Amanda's Topics (21)

Yeah right. Bro was happy to fuck her please

Yes and honestly I don't like how this manhwa keeps pushing the idea that he cannot change when he in fact was in no state to consent when isabella slept with him. And he was just sa'd in this chapter. This man may be trash but he's a victim of Isabella in both these cases. He did not cheat, he was sa'd.

Somone gave an extract from the actual novel in the coment section. It was from the chapter where he slept with isabella for the first time so it might take a while to find it. But i honestly recomend reading the coment. It goes into more detail about what he was acc thinking and It just clearly shows how its in his nature to just not be faithful.

First of all he was drunk. Drunk ppl can’t consent to intercourse ?? And then he got sa’d on the balcony nahh it’s too much. I don’t really like him but he doesn’t deserve ts. Atleast not in this life

Exactlyyyy

Yeah he might have been manipulated a bit but bro was not SAd. He just needed that tiny push to go thru with it and and cheat.

He has been blackmailed into sexual interaction?? Which is sa ?? What are you talking about

The novel made it pretty damn clear he was sober enough to consent when he slept with her, someone even posted some of it with his inner thoughts.

Not to mention, crying about "he was sa'd" when he was sober enough to hold a boner, know exactly WHO he was having sex with, and choose to do it (tossed her onto the bed in the novel), is infantalizing him. He made a choice. Alcohol lowers inhibitions, it doesn't make you so horny you need sex with just anyone. Plus the way he treated her and bragging about sleeping with over a hundred women in this chapter all shows his character. Stop trying to make a victim of a shitty man. He simply thought he could get away with the mistake he made while his inhibitions were lowered and it felt like a good idea. Not SA.

I understand your point, and I remember seeing this comment a few chapters ago. But as this manhwa is an adaptation of the novel, I treat them as two different pieces. I remember thinking he really was trash when reading the exact from the novel, but it doesn't change the fact that this novel showed something different. I really felt uneasy reading the chapter she forced herself onto him. I understand that having the novel in mind you might not see it in the same way but as someone that had no prior knowledge of it, I was reminded of actual stories of sa. Because drunk people cannot consent, he was not tipsy, he was drunk enough he could not move properly. Again I understand that people that have read the novel might feel differently, it's just that if the manhwa intended to show cheating and not cheating, then it was made very poorly. Because you absolutely cannot see this man consent to sleeping with her. Again at the ball he did not want to kiss her at all and was forced to. If the manhwa wanted to show him cheating it should've been done better. I just cannot feel like he is responsible for this "cheating" situation with the way things were presented. I wish it was done better because I agree that it's not obviously sa either, the manhwa doesn't emphasize his consent or the absence of his consent, and we don't know how he feels about the night they spent (apart from the fact that he thinks of it as a mistake). The manhwa did a poor job of either reproducing what happend in the novel or changing it.

I understand your point, and I remember seeing this comment a few chapters ago. But as this manhwa is an adaptation of the novel, I treat them as two different pieces. I remember thinking he really was trash when reading the extract from the novel, but it doesn't change the fact that this novel showed something different. I really felt uneasy reading the chapter she forced herself onto him. I understand that having the novel in mind you might not see it in the same way but as someone that had no prior knowledge of it, I was reminded of actual stories of sa. Because drunk people cannot consent, he was not tipsy, he was drunk enough he could not move properly. Again I understand that people that have read the novel might feel differently, it's just that if the manhwa intended to show cheating and not sa, then it was made very poorly. Because you absolutely cannot see this man consent to sleeping with her. Again at the ball he did not want to kiss her at all and was forced to. If the manhwa wanted to show him cheating it should've been done better. I just cannot feel like he is responsible for this "cheating" situation with the way things were presented. I wish it was done better because I agree that it's not obviously sa either, the manhwa doesn't emphasize his consent or the absence of his consent, and we don't know how he feels about the night they spent (apart from the fact that he thinks of it as a mistake). The manhwa did a poor job of either reproducing what happend in the novel or changing it.

So two drunk people having sex is raping each other? Please grow up and join the real world. Making a mistake because you're drinking and your inhibitions are lowered isn't SA in this situation. You're so desperate to make him a victim when he's 0% victim. He's literally the same person as he was in the past, the only difference was he genuinely loved Ari in this timeline directly because of her changes. He's a cheating pos who cheated, not a poor widdle boy who got raped. He tossed that bitch on the bed and fucked her (づ￣ ³￣)づ while knowing exactly what he was doing. Keep gooning for a trash cheater ig

my exact thoughts. Flip the genders and everyone would be quick to call it out. I hate to side with Caesar after the horrible person he is, but in this case it was 100% SA

You’re very ignorant. He may be a shitty man but he’s still very much a victim. Mind you my original comment was about the balcony scène where he’s blackmailed into kissing her which is sa ?? I’m not infantalizing him at all, I’m just calling it out strictly based on facts.

You just can’t stand that he’s a victim and it’s so embarrassing. DRUNK PPL CANT CONSENT !!! What is it that you can’t understand. FL sister wasn’t drunk. She took advantage of him and raped him, and did it again on the balcony (╬￣皿￣)凸

All he had to do was snatch the napkin, or whatever its called, from her. Bro made one pathetic attempt and gave up. Full on man cant take smth from a petite woman. If he really cared so much about not cheating he woulda tried a bit more to take the napkin.
You tryna make him into a victom is so embarrassing honestly

LITTERALLY. If your significant other went out and got drunk then fucked somone that came and seduced them, would you go like oh my poor babyyy you got rapeddd.
No
You fucking wouldnt
If you would react that way thats just concerning

Omg THANK YOU lmao Exactly!! Imagine comforting your cheating lover like that. These morons are virtue signaling children who have probably not been drunk. It's not a magic elixir that removes all blame and consent. If he was sober enough to know what he was doing he wasn't raped. He knew what and WHO he was doing and they're still crying rape make it make sense!!

If my lover was drunk and someone showed up uninvited to their home and raped them, I would definitely comfort them. don’t get it twisted.

Yes but they don’t wanna hear it . They’ll never see him as a victim, just because he’s a bad person ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

I feel for your lover. Imagine dating someone as heartless as you. Your lovers drunk, someone shows up to their home uninvited and then takes advantage of them while they’re drunk and you would laugh at them and call them a cheater…

Deadass bro cracked under no pressure
He is straight up trash

I feel bad for you being that doormat simp dumb person who's lover cheats over and over every time they get drunk, or you had a fight and they "made a mistake", your naive ass eats it up and takes them back You're too dumb to understand how life works.

The WEBTOON follows the novel. They’re not really different. It’s just that the WEBTOON storyteller cut out stuff to make it “All Ages” and they cut out stuff that makes Cesare look bad. Consequently, Ari and Isabella are the ones blamed incessantly during this arc. Lots of readers are saying Cesare is their victim. In the novel, Cesare’s head was under Isabella’s dress and servicing her. That’s what people saw at the ball. WEBTOON turned it into a kiss to tone it down.

For those who say Cesare isn’t given the chance to change, well, that’s not true. There are 600+ chapters to go. He has his path to walk and he can change if he self-reflects and desire to change.

Imagine a dragon pulls up before you who can kill you in a blink of an eye and asks you to have his child after being saved by him and is ultimately raped each and everyday, it's a wonder the mc haven't died yet he's brave enough to give up himself for his family and village sybau

When did hé get raped everyday ?? He literally consented

He HAD to consent because of the deal he made with the dragon ml. He didn't willingly wanted to do that when the dragon literally kept hurting him while sex.

Victim blame huh? I guess you're more worst than the dragon lord..

He first consented to the deal correct? And then he had to consent to the s*x because of the deal? So he consented both times ?? He also said multiple times that he WANTED to serve the dragon lord. Okay the sex went wrong once, but the dragon lord is as we can see very remorseful but mc just can’t see it and it’s pissing me off. Now there are just too many useless misunderstandings.

How am i victim blaming ??

You’re acting like the dragon lord is a bad person

He is very much a bad shitty dragon. Hope that helps until the mc died and reincarnated which left a scar on him to be a good person

He "wanted" to serve because he felt obliged and a burden to dragon. It was a deal made for him which he couldn't say no even if he tried to. There will ofcourse be misunderstandings because of how badly he treated mc during sex, you can see how his body is always bruised

Why are you ignoring the clear power imbalance bc even if he did refuse what do you think would’ve happened to him weirdo

Exactly. It's a literal human infront of a dragon

god i was annoyed by the ml but youre much more annoying

Girl must be some jaekyung defended, you must be denying marital rape too then? Y'all didn't knows how coercion works?

You sound like you support marital rape

IDC

But that’s exactly my point ML is a dragon, he can’t be held to human standards. He doesn’t know how to act like a human, how to care for a human, or even love one. But he still tries to treat mc better. But our mc can’t see that at all and just acts scared, clueless and causes all kind of misunderstandings

Where did you get that from ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Well … he did have a rough childhood. Though it doesn’t justify his action I can see why he acted that way.

HES A DRAGON. That’s how dragons act. They don’t see human as equals. That may not be right by our standards but that’s just what’s normal for him. But he still tries to treat mc better. HES TRYING

Imagine defending fictional characters

You can hate on them but not defend them ??

Jesus Christ. And a human doesn't know how to act around a dragon. Imagine some mythical lord pulling up to you, acting all fierce and shit, I'd be scared shitless and die. You call the mc stupid get he's acting how he should feel, fear induced because of the dragon's behaviour. There will be bound to be misunderstandings because both don't understand each other. One has the mind of humanity(mc), one has the mindset of his superiority and goals.

You can have romance AND action. They're probably disappointed that the promised action has been taken away completely and out of the blue

I find a woman crawling her way back from literal hell to slay her enemies
super romantic.