Sorry for venting out -_- I Hate twink. Stop kissing his ass gals he hates women for fucks sake -_- I can't believe fellow fujoshis are defending him and kissing his ass-_-
Um, I don't mean to stir the pot, but I've seen some of his posts and honestly I think you're ignoring what he has to say without fully considering it. Maybe he said elsewhere that he hates women, but to me(another man), most of his points weren't totally off base.
That said, what is with this petty drama I see all over here? It's so silly. Leave middle school at middle school.
Um, I don't mean to stir the pot, but I've seen some of his posts and honestly I think you're ignoring what he has to say without fully considering it. Maybe he said elsewhere that he hates women, but to me(ano... Greque
He has a point when you think of it. He was being told that he would look cute as an uke (as a bottom), and that isn't exactly a compliment, he isn't even there for yaoi, so if I was in his position I wouldn't exactly be happy. But overall, I'd have to agree with you.
He has a point when you think of it. He was being told that he would look cute as an uke (as a bottom), and that isn't exactly a compliment, he isn't even there for yaoi, so if I was in his position I wouldn't ... @yo yo it's jojo
Oh lord, I didn't see that thread. I think the main issue here is that we aren't your play things. From the little I know of him, I do seem to have much softer opinions on the fujo, but even I get pissed when ignored and treated like our opinion doesn't matter. You're getting off on us, at least listen to us when we say something is problematic... and don't sexualize us(actual humans, with real thoughts, feelings, and opinions) without consent. Please.
I don't know where you got the idea that he hates women. And twink also makes valid points about yaoi being a hidden genderbent manga targeted to women. Most of what you read is pretty unrealistic portrayals of homosexual relationships. That is because the artists, mostly women, do not have experience of what homosexuals face in society. Some ukes might as well be women, and the story could still continue as it is. As a gay man, he doesn't want to read something like that only IF the story is realistic.
I don't know where you got the idea that he hates women. And twink also makes valid points about yaoi being a hidden genderbent manga targeted to women. Most of what you read is pretty unrealistic portrayals of... Fehlover
he hates fujoshis. fujoshis are women who like yaoi. its not technically "women" per se, more like what these women are DOING with their fantasy with yaoi and perceiving it onto real gay men.
Oh lord, I didn't see that thread. I think the main issue here is that we aren't your play things. From the little I know of him, I do seem to have much softer opinions on the fujo, but even I get pissed when i... Greque
Isn't it interesting that outside the context of manga, many are worried about the objectification of women in media such as games and artwork but feel like it's okay to objectify men? It's true though that a lot of fujoshis read yaoi because of the sex involved. Maybe story, but it's mostly sex. I cannot count how many times I have read comments like:
"I hate the lightsabers."
"Thank you for uncensoring the dicks!"
"They should just have sex already!"
"I wish this wasn't shounen-ai."
"I can't read this if it's not yaoi."
Men are objectified just as much as women are. It's pretty unnerving to me, as a woman personally, that this is what readers pay attention to.
Isn't it interesting that outside the context of manga, many are worried about the objectification of women in media such as games and artwork but feel like it's okay to objectify men? It's true though that a l... Fehlover
Agreed. I find the whole, "It's not real life, so just don't complain!" thing really concerning. And then we're going to tear down a gay man because he shared his feelings on the matter? It's very similar to how people brush off all manner of injustices.
To me, yaoi isn't such a huge deal. It has problems which bother me, and I talk about those problems and expect to be heard. Because it's the very least girls who enjoy it can do. I'm just one guy though, and his opinion is just as valid as mine. People need to LISTEN more and be less defensive.
Isn't it interesting that outside the context of manga, many are worried about the objectification of women in media such as games and artwork but feel like it's okay to objectify men? It's true though that a l... Fehlover
ah I would agree but I don't relate yaoi to actual gay men. Like its like reading about straight peoples relationships in manga's, not all of them are completely accurate etc. I only read them for their own content and not because I believe their ''realistic''. I dunno. Though I hate it too when people say ' I can't read this if it's not yaoi ' its like saying ' I can't enjoy my friends straight relationships if their not gay ', like it's just relationships okay, theres nothing different between yaoi, straight and yuri etc. oinfogneirng.
ah I would agree but I don't relate yaoi to actual gay men. Like its like reading about straight peoples relationships in manga's, not all of them are completely accurate etc. I only read them for their own con... SmuroChurro
This is problematic in itself though. Because as a gay man, I don't have the luxury of separating it. And honestly, it's just an offshoot of how we're treated by women in general. I cannot tell you how many times I've had girls squealing over me and whomever I was dating at the time. That is so obnoxious. We aren't puppies. Haha
Agreed. I find the whole, "It's not real life, so just don't complain!" thing really concerning. And then we're going to tear down a gay man because he shared his feelings on the matter? It's very similar to ho... Greque
Yup, a comic can be entirely fictional and unrealistic, but it's definitely the mindset of the readers that concerns me a lot more. This is especially true for those that don't recognize that there's something wrong, and like you said, are defensive about it.
I like reading yaoi, but I can see that there are problems revolving around the content of a particular series or the community in general. In Mangago, the fujoshi community is surprisingly large, probably larger than any other site (besides yaoi-oriented ones, of course). I start cringing when many readers make yaoi a huge or influential part of their life. People start saying things like "I want to be a gay man", "I wish I had a dick too", etc.
Yup, a comic can be entirely fictional and unrealistic, but it's definitely the mindset of the readers that concerns me a lot more. This is especially true for those that don't recognize that there's something ... Fehlover
Right! On one end, I kind of don't blame girls for wanting to be gay men. We have all the best men. It's true. We took them and we're not giving them back. On the other side, it seems not based on the reality of it. Even those who are basing it on their real life experiences aren't taking in to consideration the actual experiences of gay men. Things are so much better these days, but you can hardly say that being gay doesn't come with specific challenges(for some more than others). I get it though, overall. It's hard for women, too. Most of my friends have always been women, since grade school. I think they're great, and deserve better men.
Buuuttt, it gets weird when girls start saying they want to be gay men based on a fictional universe. And even weirder when some start saying they're trans just because they got too obsessed with yaoi. I am 100% supportive of actual transgender individuals, but this is something else entirely. It's a level of obsession which gives me the concerns.
Isn't it interesting that outside the context of manga, many are worried about the objectification of women in media such as games and artwork but feel like it's okay to objectify men? It's true though that a l... Fehlover
I get what you're saying, sexualizing real ppl is bad. But a reminder this is porn.. It's a work of fiction.. The purpose is clear.. Imagine you're watching porn and tell yourself not to fap.. But i have to agree that sexualizing ppl around you is not cool
Yup, a comic can be entirely fictional and unrealistic, but it's definitely the mindset of the readers that concerns me a lot more. This is especially true for those that don't recognize that there's something ... Fehlover
Haha true.. When ppl say if I woke up as a guy I'd fuck my boyfriend I was like bruh wtf
I get what you're saying, sexualizing real ppl is bad. But a reminder this is porn.. It's a work of fiction.. The purpose is clear.. Imagine you're watching porn and tell yourself not to fap.. But i have to agr... shokupan
Gay porn made by straight people(so, mostly lesbian porn) is also problematic.
He has a point when you think of it. He was being told that he would look cute as an uke (as a bottom), and that isn't exactly a compliment, he isn't even there for yaoi, so if I was in his position I wouldn't ... @yo yo it's jojo
This is a compliment Nothing wrong with that??? He was told he was cute youre overreacting
This is a compliment Nothing wrong with that??? He was told he was cute youre overreacting GhoNYsmOUs
You are wrong. This is like women being told to shut up when some creep made them uncomfortable while walking down the street, because it was "a compliment". You don't get to decide how things make us feel.
This is problematic in itself though. Because as a gay man, I don't have the luxury of separating it. And honestly, it's just an offshoot of how we're treated by women in general. I cannot tell you how many tim... Greque
ah that makes sense, I would say oh but when I read smut with straight couples I don't really mind but because being gay just is seen as something not common and something like ' interesting' to people it's treated differently than being straight as like telling people you're straight compared to telling people you're gay would have a completely different reaction.
Why are you gals defending a guy who hates women fuckkk Its Time to stop kissing his ass and making up excuses for his attitude GhoNYsmOUs
I'm not defending him : / I'm questioning why he hates fujoshi's though its understandable. also no ones kissing his ass. They just see it in their own way. Boi.(〜￣△￣)〜
You are wrong. This is like women being told to shut up when some creep made them uncomfortable while walking down the street, because it was "a compliment". You don't get to decide how things make us feel. Greque
Best comparison. You definitely have to consider the intentions behind the "compliment". Obviously, men who catcall want to get inside a woman's pants regardless of how she feels. When someone says that you would look cute as an uke, that person is seeing you as a sexual object, nothing more and nothing less. It's insulting because said person doesn't see you as someone who has a heart, a personality, whatever.
I think twinkie comes here to start drama when he's bored. It's annoying but I really don't care. I think this topic is also stirring up unnecessary drama. It's also annoying. And again, I don't care.
Sorry for venting out -_-
I Hate twink. Stop kissing his ass gals he hates women for fucks sake -_- I can't believe fellow fujoshis are defending him and kissing his ass-_-
Um, I don't mean to stir the pot, but I've seen some of his posts and honestly I think you're ignoring what he has to say without fully considering it. Maybe he said elsewhere that he hates women, but to me(another man), most of his points weren't totally off base.
That said, what is with this petty drama I see all over here? It's so silly. Leave middle school at middle school.
He has a point when you think of it. He was being told that he would look cute as an uke (as a bottom), and that isn't exactly a compliment, he isn't even there for yaoi, so if I was in his position I wouldn't exactly be happy. But overall, I'd have to agree with you.
Oh lord, I didn't see that thread. I think the main issue here is that we aren't your play things. From the little I know of him, I do seem to have much softer opinions on the fujo, but even I get pissed when ignored and treated like our opinion doesn't matter. You're getting off on us, at least listen to us when we say something is problematic... and don't sexualize us(actual humans, with real thoughts, feelings, and opinions) without consent. Please.
I don't know where you got the idea that he hates women. And twink also makes valid points about yaoi being a hidden genderbent manga targeted to women. Most of what you read is pretty unrealistic portrayals of homosexual relationships. That is because the artists, mostly women, do not have experience of what homosexuals face in society. Some ukes might as well be women, and the story could still continue as it is. As a gay man, he doesn't want to read something like that only IF the story is realistic.
he hates fujoshis. fujoshis are women who like yaoi. its not technically "women" per se, more like what these women are DOING with their fantasy with yaoi and perceiving it onto real gay men.
Shhh, leave 'im alone.
Why tf did u start this? Just keep it to yourself if u don't like him, we don't need to start this bullshit again
Isn't it interesting that outside the context of manga, many are worried about the objectification of women in media such as games and artwork but feel like it's okay to objectify men? It's true though that a lot of fujoshis read yaoi because of the sex involved. Maybe story, but it's mostly sex. I cannot count how many times I have read comments like:
"I hate the lightsabers."
"Thank you for uncensoring the dicks!"
"They should just have sex already!"
"I wish this wasn't shounen-ai."
"I can't read this if it's not yaoi."
Men are objectified just as much as women are. It's pretty unnerving to me, as a woman personally, that this is what readers pay attention to.
~('-')~
Agreed. I find the whole, "It's not real life, so just don't complain!" thing really concerning. And then we're going to tear down a gay man because he shared his feelings on the matter? It's very similar to how people brush off all manner of injustices.
To me, yaoi isn't such a huge deal. It has problems which bother me, and I talk about those problems and expect to be heard. Because it's the very least girls who enjoy it can do. I'm just one guy though, and his opinion is just as valid as mine. People need to LISTEN more and be less defensive.
ah I would agree but I don't relate yaoi to actual gay men. Like its like reading about straight peoples relationships in manga's, not all of them are completely accurate etc. I only read them for their own content and not because I believe their ''realistic''. I dunno. Though I hate it too when people say ' I can't read this if it's not yaoi ' its like saying ' I can't enjoy my friends straight relationships if their not gay ', like it's just relationships okay, theres nothing different between yaoi, straight and yuri etc. oinfogneirng.
This is problematic in itself though. Because as a gay man, I don't have the luxury of separating it. And honestly, it's just an offshoot of how we're treated by women in general. I cannot tell you how many times I've had girls squealing over me and whomever I was dating at the time. That is so obnoxious. We aren't puppies. Haha
wait, what are you talking about?
Yup, a comic can be entirely fictional and unrealistic, but it's definitely the mindset of the readers that concerns me a lot more. This is especially true for those that don't recognize that there's something wrong, and like you said, are defensive about it.
I like reading yaoi, but I can see that there are problems revolving around the content of a particular series or the community in general. In Mangago, the fujoshi community is surprisingly large, probably larger than any other site (besides yaoi-oriented ones, of course). I start cringing when many readers make yaoi a huge or influential part of their life. People start saying things like "I want to be a gay man", "I wish I had a dick too", etc.
What?
Right! On one end, I kind of don't blame girls for wanting to be gay men. We have all the best men. It's true. We took them and we're not giving them back. On the other side, it seems not based on the reality of it. Even those who are basing it on their real life experiences aren't taking in to consideration the actual experiences of gay men. Things are so much better these days, but you can hardly say that being gay doesn't come with specific challenges(for some more than others). I get it though, overall. It's hard for women, too. Most of my friends have always been women, since grade school. I think they're great, and deserve better men.
Buuuttt, it gets weird when girls start saying they want to be gay men based on a fictional universe. And even weirder when some start saying they're trans just because they got too obsessed with yaoi. I am 100% supportive of actual transgender individuals, but this is something else entirely. It's a level of obsession which gives me the concerns.
I get what you're saying, sexualizing real ppl is bad. But a reminder this is porn.. It's a work of fiction.. The purpose is clear.. Imagine you're watching porn and tell yourself not to fap.. But i have to agree that sexualizing ppl around you is not cool
Haha true.. When ppl say if I woke up as a guy I'd fuck my boyfriend I was like bruh wtf
Why are you gals defending a guy who hates women fuckkk Its Time to stop kissing his ass and making up excuses for his attitude
Gay porn made by straight people(so, mostly lesbian porn) is also problematic.
This is a compliment Nothing wrong with that??? He was told he was cute youre overreacting
Because I'm a man? And also not interested in bagging on the personal experiences of another minority. You're being really silly.
You are wrong. This is like women being told to shut up when some creep made them uncomfortable while walking down the street, because it was "a compliment". You don't get to decide how things make us feel.
ah that makes sense, I would say oh but when I read smut with straight couples I don't really mind but because being gay just is seen as something not common and something like ' interesting' to people it's treated differently than being straight as like telling people you're straight compared to telling people you're gay would have a completely different reaction.
I'm not defending him : / I'm questioning why he hates fujoshi's though its understandable. also no ones kissing his ass. They just see it in their own way. Boi.(〜￣△￣)〜
Leave Britney alone
Well the purpose of porn is clear doesn't matter who made it, and the actors would've not joined if they didn't know the consequences.
But they're straight girls, so they don't really get why it's problematic.
Best comparison. You definitely have to consider the intentions behind the "compliment". Obviously, men who catcall want to get inside a woman's pants regardless of how she feels. When someone says that you would look cute as an uke, that person is seeing you as a sexual object, nothing more and nothing less. It's insulting because said person doesn't see you as someone who has a heart, a personality, whatever.
I think twinkie comes here to start drama when he's bored. It's annoying but I really don't care.
I think this topic is also stirring up unnecessary drama. It's also annoying. And again, I don't care.
Leave us alone (︶︿︶)＝凸
who tf is twink
I have the same question as yours.
And hey!
I love your name ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
It is a fujoshi hater
Seriously this is still happening?!!?Can you people leave him alone gosh >:(.................
Jaja I am not the hully.. He is the bully.. He is not a victim. Have dignity
Am not leaving him alone if he keeps annoying us #－.－)
Asking others if they hate him, spreading misinformation to create a desired public opinion is bullying. Get a life :/
I also hate women
They are all lonely fatties so I couldnt care less lol
salty???????
You need to stop kissing his ass you need help
we know we know an you hate your mom nasty
lol
I love yours too ヾ(☆▽☆)