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Most of us didn’t (like me) cause he did my boy dg dirty.

So same, i don't hice a f anymore about Alex

Give*

Ikr?

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DG literally asks Jiwon if he loves him next chapter.He is ready to go back to him.He only needs to hear those words.He doesn't even demand any change between them or a change in Jiwon's behavior.
DG is a trash spineless loser that nobody cares about.He got lucky getting fucked by someone like Jiwon.And that experience gave him a lot.
Wishing for someone like Jiwon to suffer only because DG supposedly fell in love with him is unfair.

woah. you called us assholes for wishing that alex suffers TO MAKE UP FOR HIS PAST SEX ASSAULT, ABUSES AND INHUMANE ATTITUDE TOWARDS SOMEONE HE USED FOR HIS LIVE STREAMS. but you can call dg a trash spineless loser for loving someone? BRUH LMAO.

I wish for Jiwon to suffer because of his fucking inconsiderate behavior and emotional abuse if DG, not because he didn't reciprocate DG's love.

And wow, talk about abusive discourse. "He's lucky someone like Jiwon looked at him", "no one cares about him", "that experience have him a lot". WTF.

I think DG is fucking amazing, because he loves Jiwon - ofc he'd go back to Jiwon if he's loved back, BUT HE FUCKING WON'T IF HE'S NOT. That's a huge character growth and the opposite of spineless, and I'm really proud of him.

agreed 100%

He was not inconsiderate.DG and him had made a deal that they would only meet for sex.
DG could refuse those conditions and he could refuse meeting Jiwon whenever it was convenient only for Jiwon but DG never did
He caused all of this to himself.Jiwon never forced him and even the few times he crossed the line with DG the latter could had walked away.DG could also not had lied to Jiwon that time Jiwon asked him if he loved him
Besides you still cannot proof that what DG feels about Jiwon is truly love.How can he love him when he doesn't even know him?

I'm only being objective.DG is average to below average looking.He has no social skills nor friends.He was a 23 year old virgin without any accomplishments in his life and he is an average simple student who people barely know his name and don't even notice his existence.
DG earned a lot of experience he wouldn't have if he never met Jiwon
Yes he is lucky he got to fuck a dude like Jiwon who was his sex idol and is worshipped by millions of people.
Jiwon is good looking is rich great student very popular and successful in everything he does.
Of course DG got lucky and realistically speaking it wouldn't had been possible for a guy like Jiwon to ever notice let alone hook up with someone like DG.

those few times where he crossed the line is why he needs to suffer, honey. regardless of whatever situation they're in that's disrespectful and inconsiderate. and for him not walking out then, well he's walking out now and you're indirectly saying that he shouldn't cause alex shouldn't suffer? lmao. don't even change the subject to who loves who. we're not one to judge cause we're not the ones in the story. if you're expressing that you don't really want them together by saying that then honey, bye. you're just making yourself look like an asshole for liking alex so much. key words; making

so much for being objective.

When everyone else is hating on Jiwon I do feel the need to protect him and defend him.
Again you are also contradicting yourself and reaching.
You do judge Jiwon harshly but when someone judges DG you say "we shouldn't judge because we are not the ones in the story".
It seems like you all love DG so much because he is a plain Jane and a character clearly written as a substitute of a female character.
I don't really understand the rest of your response because your English are bad.
Im not an asshole for liking Jiwon.He is the only one who makes the story interesting.He is the best most complicated and well fleshed out character.It just comes naturally to want to defend him because he is getting way to much hatred for no serious reasons.
If DG doesn't hate Jiwon for what he supposedly did to him then why should you hate him?
I don't mind Jiwon and DG being together at all.I'm pretty sure they'll be end game and DG will always be the submissive one and Jiwon will always lead the relationship anyways.
Besides I'm pretty sure that once they get together the author is simy hoing to finish the story there with a classic gay happy ending and we won't ever get to see how Jiwon and DG actually are as a couple.My predictions.

One last thing.For the few times Jiwon crossed the line with DG he has already made up for.
I talked about that before but here it goes again.
Jiwon agreed to let DG into his house and even showed him his broadcasting room as an apology for them almost getting caught fucking at school.Also he respected DG's wish tto visit his house.
After the sex toys incident Jiwon made up for it by accepting DG's desire to go on a date.
Besides DG was great only moments after each incident.If he was traumatized by them he wouldn't be OK.He wouldn't want to continue being with Jiwon.
And finally the first time they had sex when Jiwon penetrated without lube or preparation DG kicked him so hard in the stomach Jiwon thought he was going to die.Plus DG was fine and ready for dick again just moments later so he wasn't all that hurt or scared by the entire ordeal.
Also Jiwon prepared him and lived him up properly in the second attempt that night so he made up and they were even.
Even all the times they had sex Jiwon always made sure DG was satisfied and always did give DG a great time so there is no space for accusing Jiwon for anything wrong there.

Sorry some mistakes are because I'm on mobile with autocorrect and I'm typing fast.
Sorry I said your English is bad.Mine isn't great either and also it could be the autocorrect thing in your case as well.

Well yeah why not?
Where is the lie in any of the things I wrote.
Show me the receipts.
As much as you love him DG is nothing special while Jiwon is and he is way out of DG's league.Ofcourse DG got lucky.What are the odds of actually meeting your sex idol and getting fucked by them?

Don't pay attention to fruit. They will never be objective and never see tha faults of Jiwon.

"DG is average to below average looking.He has no social skills nor friends.He was a 23 year old virgin without any accomplishments in his life and he is an average simple student who people barely know his name and don't even notice his existence".... "Yes he is lucky he got to fuck a dude like Jiwon"

Do you hear yourself? Do you not see what's wrong here? That looks awfully lot like "You're ugly, you're lucky I fucked you". Everyone knows who says this kind of shit.

So, objectively speaking: an ugly, socially awkward nerd is lucky "someone like Jiwon" noticed him, so he what - should be thankful for being treated like crap? Do you always judge people's worth by their looks or social achievements? Because out of everything you've used to describe DG, not once I've seen you point out a character flaw that implies he's a bad person or a lesser human being, which can't be said about Jiwon.

Guess what: being a "good looking rich great student very popular and successful in everything he does" doesn't make anyone a better human being, doesn't make them God's gift to humankind, specially if they come with Jiwon's level of BS.

Jiwon is not better than DG just because he's handsome, rich and popular.

OK Of course every time Rae replies to sth you just happen to be here too agreeing 100% ;)

there's no lie cause that's your opinion. i didn't know that stating the fact that jiwon was disrespectful and inconsiderate towards donggyun meant that i was judging jiwon. i say that jiwon is disrespectful because he ignored dg's pleads, didn't listen to him when he said stop and continued to do things against his will even when it was obvious that he was hurting him in the process. he stopped but only when he was proven wrong, which he should've done in the first place. hence, inconsiderate, because he did that just because he was jealous over something that he didn't even have proof of.

im gonna try to make myself clear again, like you said, why didn't dg just walk out before when he was being harrassed against his will? im gonna be honest, i don't know, but from what i see, he stayed because he valued the time he spent with jiwon and that situtaion gave him an opportunity to extend that time. that's his mistake. no one's excusing him for that.

your main point, is that alex doesn't deserve any of the shit he's getting right now. and by "all the shit he's getting", i meant all the comments that say the he should suffer more. and the context for the word "suffer", means that he gets rejected and ignored by dg. which is what you implied that dg should've done before.

so then, i am indirectly saying that you're a hypocrite. because now that dg is doing what you imposed he should've done, you're complaining.

I believe the main point of the author is that DG had a crush on Alex, and that evolved to true feelings after getting to know him. You can see everyone saying DG was objectifying Alex in the first few chapters, but that ceased to be when he got to know Jiwon. But let's go after the facts:

1) DG could refuse - true. But would you refuse the chance to sleep with your idol? Lol nope - again, everyone was all the rage about DG objectifying Alex in the first few chapters. Does it make it ok for said idol to turn abusive? Hell no.

2) It is DG's own fault for falling for him, but it is Jiwon's sin to have used said feelings for his own benefit. Jiwon knew DG had feelings. Jiwon threatened to break up with DG if he had feelings. Ofc DG would lie. Everyone was fucking mad he did. But that's an abusive relationship for you: you'd rather have anything at all than not have anything, because you have fucking feelings for them and they make you fear them leaving you because, guess what? "You are ugly and you are lucky someone like me looked at someone like you".

3) Well, now DG walked away. You should be happy now.

IRL that's how things usually work.I'm not implying that its fair and right but its the harsh reality.
I'm not really into that deep as to judge any of them as evil or angel.
Other readers do this here when they say Jiwon is just an asshole but DG is a cinnamon roll,a baby and angel etc...
Jiwon so far has been a much better fleshed out character way more interesting and exciting than DG.
Its too bad that the author only shows DG's supposed evolvement and growth as a character only because of his involvement with Jiwon.
That only makes Jiwon more special in my eyes.
I don't know how to properly express it but Jiwon has shown character outside his involvement with DG but DG is only relevant because of Jiwon...

that's true. i was giving up anyway because of the obvious bias and overestimation towards jiwon.

I'm not Rae...I have no idea what you're talking about. I happen to follow Rae and like her. Like I said before, I wouldn't pay attention to anything you say when you yourself can't be objective and block people who have a different opinion

I'm getting tired and the weekend is almost over so I don't have much time anymore but still I disagree with the real hate Jiwon is getting and people only carrying about DG.
People degrade Jiwons character and only see an "asshole" while he is not and he is overall a great character who creates many emotions to people while DG is just someone you want to "protect because he makes cute blushing faces.That's all.

having 2 personalities and drawing a line inbetween sure is amazing and interesting. wouldn't argue with you on that but that doesn't prove that he hasn't done anything that harms others. or that dg is lucky that someone like alex fucked him. cause no. again i think you're really calling yourself out here cause dg is just experiencing the same pain that made jiwon the way he is.

I can totally be objective you go around other people's topics and mention my name.That's petty too.
And I only "spam" with replies only comment that are plain like "Jiwon asshole suffer" "Jiwon must suffer that's what he deserves"
And "Fuck you asshole.Jiwon doesn't deserve DG" those types of plain hate comments without any further objective reasonable content I reply too.
If someone is respectful and has good points I don't bug them.Or I just start a challenging discourse that's all.

Yeah sure you Rae and sugar are always there to object with everything I say and warn others about me lol.
Others can do whatever they want just don't talk to me or about me to others.

you don't want people to judge alex but you're judging dg. he's not just someone who makes cute blushing faces. he fell in love with someone so untouchable and people found that interesting like how you found alex's character interesting. dg is naive, indecisive and too selfless and now he's moving away from that. people feel more inspired and empowered by him. he radiates positivity because he moved away from all the negativity that he's allowed in his life. sure that change was dependent on alex but what matters most is the result of that. alex is amazing in his own right but not in a way that would inspire many people in a positive way like dg does.

This has nothing to do with RL. No ugly duckling in RL is lucky that a pretty boy looked at them twice, bc guess what: appearances and social skills doesn't make them less deserving of love, or the pretty boy a bigger prize. It's people who think that is true, but that's no more real than Santa riding a Unicorn. Those are fucked up values you are projecting here.

So: You may thing Jiwon is more interesting, that's your opinion. But he's not innocent.

DG is no saint, and in previous chapters everyone was so mad at him, but he is the victim.

And really, did you just missed like, three chapters of DG living his life without Jiwon? Having friends and going out? Having Jiwon being completely irrelevant to the story whatsoever to the point where people were wondering if this meant DG would meet someone else?

And that's a bit outside of the purpose of this manga to show DG and Jiwon's life outside their relationship, since this story is, y'know, about their relationship.

I don't even know who sugar is...you're paranoid to actually believe that.

Still Jiwon is way more interesting to me because he is the most complicated difficult one.
He is the most broken one and I'm interested to see how he is going to develop and finally be able to escape.Sure DG supposedly did and he owns it all to Jiwon but who and what is going to actually save Jiwon?
Jiwon getting out of his problems will be a greater inspiration because unlike DG he doesn't only represent someone who simply got hurt by his "first love" but something even more hardcore that people find to dark to even look at.
Jiwon represents someone who has suffered his entire life and has been abused by his family and never loved supported and appreciated by anyone for who he really was so he had to change and become someone else that everyone will like.
Jiwon is more interesting and inspiring because of the journey he has to go through in order to discover his true self again learn to love himself and accept himself and then starting to develop genuine bonds and relationships with people.
Jiwon has been judged way too much through his entire life he doesn't need anymore.
Most people here unfortunately just hate him and really only want him to suffer not for his development but because they want revenge for the "sweet pure baby angel DG".
That's what I have noticed the majority feel.
They don't care about Jiwon.
That's my problem that is why I talk about it so much in every given chance because it is unfair.
Jiwon is a greater inspiration because despite all his suffering he has managed so much in his life all alone and that's admirable too

If Jiwon gets over his problems that could encourage people who are so severely damaged as him and give them hope that they can make it too.
Again I don't think he has to beg DG and get hurt in order for him to become better.There are other ways.
Again as I said before people just hate him and want him to suffer only for DG.
That is wrong IMO.

This is something that needs to be addressed.

True, there's the element of blackmail here... but I don't think he's intentionally forcing Doyoon into a relationship in order to harm him. We'll just have to wait and see~

The fact that he is being forced is harmful itself.

Hm...that’s true~ Doyoon also admitted that the Director was persistent during sex~
I hope his true intentions will be explained...

Lol not true. Have u read love is an illusion?

Yes, I have read it,the top in love is an illusion TRASH AS WELL.

How so?

he acts all nice but forces sex gets the MC pregnant when they clearly didn't watch it.

well, I mean like out in the real world there are all types. I love this kind of pairing as well.