im just finding out that people hate the fl??? why??? she’s already dying so her last revenge is to take down the crown prince, why would anyone hate her for that? obviously she’s not gonna tell him anything because he would talk her out of it. she already believes that she has nothing left to loose, so this is her last act before she passes. i always thought her character was so unique
I mean.. you didn't have any arguments in defense. You just said to shut the fuck up.
That makes it pretty obvious to me you've proved my point. You saw someone say the word misogyny and you got sooo pissy.
I also never said she was my favorite lol.
Nor did I say you can't criticize a character at all.
However when you ignore all the plot details and the actual dialogue to just call her stupid... Than yeah I will say your problem seems to just be misogyny
The FL is making terrible decisions for herself. She is being completely selfish toward the ML. She’s not taking into account her own health, her well-being, her reputation, or the ML’s all under the guise of doing it 'for love,' and for a man with whom things obviously can't mix. If there's anything misogynistic here, it's the writing itself. Don't lecture me on reading comprehension if you can't tell the difference between bad writing and reducing any criticism of a female character to misoginia. Throwing the word 'misogyny' at anyone who disagrees with you is precisely why feminism isn't taken seriously.
Account for her health" ... BUDDY THATS THE POINT SHE ISNT TAKING CARE OF HER HEALTH BC SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HER HEALTH.
If you had been reading the story it would be incredibly obvious that she is doing all of this before she dies.
She doesn't care about herself. This is her being selfless and using the last bit of her life to help the man she loves.
Since when did she care about her reputation? Her well being?
This story started with her taking the place of her dead sister. Obviously if she cared about any of those things she would have not gone to him nor would have been stuck with her family in the beginning.
This is a character who has endured a life of nothing but abuse. The only thing that kept her going is her now dead sister.
Obviously she doesn't care what happens to her.
You Should work on reading comprehension if you don't know that all these chapters in lol
The mental gymnastics are insane
There’s a huge difference between being selfless with integrity, and just being downright stupid. She’s being completely selfish and putting herself in danger in the dumbest way possible. Literally NO ONE asked for this, especially when things were finally going well between her and Claude.She humiliated him and abandoned him for the very cousin who made his life a living hell and wanted him dead for "love" and being "selfles". It's the most typical, toxic cliché ever lmaooo. And it doesn't matter if this is an illegal site or not dumb takes and bad writing can be called out anywhere like yours. You can't try to educate someone with "reading comprehension", read what you wrote again lmaooooo. Next chapter will be something like "Yuan stop sacrificing yourself like this and blablabla"
She asked him if he loved her and he said NO to her face.
Yeah no one asked for this... She did it on her own accord. Who was supposed to ask her??
She was threatened by her father and the crown prince. Yk THE MOST powerful person in the kingdom??
It was literally "stay with him and die with him or come back to us and let us use you"
And you want her to... What?
Say fuck you ?
Yes that cousin does want him dead.. that's why she went with him to prevent that death. She literally used her life as a trade.
You need to learn the difference between a trope, plotline and a cliche. Bc they're not all the same thing.
Yes she is putting herself in danger.. that is what one does when their loved ones are in danger and they have a power that can save them. This is also a character with no allies and only knows a lifetime of trauma and being beaten and now her sister has been killed!!! The only thing she has been taught was to obey orders.
She has been told she is dying. That she doesn't have much time left.
She asked him if he loved her as a last attempt to stay and make the most of her last few months. He SAID NO so she left deciding this would be a one sided love on her part and she could use the last bit of her life taking down his enemies so he would be safe.
You as someone just reading a story can say it's stupid all you want.
But would you say the same if he did the same? I mean look at him now, he's flaunting himself as a man whore.
Granted it's probably a lie but she doesn't know that!!
She healed him and all she knows is him using the face she gave him back to fuck around!
And SHES THE BAD ONE??? HELLO??
Is what someone who has run out of arguments and realizes they didn't actually pay attention to what they read would say.
And buddy idk how to tell you this but this plotline is one we've seen for thousands of years tbh.
Sacrificing yourself for the sake of a loved one is like one of the most common literary tropes. Ever read Shakespeare?
Hans Anderson?
And if you don't recognize that name then you might recognize the name of his most famous story .. The Little Mermaid.
In which she lets herself die and turn to seafoam for thousands of years just so the prince she loved didn't have to die by her hands.
A story translated to hundreds of languages, many adaptations to film etc etc.
Its a classic trope. If you don't like it then go read something else?
Can't imagine hating something so much and continuing to read it. No one is forcing you to be here
Are you REALLY comparing Shakespeare, Hans Christian Andersen, and The Little Mermaid to THIS manhwa? I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING And I'm the one who ran out of arguments???? Do you not realize how ridiculous you sound right now? It's funny because this all started with the absurd claim that criticizing the FL was misogyny, and here you are now, trying to give 'literature lessons' that have nothing to do with that.So yeah, clearly it was never about misogyny in the first place
its not dumb, you just don’t get it. she lost her sister and is now dying, so instead of going down by herself she’s choosing to get revenge for the ml so that he can become the crown prince again. her doing this is anything but selfish. he won’t know unless he somehow finds out, but her plan is to go down without him ever knowing. that’s why she doesn’t care about her reputation and why she’s fine with him hating her
As I said, this has NOTHING to do with misogyny as this person claimed IN THE FIRST PLACE, and the writing is just poorly executed. Y'all clearly don't know the difference between being selfless and being straight-up dumb. Shakespeare HAS nothing to do with this, they're just mixing random things up because they CAN'T hold an argument
Oh this shows you aren't reading what I'm saying. I very clearly was talking about a trope you brought up first.
You said the sacrifice for love was a dumb trope. So I used famous examples of that same trope that are well beloved literature.
I wasn't saying this was Shakespeare quality. Obviously it needs work to be Shakespeare lol.
Also no one here is agreeing with you.
You're being very dumb rn.
Congratulations! You just won the "no one is agreeing with you" competition. Just two dumb people saying exactly to each other. I never said that the trope is dumb; I said "the dumbest manhwa in history" because is poorly written.Talk about reading comprehension, LMAOOO. Only in this comment section do people accuse others of misogyny for not liking the FL, and then bring up Shakespeare out of nowhere to defend their stupidity.
"She’s being completely selfish and putting herself in danger in the dumbest way possible... It's the most typical, toxic cliché ever lmaooo"
Is a direct quote from you. You brought up the trope. I just responded to further discuss the trope.
Yes, talk about reading comprehension. You should work on that. It's tough to argue something if you keep forgetting what you said yourself lol.
You never said anything about the manwha as a whole. You only talked about the self sacrificing trope.
If you had issues with the writing you'd at least of alternate plot suggestions.
Like I could say I'm not sure what this sudden vacation thing has to do with the plot but I also can see it is building to something so I'll just wait to see where that goes.
You haven't given a reason to hate the fl. You just complained about a common writing trope that is pretty genderless. It just happens to be the woman doing it in this one.
So yeah, people are going to see this behavior as misogyny.
And with how pissy you're getting right now about this... Shows me I'm probably correct.
Especially since you came in out of nowhere to insult and go off on me and op. Like you did this to yourself
your only argument is using crying emojis and calling us and the manhwa dumb, yet we’re the low iq ones?youre bold as hell talking about anyones iq when you can’t even put two and two together even when the facts are presented to you. going directly to insults instead of refuting our statements speak volumes on your intellect. rocks for brains
As someone with a Masters in Eng Literature, you're absolutely right that "self-sacrificing trope" has been in use in Literature forever. Amazing use of examples for co-relation too. Also guys, when the person starts using logical fallacies and changing goal posts without actually refuting your point of argument, that makes it evident that either they have not read the manhwa properly, suffer from reading comprehension problems or the absolute lack of mental capacity to understand and grasp the story or the characters properly (misogyny & unreasonable bias could be a probable cause). YES the trope is genderless. People have always loved tragic self-sacrificing characters whether males or females. I was going to give Alex the benefit of the doubt that it's not out of misogyny but seeing his ramblings, I believe misogyny is dancing in the background, guiding him gently, while simultaneously being offensive, rude and a rage-baiter to bask in attention. Congrats Alex, you had your 2 minutes of spotlight and you came off as nothing but dumb and somewhat illiterate.
I don't have a degree in that myself (was going for it but had to drop out for financial stuff) but I've grown up being someone very interested in literature. Read the classics as a kid. Took journalism, poetry and creative writing classes. Also used to write myself but not mostly just write poetry.
Yeah this is Def some kid that didn't pay attention in English or literature classes.
The most basic story structure and trope.
Gotta learn to stop when it's clear it a kid that doesn't know shit lolol.
You definitely asked a question, expecting an answer. Someone replies in answer to your question. It was an acceptable answer too! Tell me if anyone in this world has the right to say stfu to someone who gave an acceptable reply? And now they go around showing their own butthurt. If their butt has been burnt to the bone, shouldn't they be applying medicine over it? Do they think people are interested in seeing their roasted butt? What do u think?
i found this randomly, so it took me seeing chase miller on screen to understand that grayson and him are siblings and that this is a story written in the same universe. don’t ask me why the art and the title didn’t avoke any kind of realization in me
this is part of a very expansive omegaverse AU by ZIG, the author of “roses and champagne”, as well as the other novels in this series, like “kiss the scumbag”, “kiss my grits”, “kiss the bride”, “kiss me, liar”, etc.
there’s a list of the ~20 omegaverse novels in this AU (they’re all connected somehow) listed on reddit if you’re interested in reading them. the “if you can” series (“lick me if you can”, “kiss me if you can”, “desire me if you can”, etc.) all focus on the miller siblings, and imo they’re the best ones besides “kiss me, liar”











the scene of woong silently crying because he’s both hurt and feels bad is tugging on my heartstrings :(