Finally our pathetic dramatic seme and obsessive confident uke is here for side story ヾ(☆▽☆)
Idk why but i kinda ship olga with taekjoo rather than taekjoo with zhenya. You see atleast taekjoo can have normal conversations with olga and i saw him became a bit comfortable with her while zhenya.. man, you better treat taekjoo better cause what i see now he just raping him all the time like where's the chemistry???
Those downvotes on your comment say it all. People don’t care about healthy relationships or what’s good for the MC anymore, it’s all about their ship and what they want
If someone defaults to heterosexual pairings, then maybe BL isn’t the genre for them. If the argument is just about “normal conversations,” then why not ship Taekjoo with Jongwoo instead?
This is a BL story, so pushing a female ship for the MC completely misses the point.
And we’re not even halfway through the original story yet—of course the romantic chemistry isn’t fully developed. That’s intentional and builds over time.
Comments like this come off as dismissive of BL as a genre.
You’re reading Codename Anastasia and expecting a “healthy relationship” standard? That’s not really the point of this story. You sound just as tone-deaf as the person you replied to.
Man, dude. If you're that bored and you trynna find heterosexual in the story then fvcking read BG instead. Why tf would you even ship a man and a woman in a bl story. And the sounds of your comment is like you're expecting fluff here, lmao. Read the tag would ya, it's not some damn fluff, the ML is clearly a deranged psychopath who tries to develop human emotions and here you are shipping his sister to the man who will make him realize what human emotions are. You stink asf, dude.
Because there's no fvcking healthy relationship here in the first place???? What are you even trying to defend? Both of them are toxic, that's why they're both match each other's freak. What the hell are you even expecting here?? Fluff? Romance like some high school love story? You're literally in a category of action and dark romance here. And of course it's about the ship, IT'S BL. You don't ship a man and a woman in BL. Do you that in BG stories??? Do you ship both ML and 2nd ML rather than FL? Do you ship the FL with her friend?? HAHHAHAAHAHAHA people like you guys should really just focus on BG and fluff category, you guys don't belong here. You're literally on dark side of BL manhwa and you kept spreading your dirt here
dont like dont read
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I see this same pattern in straight stories too. You guys ship heterosexual characters with the same gender in straight stories and everyone laughs, but the moment people do it in a yaoi, suddenly it’s a problem.
No one is forcing anything on you. You clearly didn’t understand the original comment, that was just how they felt. It’s not like their opinion is going to change the genre of the story.
So let people be, honestly. Why are you so pressed about it
Someone seriously needs to shut up, you’re just spewing a whole lot of nonsense. Yes, we know it’s a toxic story. We can read, and we clearly don’t support or like the situation the characters are in.
It’s not abnormal for a reader to say, “I don’t like a rapist ML and wish he’d end up with someone else,” even if that someone happens to be a woman. The funny thing is, your issue isn’t even that we’re shipping him with another character, it’s that the character is a woman. That’s why you’re triggered.
Like I said before, it’s not like our opinions are magically going to change the genre of the story. So stop acting immature and let people say whatever they feel about it.
I’m not reading this story because of any of you, and I’m definitely not some closed-minded yaoi reader who can’t see beyond their ship, so piss off
the difference is that heterosexuality is the "norm' and you can find it everywhere you go. Not ONCE were straight people seem as mad or illegal. Im saying this as a gay man, By shipping Olga and Taekjoo that's erasing gay representation. Shipping characters in a straight story with the same sex is fine because its not erasing anything. You cant erase straight people because theyre everywhere. Shipping characters in a BL or GL with the opposite sex is not fine because youre erasing representation. Straight people were not KILLED for being straight. Queer people were mocked, jailed and killed for loving someone regardless of gender identity.
by shipping them its technically homophobia
Well of course I would be pissed you're shipping a man from a BL with a woman. It's a BL, not a BG. Wouldn't you get pissed if a straight man from BG get shipped by a straight man too? And you're the one who should be piss off, spreading your dirt here like some stray dog. Just because you have the free will to express your opinion you should express it, some opinions should keep to themselves especially if IT'S FVCKING IRRELEVANT AND TRASH LIKE YOURS. Piss of slop.
That sounds very one-sided and double standard. This isn’t the real world where people are oppressed, this is fiction, where people are free to interpret stories and characters however they want.
I agree with some of your points, but not all. I believe the same standards should apply across every genre. If people say you can’t ship straight pairings in a yaoi story, then that same rule should apply to straight genres too. And if it is allowed, then it should be allowed everywhere.
It’s not like someone shipping a pairing is going to erase a character’s identity anyway. Bisexual people exist, and interpretations can vary.
I honestly don’t understand why some of you are so triggered over a harmless comment, that wouldn't even hurt an ant
How very clean of you, telling someone to “take their dirt elsewhere,” when in fact you’re the one with the disgusting dirt, throwing insults. If you can’t express your opinion without attacking people, that says more about you than anyone else.
You can disagree with someone without being a bitch. It’s really not that hard.
At the end of the day, you’re entitled to your opinion, and I’m entitled to mine. I’ll say what I think wherever I choose, but without being unnecessarily rude about it, unlike you
Literally it doesn't matter how I approach you. It doesn't matter if I'm rude and if you're not. Because the points stands— YOU DON'T SHIP A BL MAN WITH A WOMAN.
Who made that rule? But somehow it’s okay to turn straight characters gay?
And honestly, even if it wasn’t his sister and it was a guy instead, I’d still have the same opinion, as long as they treat the MC better than the ML does.
What I don’t get is why some of you get so triggered and start playing the victim, calling others homophobic, when it feels like you’re the ones acting as if being straight is somehow taboo in a yaoi genre.
As long as no one is forcing the artist to change anything, people should be free to ship their own headcanons, whether straight or gay. It’s not like that’s going to erase or affect anyone’s identity
"when it feels like you’re the ones acting as if being straight is somehow taboo in a yaoi genre" well, obviously?? Would it be still called Yaoi in the first place if both ML AND MC are straight? NO. You can turn a straight man into gay if it's BL. You can turn a gay man into straight if it's BG and BOTH ARE OKAY.
It's called Yaoi/BL in the first place because it's about two men. Not a man with woman.
"And honestly, even if it wasn’t his sister and it was a guy instead, I’d still have the same opinion, as long as they treat the MC better than the ML does." AND THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE IT'S BL. You ship a man with a man! You either ship the MC with his friend, with his boss, or with the ML's brother AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THAT'S BL.
Seriously, girl in which part of my statement in "You don't ship a BL man with a woman" you don't understand? is it that hard to understand?
You can ship any character you want, straight or gay, because it’s fiction, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions and headcanons. I don’t understand what’s so hard to grasp about that.
As long as no one is demanding that the artist change the character’s sexuality, it shouldn’t be an issue. And let’s be honest, I’ve seen some toxic yaoi fans do the same thing in straight stories, even going as far as wishing certain characters were gay just because of their looks or the art style.
But somehow, I don’t see that same level of outrage there. The moment someone makes a harmless ship in a yaoi story, one that isn’t disrespectful to anyone or the characters, it suddenly becomes “wrong” or “harmful.”
I won’t be the first or the last person to ship characters in ways that don’t strictly match the story’s canon. So maybe stop being overly sensitive about it and acting like someone is trying to erase representation.
It’s really not that deep, I promise
"You can ship any character you want, straight or gay, because it’s fiction, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions and headcanons" YES, You're absolutely correct. But at least read the room and don't be insensitive about it, if it's labeled as Yaoi, it should stay as YAOI, you don't "Ohh, I ship him with a girl". It's not that hard to respect the flow of the story.
And please, spare me the "it’s not that deep" defense. That’s just the universal calling card for people who lack the media literacy to understand why context and subtext actually matter.
Maybe the reason it feels like everyone is "overly sensitive" is because you're just incredibly tone-deaf. But hey, just like you said, it's just fiction. Just like your logic.
Lol, look who’s calling someone tone-deaf. I don’t need to “read the room” when my opinion isn’t targeting any real person or being disrespectful to anyone or the characters.
Maybe you should focus more on actually reading and understanding instead of twisting people’s words to fit your narrative.
If saying, “I like and ship this character because they treat the MC better and have more chemistry,” is somehow rude or offensive to you, then maybe you need to step outside and touch some grass, it might help lol.
It’s just funny how you don’t even follow the same standards you preach
maybe just stop reading lmfao
Can you explain what I didn’t understand about the original comment?
If that’s how they felt, that’s fine, but people are allowed to respond to it. That’s how discussions work. You’re entitled to your opinion, and so am I. :)
And your comparison doesn’t hold. Acting like same-sex shipping in straight media is always “laughed at” ignores the fact that it often gets backlash—sometimes openly homophobic, and even misogynistic toward fujoshis. Step outside BL spaces and that’s usually the reality.
In a genre with LIMITED representation, comments like that come off as dismissive. That’s why people react.
For someone who claims to be open-minded, dismissing that reaction is what actually misses the point.
That's why is an argument people are allowed to dismiss others opinion they don't agree or align with, it's nothing out of the ordinary lol, And the original comment wasn’t even rude or derogatory toward anyone or the characters. They even went on to explain why they ship them together, they like how comfortable he is around her and the moments they share, unlike the ML, who has mostly only abused him.
I’m not saying yaoi ships never get backlash, but not in this kind of context, when the comment itself wasn’t even homophobic, unlike how y'all are trying to twist it into.
You can disagree with people without being rude about it. But imagine defending fictional characters and calling others disrespectful, while turning around and being disrespectful to real people over a harmless opinion.
At the end of the day, like we all agree, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The comment wasn’t harmful and clearly explained why they felt that way
I don’t think my reply was rude. I can’t speak for others, but I’m responding to what was said.
If you think it’s not harming anyone, then ask—who is it helping?
The reasoning behind shipping Taekjoo with Olga isn’t even consistent. If being “comfortable” is enough, then why not ship him with Jongwoo, where there’s arguably more depth?
The point is, this is a BL space. Bringing heterosexual pairings into it like that is naturally going to feel out of place. Even if it wasn’t intentional, it can come across as having homophobic undertones, especially in a BL context.
But if you’d rather focus on how people are responding instead of the bigger point being made, that’s your choice. I’ve said my piece!
Like I’ve already said, the original comment wasn’t harmful in any way, nor was it trying to disrespect anyone’s identity. They made it clear they ship them because the dynamic feels healthier, that was the main point, not gender.
So who is anyone to decide how others should feel or interpret a story?
You’re the ones turning this into something bigger than it is. There was no hate in that comment, but instead of accepting that, you’re choosing to twist it to fit your own narrative just because you don’t agree.
And that’s fine, no one is forcing you to agree. But don’t misrepresent people’s words or play the victim just to justify your reaction.
This isn’t the first time people have shipped characters outside of a story’s canon, and it won’t be the last. What matters is that the comment wasn’t derogatory and wasn’t demanding any changes to the story or its representation.
And let’s be honest, the yaoi fandom doesn’t exactly have a perfect track record with that either
Bruh... I posted that comment right before heading to work, and when I got back it had a crazy number of downvotes and replies
I was just sharing my opinion based on what I’ve read and what others have said. People are acting like I only ship hetero characters or that I don’t like toxic relationships, which isn’t true. I actually really like Ilay and Taeui from PASSION.
What I was trying to say is that Taeui and Ilay genuinely have chemistry. And yeah, I’m also hoping Taekjoo and Zhenya develop more in the future (maybe I’m just being impatient). From what I’ve heard from people who’ve read the novel, their story and relationship do get better later on.
You don’t have to explain yourself. People will always find issues with anything and bitch about. You’re not the first, and definitely won’t be the last, to have this kind of take. Even in straight genres, people make similar comments and no one reacts like this.
As long as you’re not hating on anyone and are just judging based on the characters, I don’t see the issue. I’ve seen actual homophobic comments, and I can assure you, this isn’t one
Yeahh also thanks a lot for back me up. Really appreciate (=・ω・=)
A lot of bl manhwa have gone for hiatus but atleast our comfort manhwa here are back!!! I'm soooo happy it returned after so long ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
I have read it through the end and yess i agree this is one of the best villainess manhwa i ever read. Kinda pissed me off when all guys talk to FL "let's run away together. I will protect you yada yada" like bro that woman has told you many times that she want to die and went back to her original world like cut her some slack plss!! Anyways, really glad author didnt make FL stay at the novel at the end and make this ending cause i swear this is best ending where Anakhin and FL by die together and meet and fall in love in the modern world. I mean the novel world is so fucked it with all political stuff up there and the boys (especially crown prince gosh i hate him so muchh) would interrupt FL to be together with anakhin. But yeah i feel bad for helena cause she still have to be with crown prince and i don't really think she really in love with him.
I'm prolly the only person who doesn't rlly pity Helena. Lowk, she acts like she's the only victim in this world and DOESN'T do anything even if she actively sees that she's a homewrecker and that dude is a cheater, blatantly play Infront of her face. She just sits there acting all meek, and then even be surprised if the fl says something mean to the CP. And then she's surprised that she's stuck with the CP??? Girl.
Like look at chapter 82. She's rlly filled with love, and she doesn't rlly care how much the fl suffered in that palace lmao I don't get how someone so "kind-hearted" is doing this. Ig kind-hearted to everyone, even if those ppl have hurt the fl.
Came back for a reread, but before I do.. I initially pitied her backstory and how everyone just sees her as a pretty accessory to own, despite her own feelings. However, it doesn't compare to how much of a sitting duck she was throughout the entire story. Her ending as a useless loner empress is a result of doing nothing and expressing none of her thoughts, so it's deserved (dare I say more than she deserves).
Not only did she fail to use the little power or influence she had (connections gained through her looks), she took basically zero action when it comes to helping the one who needs it the most. I don't agree with her being portrayed as genuinely "good" or "kind" just for the sake of subverting expectations. She has 0 brain cells, can't think for herself, can't think for others, can't even speak up. What CAN she even do? Not surprised if she ends up as a puppet figure.
I just feel like you could sympathise with her as we learn more about her, but in the end she just seems so pathetic that she's undeserving of my pity.
I feel like you missed the entire point of Helena character. Look I get not liking her even after reading the story but to say she totally has power means you didn't understand what position she was in despite reading it. She and og Eris were just pawns tied down to a hierarchy of those who holds true power. Helena couldn't do anything. You talk as if she has the power to do anything but she in fact does not. Any time she tries to do something, it results in the people around her getting the short end of the stick by the prince and the queen.
You saw how she tried to speak up for Eris during the time she was the Prince partner at the ball but people in turn twisted her words to their liking. She saw saw this and couldn't even speak up anymore.
Helena knows her position extremely well. She knows that to all these so called men that love her don't truly love her. If they did, they wouldn't put her into a position where she couldn't say no to their intentions. She can't even work normally cause once the queen or the prince calls for her, she MUST immediately leave her post go to them while handing off her work to another or else an innocent person will get hurt. She learned that from experience so she doesn't try to fight it. How could she? She has no power nor family to rely on. She truly is weak.
You may think she could help but with what power? Her looks? Her looks is exactly what got her into a position she doesn't want. You think those men are willing to truly help her with how they act around Eris? Do you think Eris wants their help? Of course not. She rather die then ask those men for help.
Helena isn't that naive either. She once hated Eris for torturing her so much because of the prince putting her in that position. But she came to a realization early on when she saw Og Eris crying. She did selfishly think she understood OgEris until the moment of Eris reveal. She realized how arrogant she was to think that. It's why she does not bear any ill will towards og Eris and our MC. When our MC was about to stab Helena, she accepted it. Helena did the one thing our MC truly needed and that was her way of helping our MC make that decision that she needed the most to get back to her world.
Once Helena woke up, she finally had the power to take control of her own fate. She could now say no to the King. She was never delusional about his love for her cause she never once loved him.
Anyway, if you read it this far, you are completely fine in not liking her. Not everyone has to like Helena. I wasn't trying to change your mind about Helena but I just felt the need to speak out about Helena facts. This is coming from someone who originally did not like Helena but came to understand her situation. I just pity her and ogEris being thrown around by the men around them.
I've reread the story somewhat, and I agree with most of the points you mentioned. You're right, I may have been too harsh on Helena, and I do apologise for I was wrong. Still, I find it difficult to understand her. In fact, I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand her.
She’s not as knowledgeable or perceptive as they make her out to be, though I won’t go into every detail since discussions about Helena are already plentiful.
Take, for example, the moment at the ball when she tried to speak up. She says, “But I heard your engagement with Lady Eris was called off. So even if they were lovers, it wouldn’t count as cheating. Isn’t that right, Alec?” Here’s how I interpret that situation:
Her intention was to justify Eris’s earlier actions, an attempt to make it seem as though Eris hadn’t done anything wrong. However, despite her good intentions, what she said wasn’t helpful at all. In fact, it made things worse, didn't it? Yes, the nobles spreading rumors about Eris would have twisted any of her words to suit their agenda anyway, that was their goal from the beginning.
To me, Helena comes across as especially ignorant. She fails to understand the situation or read the room. Even if she sensed that anything she said might be futile, she still chose one of the worst possible approaches. I’m no expert, but if she had even a partial awareness of the dynamics at play, she might have stayed silent or tried to redirect the conversation instead of escalating it.
Countless times she was told to maintain the decorum expected of her status, yet she continues to cross the line. She's too oblivious and dense to maintain boundaries and doesn’t fully understand her own position. She’s been taught to smile and act ignorant, and she remains stuck in that mindset. She rarely clears up misunderstandings effectively and instead watches from the sidelines, accepting that she’s only meant to follow orders and accept whatever she’s given.
But who does this mindset ultimately benefit? Did she truly stop to reflect, what did I do wrong? Why did others react the way they did? How can I improve? Did she truly have no control over her actions? I can pity and sympathise with her to a certain extent. She’s no saint, and she’s not particularly smart. She tried her best given her circumstances, especially without any formal training or education. Everyone has flaws, but as a char, she often acted in ways that defy common sense, unintentionally causing harm to others.
I don’t think I’ll ever understand what was going through her mind. I don't know how much she has changed after her revival as it is not shown. She's compassionate to a fault. Part of me wishes she had learned from her mistakes, did some self reflection and shown some growth way earlier on her own, instead of only changing because of Eris's interference with the og story. When she met her “demise” at the hands of Eris, I had hoped to have felt something for her. However, I only felt heartbroken for Eris, who was forced into the role of a murderer.
By the end, she holds the title of empress largely because the king favours her. But what real standing or support does she actually have? The former empress and the nobles who backed her are no longer by her side. It’s doubtful whether she’ll be able to accomplish what she set out to do. She was forced into this role, but she also played a part in the way she accepted it.
Nonetheless, that isn’t the main point of the story afterall. Her char clearly serves a purpose to show how powerless someone can feel amid the nobility and rigid power hierarchy. For the most part, she was a huge victim. I just felt that when compared to Eris who was so deeply human and realistic, that it made Helena's char feel more flat and one dimensional. I understand she lacks power, but even within that limitation, her decisions and awareness feel underdeveloped and that's frustrating to witness. It's hard to like a char who chooses to remain.. dumb?
I’m probably too biased, cynical, and jaded to see things through rose tinted glasses. I'm likely projecting as well, so I'm the real pathetic one here.
Don't think of yourself like that. It's not really seeing things through rose tinted glass as someone who is just viewing how Helena is as a character. While we got some things from Helena pov, we also don't have a lot to go on but the things we got to see. I mean we can go on and on about how Helena situation but overall, we at least agree that there were things she couldn't do due to her position.
Sometimes when you're stuck in a position like Helena where you're just suppose to act a certain way for years, it's harder to break out of that without outside help. Plus Helena doesn't have all the knowledge as she was taught quite late in etiquette for high society.
It's true she was always the bystander when ogEris was treated. But you also have to remember that if she tried to save anyone, it would just be ogEris and Eris who will treated as the villain even when they haven't done anything. The palace maids have proven that. Though og Eris did in fact torture Helena due to her wanting the prince love.
I think having Helena be compassionate was what helped Eris kill Helena. She made it loud and clear with her words and action that Eris should never feel burden by killing her. She knew Eris wanted to go back home and if she had said anything else, Eris would've feel guilty forever even though Eris knew Helena would still live. This for me was different compared to when Eris killed the prince. His was truly a murder that plague her while with Helena, she could continue to move on for the sake of returning home as she cried doing it. Both girls were victims to the fate of the world but still tried their best with what little power they had.
Whether Helena gains power or not, we'll never know but imo, at the end when we saw how she gaze at the prince, I think she'll do just fine. It'll most likely turn into the prince wanting Helena love but she'll never give it to him. It's like a reflection of the prince parents so called love in the later portion of their life.
Talking about characters usually helps in understanding them and their motives if they have one. Although that doesn't always mean you'll like them.
Anyway, I hope you have a good day. Take care of yourself as the world itself is crazy atm.
Nah its all good! I like that you made me step back and think about Helena more. I relate to her circumstances but not really her. Also, interacting with people like her irl, with no social awareness, can be really something.. which is why I dislike her but to each their own.
I enjoy analysing chars once in awhile, but it does make me look kinda crazy. (A bit personal, but I had been in a helpless situation before, albeit not the same way as Helena but somewhat similar vibes. If I had handled it the way she did, I literally would've been murdered lmao)
Thanks, love. Sending warm hugs your way.
I remember reading this a long time and somehow i still cant dont understand everything. Now, i finally have courage to re-read in one sitting (it's currently 4am) and i finally understand the story and ending. This is really good plot. No wonder ppl praising it so much.
Yeah can u please explain me too
I read half of it n then half of it later n I have no idea tf this story was about:(
Damn i really like how this manhwa have focus on a plot and not just smut. mc is such a cutie and i didnt expect all the band member (expect ml cause fuck him) are so nice. Normally we'll get cliché troupe on how all member didn't like MC and start growing to like him but this manhwa took another approach and most band cast really chilling with MC working as a new vocal member even though he didnt have any experience in singing before. Also i rooting for a sequel of lou and victor as a side couple (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Ngl, after backstory i kinda don't like ML attitude. What do you mean that mc ruined your life?? You ruined his life to be fair. You literally born rich af and mc has to face consequences of pile of his parent debt, quit high school and didn't even get scholarship after that incident. If i was MC, I will never help ML overcome this pheromones.
This is surprisingly good. I like how ML so expressive when it come to MC and MC are not too dense. He just avoidant kinda person and honestly, i relate to this behaviour also. And tbf, MC take is honestly realistic and right cause irl you wouldn't want to date with someone who work with gangster company and it's a valid argument for mc to reject ML.
also bc mc’s job is to make kangwoo quit hanging around those ppl anyway
I thought this is going to be alpha x beta then turns up the mc become recessive omega. Also ML got an asshole attitude toward mc and mc be like "i cant believe he still remember me". Major disappointed.
I guess i will marinate this for a while at least until ML changes his attitude after he fall for MC ╮(￣▽￣)╭
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