HelloweenOnion's Topics (55)

Have you never seen how a traumatized person acts? How ptsd works? Or even what being abandoned feels like. Even if she was ugly asf I would still take thalia's side. Because she is real, not unrealistic.

Had she been a reincarnator or transmigrator, my take would've been different. But not from childhood to adult hood she was brought up in a male dominated society where her half brother would assult her ever time she came in his sight, she was neglected by her mother, her maids, everyone around her. Not even a single person she could rely on. Not a single good memory to hold on to. And yall want her yo act like a badass villainess?

I never said trauma doesn't affect people. I never said PTSD isn't real. I never said abandonment doesn't leave scars. You're arguing against points I never made. Of course she's traumatized. Of course she's acting like a traumatized person. That's not the issue. The issue is that trauma is not an excuse.

You're saying she's "real" and "realistic" and that's why you take her side. Okay. But real people who are traumatized still get held accountable for their actions. Real people who have PTSD still don't get to try to kill their half-sister over a man and then hide behind their pain when someone calls them out. Real people who were abandoned still have to face the consequences of the way they treat others, no matter how much they've suffered. That's how reality works. Your trauma doesn't stop being valid just because someone holds you accountable, and being held accountable doesn't mean your trauma is being dismissed. Both things can exist at once.

Yes, her pain and trauma is real. But so is the harm she causes to other people. And you can't just wave that away because she suffered first.

You're also putting words in my mouth. I never asked her to be a "badass villainess." I said I came in expecting a smart, cunning villainess, and instead I got someone who acts spoiled and lashes out at everyone. There's a massive difference between "I wanted her to be a cold, calculating villain" and "I wanted her to not try to murder her sister over a man while screaming at everyone who tries to help her." Nobody is asking her to be a badass villainess. What I'm asking is for her to not want to murder her sister over a man. What I'm asking is for her to take even a shred of accountability for the ways she contributes to her own suffering. What I'm asking is for her to treat at least one person with basic human decency instead of screaming at everyone who tries to help her.

But fine. Let's say she's just a realistic portrayal of a traumatized person. Even then, realism doesn't make a character likable. You're using "she's realistic" as if that automatically means I should sympathize with her, but that's not how storytelling works. I can understand why someone is the way they are and still not want to be around them. I can acknowledge someone's pain and still not excuse the way they treat others. I can recognize trauma and still hold someone accountable for their choices.

At the end of the day, her trauma does not give her the right to want to kill another person. No amount of suffering changes that. No amount of neglect makes that okay. No amount of PTSD justifies attempted murder. You can be the most traumatized person on the planet and you still don't get to decide someone else's life is yours to take because you're jealous over a man.

You can love her. You can relate to her. You can see yourself in her. That's fine. But don't act like everyone who dislikes her just doesn't understand trauma. Some of us understand it perfectly well. We just also understand that trauma is not a get-out-of-jail-free card, and being a victim does not mean you get to victimize others.

God's.. if you don't like her okay whatever but seriously what is your issue

It's understandable to why she is the way she is and what's that you might ask well like a child, a child who was never taught not to have tantrums or get jealous or angry or all the emotions she has the way she is how she learned "worked" even if it's ass.

but how is she ment to know better when no one was there to help her you can hate her for it but you also know why she's like that

The issue is the fact you want her dead just cause of that which at that point stop reading if your tweaking about it..

You over her glazing her sister who has shown more then once she could give less of a damn about her multiple times and is very much aware the ML is the only support she feels she has and took that from her and continues to Ayla is the type of girl I would never want to be around just fake a fuck at least MC is real about her hate and it a easy okay one and done out of life sorta thing

I'm sure you've came a cross a fake person before in life it's not fun unless you haven't for reasons >->


Also from your first long as heck comment I have a feeling your the type of person who doesn't like blond and blue eye characters... Or even people... From that misogyny accusation..

Even tho I don't like Ayla she's still pretty they both are the fact that your accusing the author because of your personal issues is gross

You bring up beauty so much that I have a feeling your the type to base people off there looks which is pretty telling which also means

Your one of those types yikes
Imm out have a good day and keep ragging I guess :P

The fact that you're asking "what is your issue" when I've already laid out my issues multiple times tells me you either didn't actually read what I wrote or you're being deliberately obtuse. Given how confidently you misrepresented everything I said, I'm leaning toward the latter.
Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

I never said I wanted her dead. I said I'm rooting for her to die alone. There's a difference. That's just me saying I've given up on her as a character and I'm no longer invested in her getting a happy ending. You can think that's harsh and unfair but don't twist my words into something they're not. It's not a good look, and frankly, you're not good enough at it to pull it off.

You're also doing that thing where you assume anyone who criticizes the FL must be glazing Ayla. I'm not. I already said Ayla is two-faced and manipulative. I never said she was a good person. I said she was more likable. Those are two different things. Being more likable than the FL is not a high bar when the FL wants to kill someone over a man. That's just stating the obvious. I'd explain it further, but I don't want to overwhelm you.

And then you go off on this weird thing about me not liking blond and blue-eyed characters and basing people off their looks. First of all, that's a reach. Second of all, I brought up beauty because the story itself makes her beauty central to her character. That's just pointing out that the narrative and the fandom judge people by their looks. There's a difference.

Third of all, accusing me of being "one of those types" because I criticized an artist's patterns is not the flex you think it is cuz why are you headcanon things about me? Damn... just say you're out of words.

You don't have to like my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. But don't act like I haven't explained myself.

And don't come at me with "just stop reading" as if that's some kind of argument. I did stop reading. That's why I'm here talking about it instead of still consuming it.

Have a good day. I mean that genuinely. But maybe actually read what I'm saying before you respond next time. It'll save us both the trouble :P

and god fucking forbid a woman isn’t the perfect victim, appearantly. i feel like all the criticism thalia gets all circles back to the idea that she needs to quit acting like the traumatized character she is for the convenience of others, meanwhile no one has her best interest in mind.

“a starving person does not choose their meal”, it’s easy to judge a struggling person based on their actions because we’ll never have to experience the extremes they go through. i think media consumers especially struggle with that concept today more than ever, where punishment is being pushed over growth and understanding.

Did the main character even act like a victim at all? She didn't put Ayla's interests first when she was actively trying to kill her and traumatizing her. Did she consider anything about Ayla at all during that? She screams at the ML for not "protecting" her from problems she created herself. She blames everyone else for her misery while never once looking in the mirror. She wants to kill Ayla for "stealing" a man as if Ayla owes her anything. At no point does she stop and think "maybe I'm the common denominator here." At no point does she consider anyone else's perspective. At no point does she extend to others the same grace she expects for herself.
She might be a victim, but she is also an abuser who traumatized someone else.

Why should anyone be forced to pity a person like that? Everything she does eventually comes back to bite her ass, and yet she keeps blaming everyone but herself instead of taking responsibility for her own actions. The MC is so consumed by her own suffering that she can't even see that she's inflicting suffering on someone else. She's so focused on her own pain that she doesn't notice she's becoming the source of someone else's¯(º_o)/¯

i think traumatizing is a stretch tbh. remember, it was thalia who was met with excessive violence and beatings first just for existing around ayla in the first place. ayla may not lash out at thalia, but that’s because she doesn’t need to. ayla has gareth who gets angry on her behalf and meets thalia’s toxicity tenfold, so ayla gets be calm and detached from the situation and act soooo confused as to why thalia hates their guts while she does nothing to stop the brute force her brother meets her with. it’s a clear message being sent to thalia ‘don’t stand out of line or this is your punishment’, and the kicker? thalia recieves that punishment for merely breathing a little too loud in their vicinity; and with no one looking out for her, thalia has to be the one to speak up and fight against that. thalia was only pushed to the point of wanting to murder ayla once after varkas carried her, it’s not like she was repeatedly making attempts at her life. the most thalia had done to her up till that point was toss wine at her and rage bait her into reacting, and she does that to both siblings.

again i want to make the comparison of the starved person. thalia has not done what you’ve asked, but neither has ayla. not once has ayla genuinely cared or worried for her sister, the only time she stepped in to the excessive beating she recieves is when it stops benefiting her. ayla, who by comparison has a full stomach, is constantly sympathized with in the fandom for having a full stomach, meanwhile fed up at thalia for letting it be known that she’s actively starving. ayla gets shielded repeatedly from extending out any effort into helping thalia, but that expectation later gets placed on thalia instead to be understanding of ayla, who’s never done the same to thalia to begin with and hasn’t experienced extreme circumstances.

ayla being hated more than gareth wasn’t just because of a man, that specific man was just the breaking point that made thalia want to risk it all. it’s an interesting contrast i noticed, ayla who is loved and cherished by everyone falls for the one man who doesn’t swoon for her, meanwhile thalia falls for the one man who showed her an ounce of warmth before she entered survival mode.

in any case, it’s easier to sympathize with ayla because we don’t see her at her absolute worst like thalia is. which brings me back to my previous line; a starving person does not choose their meal.

Uuuuuhhh okay I'm gonna just assume your like in highschool or something and just online to much sorry kid enjoy your other story's I guess??

Nah fr, some folks here are so prissy because of a FICTIONAL ship. I mean, some of the djs are aged up gofushi.. and they then make the excuse that its still weird because gojo "raised" him. (He didn't. He dropped by frequently & stopped the zenin clan from taking fushiguro, but he didn't "raise" tsumiki & fushiguro)

They try and pull out every excuse from their assholes. The age gap, knowing fushiguro since he was a kid, the fact majority of gofushi djs unspecify the ages, etc. But then when it comes to their comics that have these type of tropes, they turn blind to it. Like wtf

I just came here to goon, why i get blamed :()

Me too but not now

I need to see Q getting fucked in the ass by a big cock until his belly is swelling

Ohh nvm I'm right here

ikr! mxtx was able to write wei ying fucking lwj’s sword, imagine what they was capable of writing for hualian without china’s freakass censorship

mxtx has stated that hua cheng has the best "technique" and biggest "you know what" from all their novels. (mdzs, tgcf, svsss) so you know what we were robbed off. actually china's censorship increased after the 227 incident resulting in ban of ao3 and increased censorship in webnovels. the danmei authors were getting literal house arrests and legal actions ('the next time you think the govt won't do that, oh yes they will' moment) that's why danmei's after 2020-2021 are pretty tame compared to older ones. now the things have started becoming better and spicing up, but it still affects authors alot.

uh yeah, we know that much, just saying what freaky shit hualian couldve been doing without the censorship as if eating ass would plunge their nation into war

Wait tell me please if the extras are here????

It's only in the novel in volume 8! The manhua isn't complete yet

Oh yes,thank you sm!