Seriously, if my wife had been refusing me sex for five years(the whole period od thier marriadge), I would also find a lover for myself.
He may be a jerk, but seriously she has no right to blame him for that. After all, he's a guy who has his own needs and responsibilities.
Ps. Titi is a female dog. Also her name is also lime for one
Tbh, even as a woman I think she did him dirty there
She said no once and his ego couldn’t take it lmaooo spouse or not you have the right to refuse sex And if you thought your spouse was uncomfortable, wouldn’t you do something to ease that wouldn’t you try to be intimate and the way that she was comfortable with and build up to the intimacy your searching for? Instead of being like, fuck you You rejected me It’s just petty She said no to me. It hurt my feelings. I’m no longer gonna try and I’m just gonna fuck somebody else.
Well, I'm a woman too, but seriously, that was kind of cruel of her. he is a monarch, not a priest. If I were in his place, I would have found another woman a long time ago
All I’m saying is he bitched out and let his insecurities get the better of them and projected them onto his wife who he knew loved and cared about him, and she never judged him had been with him since he was a child had seen his true form has seen what he had gone through and still decided to marry him but he was so insecure because she was scared of intimacy. Everybody scared of the first time But he made it about him, saying she sees me as a beast when she saw you as an actual beast and still decided to love and marry you but getting rejected once was enough for you to throw all of that away to not try to do anything to not even talk or communicate just live inside your fucking head and believe me I know that insecurities are like true hardship that people go through, but you think it’s a person who has gave him a sense of security since he was a child would be able to overcome that was simple communication or reassurance that he loves her but he didn’t even say like hey it kind of hurt my feelings that you pushed me away because you don’t like me because you perceive me a certain way but no he just internalized projected and then ran away and didn’t have any letters or communication then came back a cheater
well, it's not like I'm trying to justify him here. he's a moron and nothing will change that. I'm just saying that all of Fl shock was unwarranted... And that "since he found a lover, they are no longer husband and wife..." as if they were.
Besides, "in those days" it didn't work like it does today... then the wedding night was a necessity, and the fact that he didn't take her by force, but respected her opinion, was really cool of him.
And in my opinion, she should let him know when she's ready... it's normal that after her reaction he lost his self-confidence... The guy gave her time and space and she swept it under the rug and acted as if the situation didn't never hepend. she took advantage of his lack of self-confidence and hurt pride to stay in her own comfort zone.
And let me tell IT again, I really hate him. He is a total dick. But he isn't a monster or something like that. I kind of understand him.
Yaaas Queen ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
I mean if someone says that they’ll always love you and it will be only you and they don’t care about a soulmate then the most vulnerable moment of your 1st experience with intimacy you get scared and they take it personally and then do a 180 become cold and leave then they go back on everything they say cut communication and bring back a mistress is shocking like nothing is unwarranted besides his reaction if my partner is have trouble or fears in our relationship and I truly treasure them I’m going to work through it with them I going to figure of why and what I can do I’m going to communicate and persevere bc I love that person a genuinely care I’m no going to push them away but forward we can work together toward our future and respective goals intimacy isn’t just sex you have to fuel your partner more than just physically and compromise so it’s comfortable and pleasurable for both parties start of with a conversation and build up with small touches filled with affection and affirmation and as the party wanting/pressuring for sex you have to take responsibility and initiative the “burden” isn’t hers and space isn’t pushing away and freezing out someone it’s giving them the opportunity to become familiar with you and come to a conclusion comfortably not bc you’ve punished them with the need for a answer or forced decision you’re partner should be a open and safe space he was mean pushed her away resented her and left where is she supposed to become comfortable with a man she can’t even come close to while running his country
And he didn’t not respect her at all he became upset a threw a fit and projected his insecurities on her and made it about him he became standoffish and cold bc he didn’t get sex and withheld love and affection then shunned and left her not forcing her is bare minimum and not respect you don’t get applause for decency and humanity he resents her for not having sex that isn’t respectable and in that time period isn’t relevant bc it’s literally says they were excluded from the nobility and only had each other not to mention there are many outliers we even see married royals who have actually been treated with dignity and respect we’ve even had virgin kings and queens
And understand your saying empathy doesn’t excuse actions I get you hate him but you’re have more compassion for a cold and fickle man who’s a cheater his insecurities and lack of confidence drove a wedge between there relationship and he did nothing to fix it or try to work on himself let alone their relationship regardless relationship are built on trust and respect but require communication to build you don’t kiss and say I love you on the 1st day you get together you come to the right place and decide the best time for both parties
I maybe a bit hasty as I didn't read your full comment just first 1 or 2 line pardon me for over assuming (here I'm thinking you are finding his action unreasonable)
So my reply, All that mistresses bullshit and his dick ass behaviour apart, but its been 5 year and the man didn't get to pound someone, I mean if she didn't want physical intimacy they could've communicate and all that stuff but she literally had him hanging so ofcourse if a currvy woman were to show up and on top of that with all that imprint and stuff he would be drioling like a dog in heat, I mean the mistress is actually kinda hot tbh
And ofcourse, for the sake of "new" plot we would have a married for 5 year virgin fl LOL. To bring "justice" to ml. I mean the emperor is literally canon fodder here
Like the man who cheated 1st is getting upset and jealous bc he sees her a object that he owns and she belongs to him but doesn’t even talk to her believes rumors and the mistress over her thinks she’s being unfaithful so physically and verbally attacked her and then blaming it on sex and her do we not recall he literally says when he’s about to have sex with the mistress that he would treat her better if she was submissive and gave him sex that he likes that the mistress bc coddle him and makes herself small for him he’s upset that he can’t have sex and use her as a tool to fuel his confidence and boost his ego he’s upset that he’s still the scared child he was and she’s grown strong and independent
No no no I'm not not talking about ALL THAT STUFF but I was talking about how she did him dirty by not allowing him near her jn their 5 years of marriage
He is and will be a dick, that's forsure stamped and sealed
He left he wasn’t even around for her to have intimate contact tf is she supposed to do when he went away and doesn’t answer her letters find him on his pilgrimage and fuck him to make him feel better men go to war and travel for work all the time and don’t fuck the 1st hot bitch who throws themselves at them that just shows how weak he is and how little he thought of there relationship and especially lack of respect towards his partner and he’s a virgin it not like he’ll die without something he’s never had they’ve been together since childhood he got blueballed once and gave up that shows the depth of his determination and sincerity
Where do you get this she never let him near her they didn’t consummate their marriage that’s the first night after the wedding then he got cold and felt rejected and didn’t try then went away for years then came back with another woman
And how do you know this? It hasn't been mentioned yet... Only his shocked expression and anger after 5 years were shown... And let me said that, from her point of view everything was fine and that's why she was shocked.
We know bc they didn’t consummate their marriage, which means they didn’t have sex the first night after The wedding That’s what consummating the marriage means. And in the very beginning, she talks about how he’s become indifferent and gone cold and then goes Away on the expedition and she hasn’t seen or talked with him the whole time and the shock is he’s so different from when they were kids to from when they got married and he broke all their promises and brought a woman home when he specifically told her and promised her it would only ever be her that he wouldn’t let a named woman come between them because he chooses her
well, I won't say I don't understand you when I fully understand your point of view. What I'm trying to say is that you can't blame the emperor for everything.
He's a motherfucker, Titi is a female dog, but FL is a clumsy twat, a boring, poorly written copy of Navier from the remarried empress. the only decent character here is Raxanne and he's the only one I like here.
FL lets himself get into some bitch's head and blames the entire failed marriage on the fact that her husband found a mistress. They are both to blame for the situation.
The truth is that the author leads us to believe that FL is beautiful and generally so poor and pure, and the emperor is only evil and nothing more. And the truth is, they are only people with different needs and responsibilities (e.g. fathering a child). they were both in a toxic relationship, they couldn't get along and it's good that they broke up before they had children.
Yaas queen, Periodt!
Flash news, breaking up exists. Lol why get a mistress? You aren't living in a polygamous society. Don't be trash
rejected, but the standards prevailing at that time must be taken into account. If you're going to pick on his behavior, spit in the face of everyone in this work for wearing corsets and about how unhealthy they are.
But it is somewhat a polygamous society as the empress is also allowed to have her own manstress
Ohhh and if breaking up was sooo easy why hasn't she done that yet? After all that "injustice" of her husband rejecting her LOL
yeah. I know they exist. But I would like to point out that we are talking about the emperor and empress here. divorces are never easy, let alone in an imperialist system where the interested parties are monarchs.
In his situation, when his wife refused to cooperate, the best he could do was to take a concubine.
After all, he could just as easily rape her every night, because sleeping with him was her marital obligation, or he could just as easily not have sex at all for the rest of his life and leave the throne without an heir.
In real circumstances, a divorce, or dethronement, would be an extraordinary disgrace for the empress, she would not remarry and would most likely be killed by political enemies or a concubine admitted to power. The fact that he left her the position of empress is much better than the breakup you are talking about.
Moreover, this situation is not unusual. This type of behavior is completely normal throughout history and has happened many times, without anyone making a drama out of it.
I understand that now, in times of progress, such behavior is scandalous, but if you are to judge his behavior, please also take into account the circumstances.
Because then you might as well spit on all the women in this manga for wearing corsets because it is a chauvinistic habit of suppressing women and forcing them to destroy their own health.
Aww it's okay, I can understand that accomodating another opinion than yours might be hard for someone like you. Try being a better person lmao
Ohhh, I'm not really sure what you mean by accommodating another opinion . All I can do is RESPECT someone else's opinion. And I do it. I RESPECT that you don't like him, I don't even like him myself...
I'm just pointing out that the entire situation wasn't entirely his fault.
If anyone here doesn't RESPECT other people's opinions, it's you, sweetie. My comment started this discussion and, despite my rational arguments, it is still continued with comments directed at me.
I don't know about you, but I'm quite proud of the person I am.
Ps. If you want to accommodating another opinion so much, then the next time some kids bully someone for wearing braces or because they are red, then you can go ahead and join in
Please don't guess that other's are unemployed to read allat. 1. It's not implied that it's a ancient western theme, it's fantasy genre with literal magical beasts. 2. No polygamy was not supported even in ancient Western culture, only trash high lvl people did that cause no one called them out. Therefore your opinion and argument is disproved. Nice try though
It’s definitely more to the story pretty sure gold eyes is actually her lover it’s been hinted to and she instinctively knew red eyes wasn’t her man, tbh he shouldn’t have went after he knowing her heart was another’s
Spoiler
Unfortunately, from what I know of spoilers, FL is the emperor's soulmate, and Titi only faked the birthmark with magic. Her name will appear on his arm and that is how he will discover that Titi has deceived him, but unfortunately he will not be able to kill her because she will be pregnant.
First of all, I don't know what being unemployed has to do with anything. I'm on vacation and I'll write comments whenever I feel like it, no one is forcing you to read them, much less respond. Secondly, yes, people practicing polygamy are trash, you're right, but let me give you the definition of polygamy. It is a marriage with more than one woman at a time. As far as I know, Titi is not his wife... He didn't take her as his wife, he didn't make her a queen. She's just his lover. And there are many cases in history where kings had mistresses. And if you want to refer to history so much, let me remind you that at one time divorce was prohibited.
And speaking of your claim that it's fantasy, I am aware of that, but considering that the imperial system has been preserved as in history, I can assume that some behaviors and convenans have also been preserved.
Right
You got it wrong from the definition of polygamy. Try again lmao. Just accept that your argument is literally illogical just like your comment.
Well, if my arguments seem illogical to you, perhaps the problem is not with me, but with the recipient.
Ps. Here you have the definition of polygamy from the dictionary and the link, I recommend checking the definition of the word hypocrite regarding Respecting the opinions of others as well as the term close-minded person.
Have fun.
Polygamy- the fact or custom of being married to more than one person at the same time.
https://www.medonet.pl/zdrowie,poligamia---historia--status-poligamii-w-innych-krajach--przyczyny,artykul,1729631.html
Correct me if I’m wrong but is the other person trying to argue that polygamy is non consensual? I thought everyone had to consent?
Facts like breaking up and divorce can happen that guy is just trash
I don’t know if you meant it this way but I feel the way you pushed all the blame on a powerless women for the guy cheating is pretty disheartening.
I don't think that's what this person meant... it's obvious that the emperor is guilty. She only points out that it is not entirely true, that he is 100% guilty and a small part of the blame also lies with the empress...
at least that's what the comments say...
In general, at the beginning it was quite an interesting discussion, but for some time now it has become more like a quarrel...
Nope. I don't know which brain dead normalised it, but blaming the someone who got cheated on, than blaming the cheater, NO MATTER WHAT REASON, should never ever be case.
I'm sorry, but I have no intention of arguing with you. I've barely joined and I already feel insulted, even though I haven't written anything bad. Even though I agree more with you in the discussion than with the person who started it, you are the reason why this discussion stopped being interesting and became unpleasant...
This was unpleasant from the start. Blaming the one who got cheated on? Can't stand logic? That's on you people. If you can't understand that people with different opinions exist, then don't go out on social media. Truth hurts, accept that. Also I was against the initial commentor, idek you
Also when was this a discussion? The initial commentor is dead set on trampling on anyone with a different opinion. This wasn't a pleasant discussion at all, when that person ignored anyone with logical comments.
Authors will do anything to keep their FL’s pure for their ML no matter how stupid it sounds
Okay let’s put it this way if a man walks into a cookie shop and wants to order cookies bc he really wants and loves cookies but the shop says ofc you just have to wait a bit their just about to be ready and hot out the stove you just have to wait about 5 minutes and as soon as they’re ready a cooled a bit I can have them all boxed up for you but the man throws a tantrum bc he can’t immediately get his cookies and this is a cookie shop so he feels he’s entitled to his cookies bc he’s a paying customer and instead of coming to a compromise or acting like a adult he storms out for 10 minutes and in that 10 minutes he goes to a convenience store and buys some cheap and bland crackers but they aren’t enough and he’s still craving the cookies so he goes back to the cookie shop even after throwing a fit and buying crackers but he still wants his cookies so he asked the shop where are my cookies and the shop says sir they weren’t ready and you left someone else already placed an order for these cookies he gets mad and yells that the shop sold his cookies the shop tells him he never paid for them or waited for them so they’re not his cookies not to mention he has his crackers he gets mad and says this is a cookie shop I deserve cookies and the shop says with the way you’ve been acting sir I’m going to have to kick you out please take your crackers and leave but afterwards the shop does feel bad bc they didn’t have cookies ready for him but that doesn’t justify his actions and they have the right to refuse service as a business and the man ate his crackers thinking about cookies and mad at the cookie shop not thinking about anything but his own wants and needs
What does this even mean lol there is no correlation or relevancy to you argument we said adultery and spousal abuse/rApe is bad and you say well women wear corsets and that’s bad too like girl bffr that’s not even apples to oranges that grapes to watermelons you can see the sizable difference between them no comparison needed
Girl come on now he was a virgin so it’s not like he couldn’t live without something he’s never had or even learned to use his hand he got rejected one time and threw a tantrum like a child and then ran away instead of trying to work it out he literally ignored her the whole time he was away and surprised her with a mistress upon return and then threw said mistress in her face instead of talking to her trying to compromise or even understand her feelings nor did he explain his own like when was she supposed to get that divorce when he was ducking and dodging her or sneaking and creeping on her
Like it’s obvious now she’s going to be a normal human and divorce him not avoid and cheat on him like he did to her he literally could have been honest and open with his partner and talked through their feelings communicating insecurities set goals understood boundaries and worked towards intimacy but he threw a tantrum came to a one sided conclusion made it all about himself and avoided/shunned her ran away cheated and then after all that said she wasn’t doing her duty when she held up the kingdom doing all the work of a empress plus his work while he was away committing adultery he didn’t do his duty that whole time as a husband or as a emperor like what she supposed to do get pregnant and grow their relationship with his absence and memory if he didn’t like what happened he should have talked to her or broken up not cheat period point blank
Also crazy that yall are making period think pieces like this when this is literally fictional with magic and monsters not to mention we don’t know what region or time frame of the story so most of your points are completely irrelevant let’s also not forget there were many French, Scottish, Spanish, African queens/rulers and female pharaohs who remarried after they divorced, killed or lost their husbands to some other fatality this happened through out many periods but got less common after the rise of Christianity and Catholicism
Look, I'm not justifying his behaviour, neither I was before.
So my point is, fl had to be "pure" for the sake of plot and ml LOL
Secondly, we are here talking about a literal manchild beast, so yeah he was rejected and "found" someone else "coincidentally", and to add fuel to the fire she had his name, according to some ancient mythology
Did he do the right thing? Obviously NO
What we were having when all this conversation started was a light humerous joke, that its not a surprise that he found someone else, after been rejected for 5 years during the marriage
And idk where you read it, But I don't think it was ever mentioned that he was away for 5 whole years
Finally someone who understands
The fl was in love with him but was scared of intimacy but they had started the act her “purity” has already been tainted by marriage and kissing by those standards
Secondly your second point doesn’t make sense especially being the fact that he chose her fought for her made her empress and wanted her since they were children and said he would deny fate bc they were meant to be and she was the love of his life but as soon as he felt insecure he ran into the arms of another woman and broke all his promises and continuously let’s himself be tricked and puppeted by said woman and his own delusions sooooo and what “ancient mythology” are you talking about lol all we know at this point was that he has a beast like form that was viewed as a curse by many so he was ostracized
lol he didn’t do the right thing not once through out the whole story but yall justifying his actions and perpetuating rape culture and misogyny by saying he’s entitled to sex and cheating so no it was never some funny joke
And I said multiple times that he be came cold started shunning and avoiding her and then ran away while ignoring her efforts but go off with that selective reading not mention the whole first chapter is her talking about how he’s changed and he went away for so long that she’s finally getting to see him and talk to him only to be disappointed by his despondent attitude and mistress
there is nothing to reason with he was child and threw a tantrum when he couldn’t have sex he acting like a sex addicted emotional and entitled brat there is nothing lighthearted about that yall are pushing male standards and patriarchy
Lmaooo if it’s not justification then what is it sweetheart like what are you fighting for if not to excuse or explain his behavior or reaction and guess what that is Σ( ￣□￣||)
Ok Karen, let's just have it your 'way', since you're being soo sensitive, what started as a light hearted joke has turned into a international debate. Lastly before muting all this nonsense I wanna say that your stupidity knows no bound as you can't take a joke
Oh, and sorry, I can’t even be bothered to read all this nonsensical letter. I appreciate the thought, though, LOL. Sorry, but not sorry. I hope next time we have a conversation, it will be with more maturity
Crazy for you to use maturity as your statement piece but making jokes about cheating and abuse while siding with the most immature and toxic person in the whole story and where was I not mature it sounds to me you can’t bring validity to your arguments so you’re labeling me as immature to brush off those misogynist comments and the way you’re perpetuating rape culture and promoting spousal abuse like nothing you’ve said held any weight lol but you name calling and muting bc you can’t have a proper debate isn’t immature behavior but I guess that’s to be expected when you’re running away without a reasonable conversation just like the man you defending the irony and ignorance is astounding At this point, I’m just gonna have to wish you the best because you’re gonna need it with that outlook on life
I mean way to dodge any accountability or reason while avoid all my points and not respond to anything I said like you’ve been saying a whole lot of nothing real loud and real wrong
jokes are meant to funny and make people laugh this wasn’t a joke it was a statement at the expense of a very real situation of men weaponizing sex against women cheating and spousal abuse you saying I’m sensitive shows your lack of understanding though your limits on tactful communication and insensitivity towards women says enough
"It's not an act of love if you make her!"
Agreed there is no need to be trash as well as the fact that the blame is being put on a women just because she doesn’t want to have sex with a dude who she doesn’t like, like girl paaallleeaase that’s crazy
Yesss 1000000% agreed I don’t know why the blame game is happening. Everyone have the right to refuse? Like didn’t people watch that yea animation is health class about how you wouldn’t force someone to drink so why would you force someone into sex! And that dude was totally ego hurt he needs a reality check!
I though that Dokia was the wife, but now i know ti is the other way