heloooo. im looking for a bl manga where the guy have some kind of disorder or something where he cant read atmosphere and is very blunt, then one day he eats in a resto where he meets the other guy
the other guy is a chef and he realized he doesn't want the others to know that the guy with disorder is actually such an adorable one
thank you! but huhuhu iz not this ons
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Hi hi! Im looking for a bl mahwa where b1 is uh kinda deprived from love so here comes b2 who loves b1 wholeheartedly but someone told b1 if he really loves b2 or only because b2 was giving him the assurances and feeling of being loved. then b1 to reflect and got really thinking and unsure so he tried to broke up with b2 but b2 got really mad and agreed that b1 is really just thinking about himself and not how the other person feels
Ah! found it! hugo
can you tell me the name of the mahwa it seems very interesting
Sounds like Wreck it Ralph
They just said Hugo, silly ass
oooohh, sorry i thought that was another word for yay l
hello! i binge read Remarried empress webnovel and im dying to read the next chapter but mi has no funds for it so can anyone recommend a webnovel like remarried empress?
Hi! I am opening this discussion since i believe MangaGoers are very diversed and critical, and we all have seen how we view and discuss certain issues there are on mangas.
So, after seeing a lot of threads in some manga/manhua, there are still some people who justifies rape with their argument that it's only fiction! or that if the person didn't "mind" it then it's not rape! A certain manhua's premise is literally rape where the girl's under the influence of drug and ML had sex with her, for everyone, is this rape or not? Now, what if we'll take in the factor of how it was afterward? So when the gurl woke up, she apparently didn't react in any violent manner or something, and thus other people justifies that it's ok since the gurl herself didn't mind.
Some questions i'd like to hear from everyone especially those who dont believe in sex in fiction, 1) How do you define rape? 2) What are rhe factors that make a sex into rape? 3) What makes it not rape? 4) Is everything justifiable/alright as long as it's fiction?
(this is why i love mangago aside from it's a manga website, you learn and discuss things with the other users! maybe i should make a study based on this website. if some also noticed, we can make a study of the readers development and the pattern of, if i dare say, the improvement of the readers social awareness based on the comment sections! or like the trend of readers comments, or like when did readers started to get out of the idea that no need to get agitated on fictitious stories!)
ANYWAY! Thank you to those who will answer! lezz begin!
EDIT:: i realized i asked some wrong question and missed my point due to my phrasing. to clarify on, i'd like to raise the issue of do we recognize rape in fiction the same way we do irl or not? because it seems like there are many times we missed it as such because it's just fiction. also coming from argument like since the character didn't mind it, then it's no rape (which also happens in real life but is more prevalent reaction in reading ) do we dismiss the event as no rape?
Please don't make a study on a website that hosts illegal and illegally pirated content, dear.
Lmao, I can already see the paragraphs being typed in the replies. In my opinion, rape in manga it's pretty much ok, I mean it's fiction. If you get off on it, the you get off on it. People with the argument that it makes people do it in real life, I honestly think most people are mature enough to not rape someone because they read about it, even if there are 9 year olds on this site. If people read about ruthless murdering in a novel, do they necessarily go on a killing spree? I'd hope not.
Well, I have just rewatched Hannibal for the second time and I'm not thinking of eating another human.
See the delineation there is that people don't recognize that something bad happens. With murder, you know it's bad because the consequence is easily visible. Murder = someone died. With rape, the consequences are all internal and it's a lifetime of suffering--and fiction just throws all that out like there's no effect on the victim.
It's why even writers in Hollywood get a lot of flak for rape. The D&D brothers from Game of Thrones come to mind, where they didn't even realise that one scene was rape and even when the audience cried foul that it was rape they'd make reasons like, no it was passionate sex.
So i am sorry bit i am going to answer that in portuguese cause is 23:00 at my country and I am sleepy but i wanna answer that ,pls use Google Translator ir something
Então,eu acho que a comunidade em geral do mangago não justifica tanto o estupro como as outras comunidades que eu já vi,e o povo daqui parece ter uma consciência bastante alta , inclusive apontando obras que tem um caráter problemático mais oculto (o que me deixa orgulhosa dessa comunidade)
é claro que tem alguns qu
e justificam e hora ou outra aparece um mangá meio ruim em destaque (sim How to Obey eu tô falando de você) mas a comunidade logo corrige e os comentários floodam mostrando como aquilo é errado,eu vejo mais romantização de relacionamento abusivo e tóxico e estupro,etc,nem por partes dos leitores mas sim dos autores mesmo em manhuas(comics chinesas),não que mangás e manhwas não tenham ,mas não sei dizer parece que as chinesas é pior ,tipo os mangás são bem mais gráfico mas os manhuas são mais normalizado ,entende?
Agora eu vou responder as perguntas,peço desculpas pelo texto mas é que a sua Quest me fez pensar e eu tinha que escrever eu tava com sono e nem percebi.
1)eu defino como estupro qualquer ato sexual em que a vítima não pode consentir, parcialmente ou não,ou seja shota/loli-con é estupro,a pessoa tá bebada?estupro, relacionamento abusivo ? estupro.O parceiro está numa posição de autoridade que dependendo do contexto a pessoa não pode recusar? estupro
2)quando o consentimento é duvidoso e quando,e a partir do momento que a vítima recusa ou diz não
3)Quando a pessoa consente e tem total condição de consentir
4)então ,eu não vou condenar quem gosta dessas coisas , é melhor ler um mangá shotacon do que ver pornografia infantil .... eu não tenho nenhum problema com estupro e etc desde que o autor tenha uma sensibilidade e não ROMANTIZE,acho que o problema não é o estupro e sim a sua romantização e normalização.
Por um lado eu acho que se todas os mangás problemáticos fossem proibidos não ia mudar porra nenhuma o número de estupros ao redor do mundo
Por outro não consigo parar de pensar que o artista de certa forma quando escreve,tem uma certa responsabilidade e influencia para a sociedade então quando ele for escrever sobre qualquer tema ele deve pesquisar e escrever com responsabilidade e um pouco de sensibilidade sobre
E mano se vc tiver fazendo essa pesquisa eu estou torcendo para vc estar fazendo por diversão pq tipo isso aqui não tem nenhum valor acadêmico
Right! Thank god you pointed it out!!
The argument, people Watch/read something make them do/not do it in real life, missed my mind. Wasnt thinking about it at all but i get the point. What about the issue of recognition... or in this case, recognizing rape as rape in the stories? based on the few replies, i realized i asked some wrong question and missed my point due to my phrasing. to clarify on, i'd like to raise the issue of do we recognize rape in fiction the same way we do irl or not? because it seems like there are many times we missed it as such because it's just fiction. also coming from argument like since the character didn't mind it, then it's no rape (which also happens in real life but is more prevalent reaction in reading ) do we dismiss the event as no rape?
I think i missed the point of what i want to discuss due to my phrasing so, putting aside this point, how would you recognize rape in stories?
i hope i make sense
since you raised it, maybe we can post a new thread for this!
Thank you so much for answering! And i'd like to agree on the point of normalizing or romanticizing such issue mostly by the author and how it influnces readers in some way! There are very few authors who shows the real degree of such wickedness. It is also great to point out that we change also because of these kind of stories. We learn from these stories by recognizing its flaws and by other readers opinion.
And thanks for pointing about the study! if i'll ever get to it, it will be just for fun :)
Why do rape arguments always pop up on the main page so often like seriously we've had debates about this so many just stop like geez
eh, another....raaape discussion which will end nowhere
who says it ends nowhere tho? just because it was already discussed once, twice, or maybe 20 times, does it mean we don't have to discuss it any longer? but what about those who hasn't have a grip yet on what is rape? should they be left alone knowing misconceptions and faulty knowledge?
In my case, i raised this again because manhuas, which have such trope, are growing in number and still a lot of readers do not recognize such flaws in stories.
It's fine tho if you're tired of this topic, this is meant for those who would like to engage critically
just copy-pasting my reply here.
just because it was already discussed once, twice, or maybe 20 times, does it mean we don't have to discuss it any longer? but what about those who hasn't have a grip yet on what is rape? should they be left alone knowing misconceptions and faulty knowledge?
In my case, i raised this again because manhuas, which have such trope, are growing in number and still a lot of readers do not recognize such flaws in stories.
It's fine tho if you're tired of this topic, this is meant for those who would like to engage critically
altho getting tired of this topic, and stopping after a few debate is problematic in itself.
altho getting tired of this topic, and stopping after a few debate is problematic in itself.
Maybe you should create a discord/group chat or something then so people will always have a resource to debate because I've seen this topic come up too many times with the same type of argument; it isn't going anywhere.
Just an endless cycle on repeat.
Rape on manga or manhwa is a part of the stories so.. if some people want to remove that then the story will missing some plot
hello. there is nothing to debate about the definition of rape. no consent = rape. the real issue is that most of the people on this website are around 13 years old, which means they are in the process of figuring out their morals and value systems. a lot of people on this site downplay rape in yaoi and manga, suggesting that rape is ok because 'the victim didn't get mad' or 'the victim forgave them', and the result is a bunch of impressionable kids (and adults) not being able to recognize for themselves what rape really is. the fact that yaoi is full of rape is not the biggest problem here; it's that it's become so normalized that people aren't recognizing it as rape anymore.
This right here
This is kind of silly because an author has absolute power over the stories they're telling, in terms of the events they depict in the plot. They can change the plot so that rape isn't necessary, especially if they're not going to seriously deal with the negative consequences of it. So many times in BL, rape is used to bring the main characters together when I can think of several other ways that could happen consensually. This is not to say that rape should never ever happen in a story or that it can't be used in a plot, but it's too often done in a flippant way. And so it's glossed over by readers. I don't think that's a good thing.
I've been thinking lately that the prevalence of rape in BL in particular might be explained in part by the fact that authors often don't have many chapters to develop their stories. They might only have a one shot. People's eagerness for sexy scenes only intensifies the pressure. Of course, if people really thought hard about it, I'm sure they can come up with plots that involve characters hooking up consensually.
I say all this because I like smut but I'm not cool with all the rapey stories that really don't need to be that way.
well, that's a good suggestion. I think i should make an acct.
btw, with these kinds of discussion, do you have any hopes on where it should go or how it should be?
http://www.mangago.me/thing/about/46808/
I think that you were looking for a similar response as Mameiha in the previous topic.
But as others have pointed out at least 2 topics about rape in fiction get started each week.
I am just wondering, does anyone know what was the first shounen ai manga/anime to be produced? You see, what i know is that Kaze to Ki no Uta is considered as the first BL manga and then i saw this comment on anime-planet that Patalliro Saiyuki is the first shounen-ai manga/anime... now i am wondering if that is true... or maybe op was only pertaining to first anime to be released?
tbh, idrk about patalliro.
it's not that this is such a big matter but I just want to have extra knowledge about this
I’m pretty sure Kaze to Ki no Uta came out two years before Patalliro. I could be wrong though.
I see! Thanks for replying! I guess i have to read Patalliro now since it's a really old one.
It’s pretty funny, but it helps to know a lot of the references made. I hope you enjoy it!
I only noticed it now but is the subscription box always been there or is it new? when rating/commenting/marking the manga
feel like it's new but at the same time i kinda remember seeing it there but only now it actually caught my attention and sinked in me.
also i have a lot of manga i follow that doesn't notify when it updates T.T
quite humilitating but i just realized that as a bl reader, i tendency to have prejudice against characters who sleep around but there's quite a lot of time, too, that it's ok for me... so i noticed that im ok with it if the character is kind more brusqe or “manly” looking but it's not ok if the character doesn't look that way... but ofc there's also sometimes that im not ok with any especially if there's cheating OR THAT IM OK WITH EITHER. Like more than anything else, it's ok or not ok depending on the character's personality or characterization?
just to be clear tho, i dont have problem with real people on what they do, have sex as much as they want or not, its not my business. it's just that when you read something for fun ofc you'll have tendencies of liking or not liking something. So i hope other reader's who will read this will keep their mouth zipped instead of blabbering that im slut-shaming.
I hope you, guys, also understand that sure it can be fine, even with me, as long as it doesn't concern me, but ofc, if it's directly involved to you, in a sense that you read it, u're invested on it, ofc it'll affect you.
like u know, there should be respect to everyone's belief, if they dont like something, dont diss them and accept the fact that there are different perception on this topic but ofc have to be reminded too (myself and people like me) that theres a limit to what we say and how we act.
tbh, even with this kind of thinking, separating real and fiction, i think that it's still wrong of me to have such stance and im still in the process of removing this kind of thought even towards fiction....
well im blabberng but bottomline is, there are different opinions and belief on some topics and sometimes its not just a matter of being right or wrong because we all have rights to have our preferences as long as we're not hurng someone or something and i believe we all know where to see that line... so people who diss at people when they have different opinion ex. with an OP, i really really hope that we can tone down just a little bit.
what i posted is not constructive and very offensive so im actually hoping to read a constructive replies that may help me
I think you’re very brave for posting this without going anonymous; and I think you’re on the right path for just being aware of it.
I tend to do the same, but I’ll say there’s prejudice in “no” prejudice. (You make the judgement to not make a judgment.)
What I’m trying to say is... Just live girl/boy!! It’s okay
Oh I feel the same too. It probably has to do with how I'm asexual so I don't really relate to highly sexually active people. I think there's really nothing wrong with having a preference as long as it isn't something illegal. If you consume something illegal it means you're promoting it, because fiction reflects reality no matter how much you deny it. But then again whether or not something is legal/should be consumed is really grey e.g. varying degrees of dub-con.
Which is why there really is no universal rule to it. I wouldn't go verbally harass someone for consuming these things, but I would be in favour of banning "morally wrong" fiction altogether.
I dont exactly know how to describe it but does anybody else feel when theyre reading some part very angst/painful/hurtful like miscommunication, break up, hurtful words, u feel that sudden tingling like a rush or soemthing from your heart to youe hand's fingertips, and then when the “hurt” is much more, it can reach to the feet?
is this also the feeling when u break up?
also, i wonder if its normal to love this kind of feeling, that sudden rush, pain, and tingling..
its like if there's cupid shooting arrows, then this one is shooting u with gun. fast and i really think it hurts... but the main thing is it tingles
and it feels good... to the point that i always look for manga/anime with too much angst (but not really forced and unnecessary angst) just to have that kind of feeling again
i feel. i also feel the pain/pang. that’s why i always prefer some ‘angst’ in stories..i love it when it hurts.
God! And here I thought I was the only one feeling this way or looking for things that'd make feel this why!
Beside what you said it feels like a sudden heat rush from your heart to the whole chest to other body parts! Sometimes you can feel it in your throat? *pang*
Anyway I also find it very hard to explain it to others or how I enjoy it! Glad to know I'm not the only one tho lolol
No matter the genre I really like watching or reading things that'd make me feel this way, but I'd hate it if it was a pain my heart can't handle!
For me i dont feel tingling sensation..
But sometimes when i read/see any hurtfull scenes i get the feelling that somone punch/squeeze/pinch/shot etc.
its just.. its really painfull like im the one whos experiencing it.. and i love the feeling of it (=・ω・=)
so that's the pang! i mean, its like i know these words but i actually dont know hot it feels or anything like its there but its so foreign XDD
also, i only feel this way with manga/anime/movie but never through my own experience. i guess i should be glad i haven't feel such hurt myself yet
I can't recall feeling this way irl! Only in the fictional dimension I'd enjoy feeling it cuz as you said "it's not happening to me" ,, any painful feeling irl is shitty af and there's no single enjoyment in it :(
Any recommendation for full colored, shojou/josei manga/manhwa?
can be isekai or not. and uh likeable characters please. and not very cliche isekai if possible. something like female knight and tge emperador oooor miss not so side kick or something hehe
not colored is ok too! as long as the story is good T.T
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/as_you_wish_prince/??
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/goodbye_in_law/ (recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_library_needs_a_witch/ (highly recommended so far, but still depends on future chapters)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_duchess_with_an_empty_soul/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_archmage_s_daughter/ (highly recommended fluff)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/i_choose_the_emperor_ending/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/tearmoon_empire_story/ (recommended, pretty funny)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/i_was_born_as_the_demon_lord_s_daughter/ (highly recommended for fluff)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/herscherik_the_epic_of_the_reincarnated_prince/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_moon_witch_and_the_sun_king_my_salvation/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/beatrice/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/may_i_ask_for_one_final_thing/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/kakuriyo_no_yadomeshi_ayakashi_oyado_ni_yomeiri_shimasu/ (has an anime i think)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/sincerely_i_became_a_duke_s_maid/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/a_capable_maid/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_villainess_slow_prison_life_began_with_her_broken_engagement/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/when_i_woke_up_twenty_years_passed/ (highly recommended so far)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/lucia/ (recommended so far)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_duchess_50_tea_recipes/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/madougushi_dahlia_wa_utsumukanai_dahliya_wilts_no_more/ (i think there are two versions)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_immortal_girl_and_her_contract_with_the_demon/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_alchemist_who_survived_now_dreams_of_a_quiet_city_life/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_villainess_reverses_the_hourglass/ (recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_evil_lady_s_hero/ (highly recommended so far)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/living_as_the_tyrant_s_older_sister/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/what_kind_of_empress_is_this/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/charlotte_has_five_disciples/ (highly recommended)
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/beware_of_the_brothers/ (recommended)
okay i think i got carried away lol. many of these are famous so maybe you've read them already or maybe even all. idk if these are to your taste, but i hope you like them! because these kinds of stories are my cup of tea.
Oooh! i'll try this! and i see some bl ahahaha
THANK YOU!
I. uh. wow. THANK YOU SO MUCH! im thinking that i'll like the list as i also read some of your recommendations (if not half of it)
I'll have something to last me for this week! wieeee