... have a problem with all the abusive and problematic stuff Cain has done? He stalked, sexually harassed a sleeping person, constantly lied, and engaged in dub-con sex (using someone's most vulnerable moment to push them into sleeping with him, fully knowing they're in love with someone else).
Like all 3 of them are honestly written so toxic, so why do they act like it's only Jooin and Yahwi? Idgi
It probably and most likely has to do with the lesser evil. Cain never purposely hurt, humiliate nor made Jooin feel less of himself. It's probably why people like him despite some of his actions. All of them have flaws and have their gray areas but you can't help that most still like one with a bit more 'morals'.
Between him and Jooin. Cain knew what he wanted so people like that he was more decisive (even out of the three). He never "strung" or gave Jooin false hope. (Ppl have been saying Jooin been doing that to both) But people calling Jooin toxic has been happening way before endgame from both teams equally. It's nothing new. He's always been hated for no reason.
Now ppl still say that because his development of worth went away. And I seen all sides say that, even some of the winning team. Some preferred Jooin to stay single because it made sense to leave both toxicity.
I'm not a Cain shipper but I've seen Cain fans acknowledging his behavior, although what seems to matter in this comparison between Yahwi and Cain is who made Jooin more happy. And I think we can all agree Yahwi hurt Jooin throughout most of the entire story and Yahwi did things way worse than Cain. It's honestly no wonder he's getting the most hate.
An example on why, would be that Cain most of the time apologizes right afterwards for his actions. While Yahwi and Jooin barely do until very late. Cain is able to realize his wrongs quickly and be expressive without giving false words unlike the other two. That could be why he isn't much hated here. Also, looking at the replies should give you a simple answer too. The first reply explains a perfect why and even a neutral reader sees it. Yet the rest, who I assume are all on the same team, aren't giving examples but throws and implies insults. This has to also do with how each team acts with other readers.
An example on why, would be that Cain most of the time apologizes right afterwards for his actions. While Yahwi and Jooin barely do until very late. Cain is able to realize his wrongs quickly and be expressive ... Heeheehaha
Preach. Yahwi stans lack comprehension to get understand something so simple
you must be ignorant if that's what you think dub-con is. i'm not even a cain shipper or a yahwi one either but don't go spouting big words you don't know the meaning of.
you must be ignorant if that's what you think dub-con is. i'm not even a cain shipper or a yahwi one either but don't go spouting big words you don't know the meaning of. hatdiggitydog
Have to agree that's definitely not dub-con. Dub-con is when the consent is dubious, and when readers can't tell when a character involved is certain about whether they wants to participate. In this case Jooin did. Cain asked "if you don't want to, push me away" which Jooin didn't. That to readers told us Jooin gave consent. Then when asked again Jooin nodded in agreement. We readers saw Jooin answers from his actions. Nothing was dubious. We didn't see Jooin stay quiet and let Cain decided own his own. We saw Jooin indicate his answer.
Have to agree that's definitely not dub-con. Dub-con is when the consent is dubious, and when readers can't tell when a character involved is certain about whether they wants to participate. In this case Jooin ... Heeheehaha
Facts and facts only. Yahwi stans making up the craziest stuff to feed their narrative
you must be ignorant if that's what you think dub-con is. i'm not even a cain shipper or a yahwi one either but don't go spouting big words you don't know the meaning of. hatdiggitydog
How is sleeping with someone who's emotionally distraught and out of it much better than sleeping with someone who's drunk? A drunk person can also nod or not push someone away, but it's still considered taking advantage of someone if you sleep with them.
How is sleeping with someone who's emotionally distraught and out of it much better than sleeping with someone who's drunk? A drunk person can also nod or not push someone away, but it's still considered taking... Ariest
do you know the difference between being sad and being drunk??? there's your answer. being drunk means he was literally not in his right mind and under the influence, as well as barely even awake. cain never forced himself or told jooin let's fuck right now or else. at least he asked for consent and jooin was awake, sober, and in his right mind enough to say yes or no. are you actually comparing raping someone drunk to having sex with someone who's sad??? you need help.
Have to agree that's definitely not dub-con. Dub-con is when the consent is dubious, and when readers can't tell when a character involved is certain about whether they wants to participate. In this case Jooin ... Heeheehaha
literally i agree with everything you said. but yahwi stans just wanna make cain seem like he was as bad as yahwi so they start spouting bullshit.
do you know the difference between being sad and being drunk??? there's your answer. being drunk means he was literally not in his right mind and under the influence, as well as barely even awake. cain never fo... hatdiggitydog
Disagree. When someone is emotionally distraught to the point they're hysterically sobbing and slipping into a depressive mindset, they're NOT in their right mind either. Please look up emotional exploitation
Disagree. When someone is emotionally distraught to the point they're hysterically sobbing and slipping into a depressive mindset, they're NOT in their right mind either. Please look up emotional exploitation Ariest
Frfr cain is actually a sexual harasser who targets those who are vulnerable which also made cain stans sexual harasser apologists. Even jooin doesn't like his relationship wih cain cause it's unhealthy, he said it himself
Frfr cain is actually a sexual harasser who targets those who are vulnerable which also made cain stans sexual harasser apologists. Even jooin doesn't like his relationship wih cain cause it's unhealthy, he sai... Shut up susan
No but like do these people not know of the 4 types of sexual manipulation - verbal coercion (argumentative persuasion), physical force, financial coercion (blackmail/bribery) and EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION (exploiting someone's emotions).
I thought they'd at least be educated on the issue of sexual abuse considering how much they like to talk about it smh
Frfr cain is actually a sexual harasser who targets those who are vulnerable which also made cain stans sexual harasser apologists. Even jooin doesn't like his relationship wih cain cause it's unhealthy, he sai... Shut up susan
Jooin never said he didn't like their relationship. He mentioned it's unhealthy for one to sacrifice everything and throw away so much just for one person.
No but like do these people not know of the 4 types of sexual manipulation - verbal coercion (argumentative persuasion), physical force, financial coercion (blackmail/bribery) and EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION (exploi... Ariest
This whole conversation started about dubcon. Whether it's emotional manipulation. What op mentioned is not dubcon.
How is emotional manipulation not dub-con? It's certainly not fully con Ariest
literally go search up the meaning of dubious consent before you start speaking please. you sound so ignorant trying to prove that raping a drunk person and sleeping with someone who was literally just sad is the same thing my god. cain never manipulated jooin to have sex with him go reread that chapter please and see how that interaction went. he literally asked for consent, jooin nodded his head and kept going. cain didn't manipulate him with his words, like being suggestive and threatening, nor his actions either like pinning him down or taking his clothes off by force.
literally go search up the meaning of dubious consent before you start speaking please. you sound so ignorant trying to prove that raping a drunk person and sleeping with someone who was literally just sad is t... hatdiggitydog
You sound like a sexual abuse apologist, get help! "Just sad" ah ok is that why Cain even admitted to himself Jooin was just too sad and scared to say no to him afterwards?
Frfr cain is actually a sexual harasser who targets those who are vulnerable which also made cain stans sexual harasser apologists. Even jooin doesn't like his relationship wih cain cause it's unhealthy, he sai... Shut up susan
oh you again just jumping on every chance to try and act like cain is a rapist like yahwi lol. please please go delete your account you are a literal form of cancer showing up whenever cain is mentioned just so you can shit on people who like him. you genuinely love to pretend like you don't support a literal rapist. then to make yourself feel better you try and act like cain is also a rapist/sexual harasser so you don't seem like a terrible person. which you are.
You sound like a sexual abuse apologist, get help! "Just sad" ah ok is that why Cain even admitted to himself Jooin was just too sad and scared to say no to him afterwards? Ariest
you are literally a rape apologist don't even try to project that onto me honey. being too uneducated to properly debate with someone about a topic you have 0 info on lol stop trying to manipulate the meaning of words to make cain seem like a rapist. and yes jooin was just sad tf you wanna call it? that's literally what he was, sad as fuck about yahwi. are you a moron? you proved your own point. cain never manipulated him, but was equally as confused about it as you are after it happened.
you are literally a rape apologist don't even try to project that onto me honey. being too uneducated to properly debate with someone about a topic you have 0 info on lol stop trying to manipulate the meaning o... hatdiggitydog
Nah bc unlike you I never once excused anything Yahwi, Jooin or Cain did. But Cain stans like you don't want to admit Cain sexually harassed, stalked and exploited someone. Big yikes! Imagine saying someone who is physically harming themselves is "just sad", nah hun, that's someone being mentally unstable. And Cain was never confused, he KNEW Jooin didn't want it, but used his vulnerability and kindness to manipulate him into it.
oh you again just jumping on every chance to try and act like cain is a rapist like yahwi lol. please please go delete your account you are a literal form of cancer showing up whenever cain is mentioned just so... hatdiggitydog
I know you want defend but let's not get so aggressive over it. But I have to agree. This user says they don't like any of the characters and aren't on a team but everytime I see them they are always coming for Cain in the replies whether the conversation has his name or not . There's a bias someonewhere.
Nah bc unlike you I never once excused anything Yahwi, Jooin or Cain did. But Cain stans like you don't want to admit Cain sexually harassed, stalked and exploited someone. Big yikes! Imagine saying someone who... Ariest
you tried to compare drunk rape to consensual sex. that says a lot about you and your morals. going so far to try and make cain and yahwi the same. i'm not even a cain stan you're so idiotic i said that from the start. i'm not going to argue with someone who's so delusional. come to talk when you know the meaning of a sexual harasser and a stalker honey. and maybe go touch some grass since it looks like you really need it.
I know you want defend but let's not get so aggressive over it. But I have to agree. This user says they don't like any of the characters and aren't on a team but everytime I see them they are always coming for... Heeheehaha
i've been in enough conversations with that account to be as aggressive as i want. they defend yahwi's rape and try to act like he's the best bc he changed and feels bad for being mean to jooin aww. then they pretend like cain is even worse than yahwi lol fucking rape apologist i despise that account.
@hatdiggitydog Omg you're a whole lunatic. Literally where? I said sleeping with someone who is drunk or emotionally distressed ISN'T consensual you insanely dumb idiot.
Honestly, you're one DISGUSTING b!tch. You damn well know making out with someone who's unconscious is SEXUAL HARASSMENT, that following someone without their knowledge is STALKING. You're just pretending, bc you're a SEXUAL HARASSMENT, STALKING AND ASSUALT APOLOGIST. Vile
... have a problem with all the abusive and problematic stuff Cain has done? He stalked, sexually harassed a sleeping person, constantly lied, and engaged in dub-con sex (using someone's most vulnerable moment to push them into sleeping with him, fully knowing they're in love with someone else).
Like all 3 of them are honestly written so toxic, so why do they act like it's only Jooin and Yahwi? Idgi
It probably and most likely has to do with the lesser evil. Cain never purposely hurt, humiliate nor made Jooin feel less of himself. It's probably why people like him despite some of his actions. All of them have flaws and have their gray areas but you can't help that most still like one with a bit more 'morals'.
Between him and Jooin. Cain knew what he wanted so people like that he was more decisive (even out of the three). He never "strung" or gave Jooin false hope. (Ppl have been saying Jooin been doing that to both)
But people calling Jooin toxic has been happening way before endgame from both teams equally. It's nothing new. He's always been hated for no reason.
Now ppl still say that because his development of worth went away. And I seen all sides say that, even some of the winning team. Some preferred Jooin to stay single because it made sense to leave both toxicity.
It's cause they are hypocrites lol.
Because they are weird and need sum to hate Yahwi and Jooin for because they ended up together and they're mad
I'm not a Cain shipper but I've seen Cain fans acknowledging his behavior, although what seems to matter in this comparison between Yahwi and Cain is who made Jooin more happy. And I think we can all agree Yahwi hurt Jooin throughout most of the entire story and Yahwi did things way worse than Cain. It's honestly no wonder he's getting the most hate.
Because they actually can not read
An example on why, would be that Cain most of the time apologizes right afterwards for his actions. While Yahwi and Jooin barely do until very late. Cain is able to realize his wrongs quickly and be expressive without giving false words unlike the other two. That could be why he isn't much hated here.
Also, looking at the replies should give you a simple answer too. The first reply explains a perfect why and even a neutral reader sees it.
Yet the rest, who I assume are all on the same team, aren't giving examples but throws and implies insults. This has to also do with how each team acts with other readers.
Preach. Yahwi stans lack comprehension to get understand something so simple
you must be ignorant if that's what you think dub-con is. i'm not even a cain shipper or a yahwi one either but don't go spouting big words you don't know the meaning of.
Have to agree that's definitely not dub-con. Dub-con is when the consent is dubious, and when readers can't tell when a character involved is certain about whether they wants to participate. In this case Jooin did. Cain asked "if you don't want to, push me away" which Jooin didn't. That to readers told us Jooin gave consent. Then when asked again Jooin nodded in agreement. We readers saw Jooin answers from his actions. Nothing was dubious. We didn't see Jooin stay quiet and let Cain decided own his own. We saw Jooin indicate his answer.
Facts and facts only. Yahwi stans making up the craziest stuff to feed their narrative
How is sleeping with someone who's emotionally distraught and out of it much better than sleeping with someone who's drunk? A drunk person can also nod or not push someone away, but it's still considered taking advantage of someone if you sleep with them.
do you know the difference between being sad and being drunk??? there's your answer. being drunk means he was literally not in his right mind and under the influence, as well as barely even awake. cain never forced himself or told jooin let's fuck right now or else. at least he asked for consent and jooin was awake, sober, and in his right mind enough to say yes or no. are you actually comparing raping someone drunk to having sex with someone who's sad??? you need help.
literally i agree with everything you said. but yahwi stans just wanna make cain seem like he was as bad as yahwi so they start spouting bullshit.
Disagree. When someone is emotionally distraught to the point they're hysterically sobbing and slipping into a depressive mindset, they're NOT in their right mind either. Please look up emotional exploitation
Frfr cain is actually a sexual harasser who targets those who are vulnerable which also made cain stans sexual harasser apologists. Even jooin doesn't like his relationship wih cain cause it's unhealthy, he said it himself
No but like do these people not know of the 4 types of sexual manipulation - verbal coercion (argumentative persuasion), physical force, financial coercion (blackmail/bribery) and EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION (exploiting someone's emotions).
I thought they'd at least be educated on the issue of sexual abuse considering how much they like to talk about it smh
Jooin never said he didn't like their relationship. He mentioned it's unhealthy for one to sacrifice everything and throw away so much just for one person.
This whole conversation started about dubcon. Whether it's emotional manipulation. What op mentioned is not dubcon.
How is emotional manipulation not dub-con? It's certainly not fully con
Dubcon in fiction is only about being dubious to a sexual act. Jooin wasn't dubious he agreed. Emotional manipulation is it's own thing.
And are we not reading a fictional story?
We are.
literally go search up the meaning of dubious consent before you start speaking please. you sound so ignorant trying to prove that raping a drunk person and sleeping with someone who was literally just sad is the same thing my god. cain never manipulated jooin to have sex with him go reread that chapter please and see how that interaction went. he literally asked for consent, jooin nodded his head and kept going. cain didn't manipulate him with his words, like being suggestive and threatening, nor his actions either like pinning him down or taking his clothes off by force.
You sound like a sexual abuse apologist, get help! "Just sad" ah ok is that why Cain even admitted to himself Jooin was just too sad and scared to say no to him afterwards?
oh you again just jumping on every chance to try and act like cain is a rapist like yahwi lol. please please go delete your account you are a literal form of cancer showing up whenever cain is mentioned just so you can shit on people who like him. you genuinely love to pretend like you don't support a literal rapist. then to make yourself feel better you try and act like cain is also a rapist/sexual harasser so you don't seem like a terrible person. which you are.
you are literally a rape apologist don't even try to project that onto me honey. being too uneducated to properly debate with someone about a topic you have 0 info on lol stop trying to manipulate the meaning of words to make cain seem like a rapist. and yes jooin was just sad tf you wanna call it? that's literally what he was, sad as fuck about yahwi. are you a moron? you proved your own point. cain never manipulated him, but was equally as confused about it as you are after it happened.
Nah bc unlike you I never once excused anything Yahwi, Jooin or Cain did. But Cain stans like you don't want to admit Cain sexually harassed, stalked and exploited someone. Big yikes!
Imagine saying someone who is physically harming themselves is "just sad", nah hun, that's someone being mentally unstable. And Cain was never confused, he KNEW Jooin didn't want it, but used his vulnerability and kindness to manipulate him into it.
I know you want defend but let's not get so aggressive over it. But I have to agree. This user says they don't like any of the characters and aren't on a team but everytime I see them they are always coming for Cain in the replies whether the conversation has his name or not . There's a bias someonewhere.
you tried to compare drunk rape to consensual sex. that says a lot about you and your morals. going so far to try and make cain and yahwi the same. i'm not even a cain stan you're so idiotic i said that from the start. i'm not going to argue with someone who's so delusional. come to talk when you know the meaning of a sexual harasser and a stalker honey. and maybe go touch some grass since it looks like you really need it.
i've been in enough conversations with that account to be as aggressive as i want. they defend yahwi's rape and try to act like he's the best bc he changed and feels bad for being mean to jooin aww. then they pretend like cain is even worse than yahwi lol fucking rape apologist i despise that account.
@hatdiggitydog Omg you're a whole lunatic. Literally where? I said sleeping with someone who is drunk or emotionally distressed ISN'T consensual you insanely dumb idiot.
Honestly, you're one DISGUSTING b!tch.
You damn well know making out with someone who's unconscious is SEXUAL HARASSMENT, that following someone without their knowledge is STALKING. You're just pretending, bc you're a SEXUAL HARASSMENT, STALKING AND ASSUALT APOLOGIST. Vile