Hako's Topics (92)

Just read it

*distant chanting* "read it, read it, read it..."

no cause i was thinking that exactly.

Bahahahahhaa period

HELP IM CRYING

I love you for this

19 dislikes i agree with u tho speak ur truth

I don't have time to dwell on 19 rotten mangos

No. Trashta inspire shit

Neh, Trashta is evidence that if you are incompetent, greedy and classless, even being in the ruling class won't save your ass. And honeslty, I'm living for it.

Even so, she isn't pure evil. She put up with slavery for more than half of her life, was abandoned and raised in a harsh environment, she had hope her family would save her one day but they didn't. All she wanted at first was live gracefully but she became more and more greedy over time. She was blinded by the freedom and luxury she experienced for the first time in her life. I hate her too but she wasn't born evil, she was a pure kid who just longed for freedom at some point too.

But doesn't everyone have their reason for being evil though? Now if you develop a personality that doesn't take any accountability or responsibility, what would you expect yk. Fine she was greedy, but couldn't she atleast try to do the responsibilities that came with being an empress? Like wth man. She wants all the benefits without doing any of the work.

If I remember correctly she asked to but Sovieshit turned her down. Also that's basically the point of my comment. I'm not saying that we should stop disliking them and excuse their current actions just because of their past, what I'm saying is that even though people frame her out to be one Rashta isn't pure evil incarnate. She's naive, stupid and greedy but at some point she wasn't like that. She also had her reasons and experiences which shaped her to the way she is.

No she is shit she had so many pathways but she decided this path and that's what she gets. Every don't get to choose where to start but you can choose where to finish. She had sooo many chances to do the things she wanted to do but threw them away because of her greed

Y'all aren't seeing the point of my original comment I'm not defending anyone, I'm saying that all of them had their reasons and desires, but had different outcomes due to the choices or conditions they had. Even Rashta, the person everyone hates, isn't pure evil. She's just stupid and greedy and got the results of her actions handed to her on a rotten platter

Hahaha well yeah , she is stupid and greedy

But still she is mean. I think she has what she deserves. She can do things right... But she is always moved by resentment and envy... She is mean. And I want to see her dead. In the most pathetic way pls

Oop why? Spoilers pls!

Spoilers we want Spoilers

I have the exact opposite take on her, I think hestia is one of the best fl in isekai verse. She is strong and protects the ml at all costs. I even started disliking cael at sm point coz he wanted hess to stop everything even tho she was doing it for him. For me she shines brighter than anyone

I agree

Same

FR. Like at this point Hes can outshine without Kael.

Saame

I agree that she is in fact strong and all that, but the reason why I don't like her as much as I do other FLs (I still like her) is because she's not empathetic. I've already covered this in my debate with someone else so I'm just gonna copy paste that

This might sound a bit out of context since I was replying to another person's reply in that debate but here goes:

That's because they didn't even know that he was suffering at the time. From what I remember Helios probably did try to visit him in the original timeline too but just like how it is in this one Cael shut him down, and unlike now, there was no Hestia to help them reengage. In my opinion, although they had flaws and wrongdoings, they're forgivable. Taking revenge against them to a certain extent is okay, but in the novel where it went more on detail about what Hestia wanted to do, she already went a little over that line. They weren't consciously hurting Cael in the first place, and it wasn't as if they killed him with their own hands. They never wanted to hurt Cael, they just accidentally did so while following their beliefs/feelings and didn't notice it, which is a fault, but not bad enough to warrant complete destruction. Even after they apologized she still wanted to harm them more. She was even mad at Cael at some point because he defended the crown princess from being deposed. Not only that but she also realized in the novel that the revenge she was doing was not entirely for Cael. She was also trying to take revenge on them relentlessly because without it she believed that she would have no other 'purpose' in her life, something which Cael worked hard to fix.

I have the opposite opinion. I started disliking Hestia because even the victim already thought it was enough and yet she still kept pushing for something he no longer wanted. The way I see it, she doesn't view them as humans but rather characters in a novel still. She doesn't empathize with what would happen next to them if she kept unnecessarily pushing them into the corner. It's true that they indirectly caused Cael's death in the past life but they never wanted to actually kill him. Helios got Diana fair and square, and Caelus got punished for assassinating a noble family without trial (although it was for the benefit of the empire). She might look badass but in a way, shes also flawed. She's not the perfect revenge FL you make her out to be. If you look into that one line she said in the novel and think about it deeper you can almost faintly tell that she herself knows in the back of her mind that for the most part, aside from Cael's death, she's acting upon this revenge for herself because it's her 'only purpose'. She never thinks that it's enough, if Caelus didn't stop her, if the situation permitted it or if the author didn't want her to look to obviously unfeeling I feel like she would've even wanted to drive Diana and Helios to death. One thing that starts missing once people start gobbling up the actions the cool FL does is the morality behind her actions. Sometimes it goes beyond the line of 'cool' towards the area of 'unreasonable'.

Other stuff I copy pasted from a previous debate I had:

Yes, I did mention that he did it for the betterment of the country myself in my previous comment. HOWEVER, he ended the whole family line without an official trial. If we're talking public law, he basically just murdered/assassinated a whole family of nobles. That being said, there was no way Cael would've gone unpunished, mostly due to other noble families' backlash. They would've said that the royal family and Cael were in collusion/corrupt/biased. With that in mind, it was Helios' duty to give Cael punishment as the crowned prince even if they were friends. Hell Cael should've gone through the death penalty but he didn't because of his contributions to the country and their relationship.

What I learned from reading the story is that most of the characters are not just black and white:

Helios punished his friend and married the person his best friend also loved but he didn't do it with the intention of hurting him. He fought for Diana fair and square, and won. He also believed that since he 'got her' he should show Cael that they were happy so that he'd be rest assured that the person he loves was being treasured and protected by the one who got her.

Diana lived her whole life in church and never experienced hardships. Her whole world was the church, Helios and Cael. It was inevitable that she would grow extremely attached, dependent, and possessive of them. They were all she ever knew. Unfortunately the dark side to that is she was never able to properly process her feelings due to her overprotected upbringing so that attachment festered into regretful infidel love.

Fair and I agree as well