man, I think this is headed in the direction where the POS ml is going to threaten yeomin's loved ones until he comes back willingly. and yeomin will probably be ready to do whatever it takes just so POS ml doesn't hurt them, like even say he has feelings for the ml and accepting to have sex. but the ml will see that yeomin isn't into it at all, and realize the arrangement is not what he wants, bc he saw how yeomin was like when he genuinely cared about him. and the season will likely end with the POS ml letting go of yeomin, lying to yeomin and himself that it's not worth all this effort just for "some piece of ass", which is how he wants to keep seeing yeomin as. and next season I predict will have a significant time skip, with yeomin having graduated and become a teacher, but I don't know in what capacity they would be able to cross paths again
Lol accurate depiction of every toxic BL ever
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the mc is so ugly bruh what is up with those lips that somehow both look like sausages and also an anus??? he is also weirdly caucasian looking, when the artist did such a great job drawing the other characters that all look asian and have their own very distinctive features. sucks ass that one of the best looking characters is the lunatic crown prince tho
pinning a comment should be available by now what is going on
It's one thing to force money onto someone who doesn't want it (which is still a violation of consent), but breaking his dad's leg and throwing him into an asylum and then locking up Yeomin and making those threats... man, there's been some pretty toxic ml's recently, but this is just plain psycho criminal behavior.
I struggle to place this story in a genre, because on the one hand, we had some pretty funny scenes, like the ml saying that Yeomin was possessed by the protestant work ethic, so the story seemed lighthearted at times. but then there were some dark signs, like the ml threatening the loan shark about his young child, or him enjoying how "easy" Yeomin was. but those things could have been glossed over with an epic "falling hard" arc from the ml.
sadly, the story truly took a very dark turn recently and I can't see any plausible way out of this mess where they can end up together in a satisfying way for the readers. like what would that even look like? the ml would have to lose all his privilege, maybe even go to jail and realize how unhinged he is, go to therapy, do volunteer work, hell even donate his kidney, I dunno. I am truly baffled, I'll definitely keep reading to see where it goes (and to see cutie Yeomin finally escape and make a life for himself somewhere). however I don't predict I'm going to be happy with the ending, same as with Jinx and other stories.
why do authors do this bruh???? is there like a sick enjoyment for them to make readers hate the ml? are they trying to prove some weird point? I just don't get it
I totally agree. It seems to be an unfortunate trend these days. And after we worked so hard to get out of the gutter where BL started. Idk it seems like the writers think this is what the readers want and/or they are being pressured by publishers to include such elements. Although there are a lot of readers who don't want to see such things, there are a massive amount of readers paying to read these types of stories, why idk. The financial success of things like Jinx and this is undeniable, so I think you have a lot of creators and content platforms chasing that money with more and more of these trash storylines, ruining what could have been very good stories.
i can see the financial incentive, because a lot of readers love a problematic ml and stories with a redemption arc/groveling to win back the mc are probably popular. but the dosing of the shittiness of the ml has to be done right, you can't redeem any type of behavior or POS personality, at least not in a believable way. one of the best examples of a thoughtful redemption arc was in Banana Scandal, with the older brother. he definitely had his flaws, but he wasn't a fuckin psycho or altogether just nasty person.
these authors are just swinging way too hard in an extreme direction imo, unless I'm way off and readers actually find things like this hot or interesting. but in this story we see Yeomin being terrified of the ml and pointing out that what's happening isn't normal, so then wtf? how can you as an author think you can bring a character back from that level of deviance? i can already see some future chapters about the ml's childhood sob story about his mom or whatever, like that excuses this type of behavior. i dunno, I'm just bummed about a promising story going a bit off the rails
Yes, I'm definitely with you. I feel the same. I'm so tired of being excited about a new BL only for it to go completely down the drain. I always see comments of readers waiting for those redemption /groveling arcs, but to me it's like an urban legend because I've never seen one. All I ever see is the ml turning psycho and abusive and the Mc just staying or going back anyway "because love".
You know… I read problematic stories and very problematic ML (don’t come at me please).
But I am aware I am getting into one and what exactly I am looking for where I wanna read one.
My main pet peeve with this one specifically, for which I will actually even drop this story and maybe just read the ending is that all in all what is happening in the last set of actions does not make
1. Sense with the tone of the story itself action wise
2. Yes, the ML was definitely not a green flag since the beginning, we got the vibe. However, I feel this is like a complete disregard of the characterisation done until now.
Long story short, the author created a ‘good base’ and ‘mature’ characterisation, and then threw everything away with some cheap ‘black flag tropes’ which do not make sense in their set up.
Overall it really very lowered the level of the story.
Since the end of season one we got to know what would become the main issue for season two, and I honestly think there was definitely a more interesting and again ‘mature’ way this could have been handled instead of falling in overused tropes that do not really fit neither the story or the characters.
It is really a pity.
Yes this!
I kinda didn't want to comment and jinx it, but the author just keeps on delivering on her KPIs lol - great characters, great story, beautiful art, no weird plot devices or backing herself into a corner by making one of the characters become irredeemable etc. just some good ol' sexy romance fed to us regularly. I don't think I've seen a more consistently positive and enthusiastic comment section such as the one from this story in a while
I just picked this up and daaaamn, that sex scene from the second couple at the end of season one was absolutely
10/10 delicioso
I don't understand why readers expected the worst, uke already confessed his feelings before and seme said he's free to have them but to not expect a relationship. I myself don't get why the seme said to repeat "I love you" again when sober, when uke hadn't been drinking? did the seme genuinely think uke was drugged bc he was so thirsty?
prolly didn't expect anyone to actually love him for being himself
Probably more like a "in the moment" feeling than drunk. When serotonin/oxytocin are high, sometimes you think you love someone but it was just the biological chemicals making you feel that during sex. That's probably why he wants him to say it when he is "sober"or when he isnt high with the love hormones ^^
that actually makes sense, thank you!
I'm worried about the financial feasibility of a bakery like Ours being located in the Korean countryside lol would they have enough customers to make it work? my dorky self is sitting here worrying about the economic future of these cute fictional characters lmao
lol same.
True that
I'm still upset about the crossdressing and the seme's reaction to it and it's not bc crossdressing is bad. it's simply because, in this work in particular, it fetishizes female gender presentation, reinforcing that it is inherently more visually attractive and desirable. it also reinforces that masculine beauty is less valuable by itself, it is seen as more plain, neutral, even the "default". i think the author thought she dodged something when she made the seme say "I don't want you to be a woman", but the emotional subtext still felt like: "But I like you more when you resemble one." it's uncomfortable because it subtly reframes the attraction away from "I like this man" toward "I especially like him when he aligns with a more feminine ideal." i highly doubt the same scenario would land the same way if it was a couple of gay women and one of them dressed up as a man. also, it's pretty sad that the uke got so excited to finally be able to be open with his man in public, but what it took was for him to literally come across as a woman. it wasn't a heartwarming or funny moment, just sad :(
I think ur just overanalyzing the context, honestly. Like who ever said masculine beauty is less valuable? the seme is literally showcasing masculine beauty and people drool over him, if anything it's the uke wearing women clothing and being feminine that seems to be drawing flak when it really shouldn't coz lots of gays irl are legit like that. Also I think you're forgetting the seme is bi, he can appreciate both men and women, realistically he's more drawn to women since all his past relations has been that, how is it surprising that he'll like it when his partner looks like something that he's intimately familiar with? how else should he react? disgusted? it's just clothes too, he's not asking him to transition + he already slept with the dude multiple times, even sucked off his dih and hole, we can safely assume he's not disgusted by same sex anatomy
i don't understand bringing up that a lot of gay guys are like this irl, we're talking about gender presentation, not sexuality. why couldn't we have the uke also dressing in cool traditional clothing for men, same as the seme? because he's not as masculine as the seme, it wouldn't have looked as good on him or what? the seme couldn't still find him extra attractive in that version of the costume? as you said, he was perfectly capable of being attracted to the uke when he presented stereotipically masculine, so it's clear he's more fluid with the gender presentation he likes. i guess ultimately the question is - what does it add to the story for the readers to learn that the seme finds the uke more appealing as a woman?
coz that's what he likes and the uke didn't oppose it, didn't you just read the chapters? so long as it's consensual, so what? no one's forcing someone to do shit-- seme would like to see uke in a feminine attire which is a break from his typical getup, and uke has no problem with it and even welcomes it, so they do it. It's just readers like you finding faults in it coz u internally have issues with things that are considered feminine
i think you're missing the point. we're not talking about two private people living their private lives and making choices. we're talking about two fictional characters whose lives and choices and reasoning are witnessed by the readers, which opens the door to scrutiny about what was the author's intent and biases. my argument was that this story development reinforces things that feminists have been pointing out for a while, which is that femininity is inherently seen as more sexual and aligned to beauty
Guys its manga about gay porn both of you have very interesting perspectives but it's literally "the plot" of yaoi T^T
No shade ofc, it's just funny to see you guys give such progressive and deep thoughts on manga XD
ofc ofc ofc ofc it's more than gay porn, it's a story with a lot of depth and character, but if you flatten everything out that's what that is basically XD
wat r u even talking about? a dude dressing as a woman makes him a woman? just coz he's smaller and taking it in the ass? that's still a dude! he just happens to be wearing feminine attire (which he can take off whenever); also u lots don't call out buff ukes who wear feminine clothes like this, nor pretty boy tops, it's always the twink ukes acting femme that u have issues with, I'm starting to think yall lowkey just jealous
my initial interlocutor has serious problems with reading comprehension, so I'm gonna reply to your comment, which i found more interesting. it's true that this is just porn and we're here for a good time ultimately. i think the issue is that everything is political and when we're reminded of that in our yaoi, it kinda takes you out of the enjoyment. i have another interesting example, where an MM romance author teased she was gonna write a novel with the Alpha x Alpha trope in an omegaverse scenario, but she ended up finding a loophole to make one of the Alphas actually an Omega. she got a lot of backlash for that. not because there's anything wrong with alpha x omega stories, but because she deviated from the expectations she created and she had a history of being unable to present couple dynamics that were anything else other than "hyper masc top and hyper feminine bottom" so even porn cand lead to very interesting and thoughful discussions :D
if if you're gonna throw shade do it properly, what are u some grade schooler who wanted to use technical words to sound smart? lol you just sound like AI. Also if that was you're preference anyway then you shouldn't have clicked on this work, the uke was literally drawn the twinkiest twink from the first story already with full acceptance that he's gay and fruity, and now ya'll crying acting surprised that he's acting full femme? And again, I ask why only call out twink ukes for acting femme? why don't readers like you show the same type of disdain for buff ukes and pretty tops who eventually do wear feminine attires in their stories? matter of fact, why do yall celebrate it saying they slay or they look bonita or some shit, it's giving very selective and prejudiced
You're killing me, politics is destroying our yaoi XDDDD
But you're completely right, this type of stuff happens in yaoi, and not only in the storyline. The art style also sometimes makes the not so feminine seme suddenly super feminine and petite after a few chapters.
exactly! the theme of the uke being into feminine aesthetics and hobbies, and feeling highly self conscious because of it, is interesting and can be very well written & handled by the author in some stories, but it's not easy to do imo. Yamada to Shounen is a wonderful example, it's so heartwarming while also having a nice level of sexiness
This is so made by ai, no one types like this
i've had a few experiences in the past where people tried to make me feel bad about myself by saying I speak/ talk like a pretentious academic. i guess that has now evolved into me sounding like AI, which is interesting. i'm curious to see if i'm going to keep getting this jibe in the future
Dang you actually type like that, thats pretty cool hahahhaha
any ideas what's with the stock thing on the brother's phone? is the author setting him up to be a finance bro? i mean we are already primed to hate him with the way he was described by the ml and him being a third wheel, there's no need to add more unsavoury stuff lol