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Right? Some authors can make tighty whities look amazing but most are just giving granny panties

Same vibe with abortions. Ok, so you forcibly stopped a woman from getting an abortion (very probable is that she wanted it becahse she couldn't afford to raise a child). So once their hero complex is satiated who is going to take care of a mother and a child. People mostly do not care about consequences, they only care to satisfy their selfish egos. That's about it. Now this concrete suicidal character – so imagine he got justice for his child and wife – but that won't bring them back, the reason they lost their lifes is still there and well. I can only see the story progressing with that son of a bitch dying. God I hate him.

i think the MC just has a savior/hero complex in general, not just towards suicidal people. but i get your point, it's the same reason why we have guilt complexes/PTSD after witnessing something traumatic. especially if you were a bystander, or you had the ability to help/make a difference in the outcome of a shitty situation, but couldn't/didn't. it's not any more or less selfish to blame yourself in that kind of situation, than it is selfish to commit suicide.

that kind of stress alone sends the brain into survival mode, you aren't really thinking about what the victim felt in that situation, your mind is thinking "how can i make this guilt go away" and the way it does that isn't always rational or the perfect moral solution.

like, realistically speaking, there's no way for people to view a suicidal's person suffering if not through our perspective. how can we exactly "see" from the victim's perspective? and you can't exactly ask the victim that cause they're dead. people say "it's not your fault" because that's what they can do, that's the comfort they can offer to the person who is alive, rather than the person who is dead. yes, they deserved comfort and support, but that ultimately doesn't matter because they're dead. and "maybe we should have offered comfort and support when they were alive" is just another differently-worded guilt complex. anything you offer to a dead person is just grief.

we shouldn't talk ill of the dead, but maybe we shouldn't put people who committed suicide on a pedestal/treat them like a martyr either. because how come committing suicide is not selfish, but those grieving them/blaming themself is?

you're not wrong for thinking that, but it does kinda slightly come across as "whataboutism" this is just my perspective as someone who has attempted before, take it w/ a grain of salt

i think the MC just has a savior/hero complex in general, not just towards suicidal people. but i get your point, it's the same reason why we have guilt complexes/PTSD after witnessing something traumatic. especially if you were a bystander, or you had the ability to help/make a difference in the outcome of a shitty situation, but couldn't/didn't. it's not any more or less selfish to blame yourself in that kind of situation, than it is selfish to commit suicide.

that kind of stress alone sends the brain into survival mode, you aren't really thinking about what the victim felt in that situation, your mind is thinking "how can i make this guilt go away" and the way it does that isn't always rational or the perfect moral solution.

like, realistically speaking, there's no way for people to view a suicidal's person suffering if not through our perspective. how can we exactly "see" from the victim's perspective? and you can't exactly ask the victim that cause they're dead. people say "it's not your fault" because that's what they can do, that's the comfort they can offer to the person who is alive, rather than the person who is dead. yes, they deserved comfort and support, but that ultimately doesn't matter because they're dead. and "maybe we should have offered comfort and support when they were alive" is just another differently-worded guilt complex. anything you offer to a dead person is just grief.

we shouldn't talk ill of the dead, but maybe we shouldn't put people who committed suicide on a pedestal/treat them like a martyr either. because how come committing suicide is not selfish, but those grieving them/blaming themself is?

you're not wrong for thinking that, but it does kinda slightly come across as "whataboutism" this is just my perspective as someone who has attempted before, take it w/ a grain of salt

Omg my exact thought ! Who are we to be responsable of someone else’s life !
Saving him from his suicidal impulse won’t erase the fact that he’s missing his loved ones and that he is lost without them.
Just living, eating, working is not a life

I'd like to ask a question too. Could you look into yourself in the mirror without feeling guilty after you let someone take their own life for whatever reason? How many times that need to happened for you to finally lose all your emotion? I've been suicidal for years. The only time I usually felt bad is when I saw suicide happened when I feel like I could prevent that from happening.

Everyone's life is their responsibilities. Preventing someone from taking their life is saving someone's life. But we are not responsible for their whole life. There are social worker for that or some establishment to help them.

I feel like instead of him having a saviour's complex it was just basic human empathy? Your take, while slightly understandable, feels very individualistic. I feel like it's only normal that people would want to help suicidal people and would ruminate if the person ends up committing. Our world would be very cold and dark if we stopped caring about one another. The whole point of the story also is that the mc is a very righteous cop who is driven by the moral responsibility of helping others, even putting others above himself, so I would rule out him being selfish is this context.

Here's my answer to everyone, though I understand that wanting to prevent someone from commiting suicide and the feeling the guilt for not being able to do anything is basic human empathy—it still wouldn't change that you will and should now be responsible for carrying their burden as YOU prevented them from ending things on their own accord.

My point being: How and why are you deciding what's best for their life when you're not living in it? Why do you think preventing them from commiting suicide is what's best for them? Wouldn't it just prolonged their suffering? Can you guarantee that things will go better after?

This is exactly why I said we're looking at their situation from our perspective. WE believe that suicide wrong and isn't the answer to their problems and that THEY shouldn't do it.

And another thing, I disagree with anyone who believe that commiting suicide is selfish. How are you calling someone selfish for wanting to end their own suffering by the only way they know?

I'm not saying I would just let people commit suicide knowing I could help make their situation at least better by offering support, but I know there's only much another person can do to help. And I understand well enough that there's nothing else I could do for them but accept their decision.

I've read all the replies, and I think what everyone's saying is very understandable...but I guess this is a hill I'm going to die on.

Lots of love for everyone who replied and shared their own perspective. ( ◜‿◝ )♡

Literally was about to say that. I love this manhwa so much like where else will we see top's ass. This is revolutionary.

our bar is in hell we cheer at the sight of a tops hole this is genuinely cracking me up

I thought it would just be me. . He has a THICK southern accent when I read his lines and it’s a deep voice too. Lol and I’m from the south!