. She's no different from the villain itself since both are just using the people around them without caring about their feelings imo
I'm 100% agree with you. I might understand it if the one she manipulates is people who used to be abusive toward the og Penelope. But no. It just has to be the poor and innocent Eclise. It always pains me everytime a scene with Penelope and Eclise came up since the way she acts really makes Eclise (even me as a reader) felt lonely and he has been trying to show how he wants her attentions to.
And the fact that she kinda fell for Callisto while doesn't give a single sh*t for Eclise is soo freakin unfair. If she thinks that Eclise is the way to win the game then she should give all her attentions and feelings for him instead.
I think that you're missing something. Penelope did all of that to survive, yes but since we, readers were shown the perspective of other characters would take pity on some of them but Penelope doesn't have the privilege to think of others. She only knows that she was isekaid to a game in HARD MODE, that if she made even a tiny bit of mistake can lead to her death from the game and from the world she thinks she originally came from. She had bared in her mind that everything in that game is not true, they're just characters from a mere game. I bet everyone of us would do the same if it's to survive. She just chose to be kind to Eclis so he will not end up killing her if she did the opposite, like what happened to the game in other mode.
Eclis was bullied by the knights but Penelope showed that she favors him so if they continue that, they will face consequences. If you would just go back and read again, you would see that Eclis' life is better when he was under Penelope's wing than any other SLAVE. He was even thought how to be a sword master, who would do that to a slave. Yet he came to bit his owner's hand, which I think is because of the brain washing of Yvonne.
If anything, you all should just hate Yvonne, or whoever's the one who took over her body. Penelope just did all of that because she know if she did not then she would be dead. All she can think right now is how to survive and not build a love story with Eclis.
Oh? Eclis died? He didn't did he?
I mean in the later chapters at the end, Pene even helped him to reunited with his people tho, or am I wrong?
The part where she is already married and have a child with Calisto. She saw Eclise and helped him one last time.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I can't for the life of me justifies the toxic trait of a characters just because of their miserable background. So what if she need to survive? Doesn't mean she has to act like a total psychopath, treating a poor and innocent human as a less than a dog. She can be care and even gave her feelings for Callisto, so why doesn't she share those care and attentions for Eclise too? It's weird that she think of him as the only way to win the game but refused to gave her heart for him, yet she gave it to Callisto who's almost killed her?
And why would i hate yvvone when she hasn't done anything yet? She just came in the recent chapter and she's not the one who manipulates and taking advantage of the poor and innocent young boy just to abandon him.
Sorry, allow me to share my opinion too on your response.
First, Eclis is not innocent at all, nor a victim. He claimed that he is aware didn't he? He used her since she is using him, so he is not innocent. (=・ω・=)
Second, Yvonne, she is taking advantage of Eclis because he wanted Pene himself. Yvonne saw that as an opening... she's smart isn't she? ლ(´ڡ`ლ) also, she can easily kill someone, manipulating someone to her advantage is just kids play.
Eclise is innocent and is a victim up until he planned to betray her. Just as i said, i don't justify any toxic trait of the characters just because their sad background. Eclise is a victim of Penelope, just like how Penelope is a victim of the game. But none of them justify their wrong doings.
And now we should think whether the victim deserved to suffer by the act of the perpetrator? Just like you sympathize with Penelope because you think that she doesn't have any choice when she fell victim when the game forced her to get isekaid. Why can't you sympathize with Eclise who basically also fell victim to Penelope using him? He doesn't have anyone and the only person who kind to him is just doing so to take advantage of him.
And Yvvone haven't even done anything. Eclise said so himself that he thought about killed her off for a second before came to conclusions that bringing her to the duchy would benefits him more. So Yvvone existance doesn't have anything to do with how messed up Eclise has become. He became like that purely because of Penelope.
And i already hate yvvone since the cave arc, but other than scene up until the current arc she hasn't done anything yet.
I have a spoiler warning.
He died at the end.
Both Yvonne and Penelope are selfish people, who used people around them without caring about their feelings. Penelope literally told Yvonne that she's different from her in the novel which is very hypocritical of her. Her goal is to survive. So what? She should take responsibility and be accountable for her actions just like any other person. And now she found out her pawn is not her pawn anymore which caused her to rage.
Fucking brilliant