Ashwee's Topics (235)

I dont think so.. i know Aya was drunk but she was the one who initiated the sesbian lex.. calling it grape is kinda overkill..

She's drunk though

Being drunk means you're not in control. Even if you initiated it doesn't mean you knew what you did. She still didn't consent it.

Just bc she was drunk doesn’t mean she was being raped omg… why would this even be a question?

Because she initiated while drunk and doesn’t remember what happened. Mitsuki wasn’t drunk an had sex with a drunk Aya. Either way it’s dub con if Aya doesn’t remember due to being under the influence. It would be different if they were both drunk but they weren’t.

I don’t like this plot point either :/

Like I don’t think it’s rape but dub con.

Gurl y r u this dumb? Are we losing our mind lately? Aya clearly doesn't consent to this since she's drunk. If i put you in a situation where u r drunk and someone made you make sex with them wouldn't you feel like you're being rape? Since you're clearly drunk, doesn't remember it, and is not in the right mind to give proper consent to the person who did that. Mind you this is so basic to understand if i give you more complex situations i bet you'll undergo seizure

bro lock in they've been a couple for years and they clearly had a lot of sex before. I understand it could be a murky territory at the start of a relationship, but after who knows how many years of relationship (and sex) it's not rape if someone is drunk and initiates the sex and then can't remember

“ it's not rape if someone is drunk and initiates the sex and then can't remember”

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

It’s sure as hell dub con

Rape through substance happens when someone is so intoxicated that they can't physically/verbally stop what's going on, or they're so out of it they don't realize what's going on at all. The rape factor isn't whether they remember it or not (since nobody is able to foresee that) but whether there was consent before initiating the act. Seeing they've been a couple for years, they do not need verbal consent anymore, especially when Aya is the one who initiated it. There was implied consent from both sides, therefore it's not rape whether they remember it or not.

Are you stupid? If I’m drunk and initiate a sexual encounter with MY BOYFRIEND, and he’s not drunk, it doesn’t mean he raped me….are you cool ho?

Seems like you just want her to be a rape victim…..

I would like to debunk your staemate. First off you said that that rape is when someone is so intoxicated that they can't physically/verbally stop what's going which is what Aya's state(heavily intoxicated with alcohol which by means making you can't stop or not conscious of what you're doing) is, so it completely destroyed your claim making it invalid. Second of all, even if they're in a relationship for too long that doesn't automatically mean consent. "especially when Aya is the one who initiated it" this statement doesn't prove anything because of your first statement. Also a long-term relationship does not create permanent or blanket consent. Initiating a kiss does not equal consenting to sex, and prior sexual history cannot replace present consent. So to conclude it all If someone is so intoxicated that their judgment and capacity to make decisions are significantly impaired, relying on "implied consent" is unsafe and legally and ethically questionable. The key issue isn't whether they remember the event but whether they had the capacity to voluntarily and knowingly consent to sex at that moment.

U r the stupid one here. Being heavily intoxicated by ethanol mean you do not have a proper mind to consent. Maybe i am exaggerating when i said it's rape but this still doesn't mean your partner can just have sex with you without your proper consent. If you have a proper morally in your body you wouldn't touch your partner in their vulnerable state where they can't give PROPER consent r u insane?

Gurl why would i want that? I myself is a victim of SA that's why this topic is so sensitive to me

Do you know how uncomfortable that feels like? Being assaulted by the one you knew and trust?

I bet you don't by the way you're reacting ho

No, Aya wasn't shown to be so intoxicated she couldn't make decisions. She actively pulled Mitsuki to kiss her, which means she 100% had enough awareness to say no if she didn't want sex. If you're saying that in general someone drunk can't consent, I can't convince you otherwise but I think it's bullshit

I think it's not rape more on like non consensual sex but it did show Aya getting drunk. Gurl i study pharmacy and i knew alcohol can't make you conscious enough to properly consent if it is consumed in high amount or if the person has low tolerance against ethanol

Non consensual sex is rape.
I think we all know alcohol can impair judgment without having to study pharmacy, but Aya wasn't shown to be so intoxicated that she couldn't make decisions.
We saw Aya actively asking for a kiss. We then see them kiss and the chapter ended, implying that something sexual happened. I just don't understand why your first thought would be that whatever happened wasn't consensual when Aya was most likely the one who asked for it, or otherwise fully able to ask for it to stop.

In the previous chapter it has been said the stages of Aya while she's drunk which is clearly been shown in that chapter and drunk is equal to not being able to do proper things on their own that's why we have a lot of cases where a car accident happens because they are not in their right mind to do what they are currently doing. So in this case Aya doesn't have proper mind to know what exactly what she did that time since it's just her unconscious mind speaking for her and not her conscious mind. And that concludes why this is not a proper consent. If you still don't understand i don't want to further involve myself in this conversation since i believe you lack of understanding what intoxicated mean. Just to clarify what alcohol is and why is it considered not proper mind of the people making the decision when they're under it because alcohol to CNS depressant which makes people brain less functional than before making them less active. When the alcohol enters the bloodstream through the digestive track(i assume you knew this) it enters the brain and enhance the neurotransmitter which is called GABA that promotes relaxation and SEDATION and reduce the glutamate activity. This can cause feelings of relaxation, lowered inhibitions, impaired judgment, slower reaction times, poor coordination, and DIFFICULTY THINKING CLEARLY. Which in conclusion makes Aya unable to decide CLEARLY for her own.

Or maybe I'll try not to not sure about this though

I'm sorry if i sounded rude in here

The reason we have car accidents when drunk is mostly because of delayed reactions. As someone who daily assumes meds with similar effects, it's not like I get another mind of my own that makes bad decisions for me. It simply lowers my inhibitions, meaning I might do stuff I regret later, but I still did that with full consent. If you drink a lot and actively ask someone to sleep with you, only to regret later, they didn't rape you. It was just a shitty decision.
By that I'm not saying that alcohol can't cause someone to be unable to deny a potential assaulter, I'm saying that we haven't been shown Aya to be in such state. The only thing we've been shown is that she doesn't remember what happened, which doesn't imply she was so drunk she couldn't consent. Contrarily, and I don't know how to stress it enough, it's implied that she was the one who asked to have sex first. In no place on earth will you ever be able to state that someone raped you when you're the one who asked for it first (not counting changing your mind during the act and expressing it vocally).

I also don't really care to argue anymore, I think you're reading what you want to read into the comic so we're never going to reach an agreement.

Thanks for expressing your stance though

It's just that base on what i learnt about alcohol if it comes to the point where you lost your memory of that night it's actually a sign that you are super drunk so yep that why i came up with that conclusion

Hell yeah

A win is a win (づ￣ ³￣)づ

lol how she dumb asf tho?

She doesn’t remember complete conversations with her mother in law. Girl has inattentive adhd!!! Not that it’s a bad thing

IJBOLLLLLL INATTENTIVE ADHD