So I feel like I got scammed into reading this should've paid more attention to the rating how could this constitute as a good manga... The dude raped him an a very violate way and the dude didn't think he could kick him out after being violently raped but instead let him stay with him and rape and do what ever he pleased... how pathetic do someones life has to be to fall in love with someone that not only rapes them, but uses them... I hate pathetic ukes and he was the worst... this was a waste of my brain cells... Urg
It's fine if you are not into this stuff but you don't have to talk shit about it. Just stop reading it and look at something else. Even if people like reading this it does not make them bad people.
uhm, as with many other yaois, if the uke tried harder he could've really resisted - like punch the guy or kick or bite- but he didn't. It is a reoccurring theme where one guy does not have the guts to admit he is gay / in love with the seme so he says "no" half-heartedly because in many societies sex is seen as a duty between a married couple and this attraction towards no-means-yes stems from the past idea that woman who enjoy sex are sluts and it isn't something to enjoy, meaning a uke/woman that says no is a proper non slutty partner. If you don't like this type of theme skip out on 80% of all yaoi and probably 60% of all romance / ecchi manga.
Please always check the tags before reading a manga if it has rape in it. Believe me that'd be a bless and would really save your mood and time, just like it does mine ^-^ And I agree with you. This author's not into realistic portrayals of rape victims, rather into romanticizing it like 80℅ of other yaois. So I'd really suggest you to always check tags and comments before starting a manga.
Yes... I def learned my lesson a loooong time ago!!! But thanks for the heads up
I've read 100s of yaois and even if they have rape it still is this type of plot line (were they would date / fall in love with their rapist), nor were 80% of them rape... Your whole reasoning is so flawed I don't even know where to start, but my comment clearly stated I felt scammed, which I thought conveyed I didn't think it was gonna be about rape... Lastly the uke clearly did not want the seme to force sex on him, which makes it rape, and to stay with someone in that situation clearly constitutes a mental health issue, fiction or not!!!
I'm not reasoning anything. I'm not saying I agree with this train of thought, I'm just stating where it comes from - I myself don't think like this at all. Furthermore it is simply a fact that the higher amount of yaoi has rape or rape-themes in it [not BL or shounen-ai, I mean Yaoi as in BL with sex scenes and smut], this is not something I like or agree with but it's simply true, perhaps you read shounen ai or you were just lucky.
This is the most conflicted I've been about a manga I mean I love to be surprised but this went from 0 to 100 real quick then back to 0... I really didn't want this to be a rape manga it started off good... but then the rape wasn't even the worst part, I just hate how desperate and needed the uke became and the whole story line was over the place... the art was good and I think with the main plot it could've been so much better...
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY ^
At some point I forced myself to finish it, in hope for a good plot, but it wasn't meant to be...
Yeah i agree. its almost like the uke became brainwashed at a point and it left such a bad taste in my mouth.
I hope the people on here that can't honestly tell the difference between rape or not never find themselves a partner I genuinely fear for that partner... As for this Manga I don't know if it was the translation but most of the storyline didn't come across clearly, and I really didn't understand the seme so it made me not like him... First he was apologizing, then threatening, then blaming... I just really didn't care for the storyline, could've been so much better especially cause the graphics are on point... As far as the "RAPE" goes, I can genuinely get passed it if they make an effort, which he kinda did... I just wish the storyline wasn't so jumbled... and that my mood wasn't brought even further down by idiots that can't distinguish the difference between rape, and consensual sex... because FYI there is no 'inbetween'... URG (to think it's 2017, and people still don't know better... "I pity the fool")
well....just proves that there is still the fictious fantasy going around that people who say "no" actually mean "yes" - this fantasy get empowered easily by fictious stories....soo....
people still don't use their head and can't decide between reality and fictional world would be more accurate then...
though I honestly hope they can^^
Me too, me too...
Totally agree. This mangas has made so angry. The rape, the blaming, then he apologyze, then he threat him...WTF? it make no sense, its inconsistent and put the blame on him. (╬￣皿￣)凸 And yes, it was rape. Its fine if you like the trope but at least you should be able to tell apart consensual and no consensual sex. What freaks me out is that here are a lot of minors reading this things.
Eh, isn't yaoi like this supposed to be 18+ since it contains sexual scenes? Or at least 16-17 if not 18? It's honestly fault of the minor. They shouldn't be reading this kind of thing in first place. They're bound to stumble upon pieces like this.
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Honestly, I think he had bipolar disorder. It's make you completely changed your state of mind. Also, it makes it hard to behave with a hole understand of what is going on around you. Especially the thoughts or feelings of others.
What rape are you talking about? Yuu said himself he was the one who initiated the act, and the whole drama is about Chihari being rough and stubborn without apologizing afterwards. He wasn't raped, he just had it tough for his first time and then acted like a prude princess whose pride got crushed when his partner pointed out his flaws. Seriously, stop seeing rape everywhere.
overall it was a good storyline and it ended well... but I feel like Kuroe was blamed for everything that happened and I didn't like that... no one seemed to acknowledge the fact that ole boy cut off his arm... except ole boy, even Kuroe didn't think to blame him, without knowing abt the rape... to me that didn't make any sense... the person you love initiate contact, and you end up losing an arm for doing absolutely nothing wrong on your part, then everyone around you seem to be more concerned for that person, including yourself... I don't get it, Kuroe showed no concern for the fact that he lost an arm, and that it was by someone he loved... I just wish the arthur addressed that, and showed Kuroe feelings about that night... but especially didn't place all fault with Kuroe when he def wasn't at fault...
Japanese honor and the ideals of Bushido are based on an entirely selfless mindset. Absolutely every thought and action is carried out thinking only of others and never one's self. To most of us in the west and especially to young people, selflessness of that degree is a foreign concept. It requires sacrifices that we are not willing to make. That's not to say we are not capable of selfless behaviours, but their version is quite extreme. In this story's case, you see everyone acting selflessly. One way of being selfless is to not impose your feeling or beliefs on another. This is why no one opposed Kuroe's choice to take responsibility and blame for both Azuma's state and the loss of his arm. He felt it was a matter of honor. He believed that he had done something to Azuma with his actions that warranted Azuma's reaction of cutting his arm off. If anyone had opposed his choice of taking responsibility and blame, they would have been behaving dishonorably by imposing their thoughts and feelings on Kuroe.
In today's world these ideals are lost. Though there are a great many positive changes that have come about through the loss of these ideals, there are also many difficulties that have come from their loss as well. Courtesy and manners have been tossed aside and the idea of taking responsibility for one's own actions has given way to blaming everyone and everything but one's self. I often wonder if it was a good trade.
You explained that beautifully, thank you.
^yep that's about it
My apologies to both you and Mayumi for not responding to you sooner. I was without the ability to connect to this site for several months. Please accept my deepest apologies.
Also, please accept my thanks for your lovely compliment. I deeply admire the selfless values of the samurai. Only because, at one time, I was a very selfish person and it nearly cost me everything I hold most dear. I had to make some big changes to who I was as a person and the way I did this was to look to those who truly understood selflessness. I'm still selfish about some things, like determining one's own happiness and I am likely the least filial child on the planet. LOL Otherwise, I try to live in service to those I love ( provided it does not infringe on my own happiness in life LOL).
Again, thank you for the compliment and I hope you can forgive my delayed response.
I've been seeing you lots here ^^ And don't worry about your delayed response (≧∀≦) I hope your life is filled with happiness and grace instead of regrets~
Thank you, once again and I wish the same for you in return. I hope that you have not witnessed any of my less than admirable moments. LOL It feels like I have been on here forever, but if I gave up yaoi, I don't know what I would do with myself!
I haven’t been on my self for a long stretch of time, but there’s no need for apologies, I know we all have lives beyond this site. I’m glad you are back, your view and opinions are very insightful and honest. Please continue to share them.
Thank you so much. That is very sweet of you to say. I hope that, in the future, we can find some interesting topics to discuss together. I would enjoy that very much.