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i liked your comment by accident im sorry

i found it similar to whiplash in some ways too, like the car crash before the concert

I don’t even mind the downvotes because it’s very much the truth. It’s a story romanticizing a toxic codependent relationship between an older man with unresolved issues projecting his emotional hangups through control on a attachment starved young man who is both his student and dependent all while with a vast disparity in their socioeconomics, maturity, and emotional regulation. This is the dreaded daddy issues, assigned to young women caught in similar circumstances. Only difference is this is gay “Whiplash”. Made worse is this the type of actual age gap relationship of the worst kind that often very prevalent among gay men who came out later in life attempting to recapture their youth. And I say this as an actual gay man not an author who’s romanticizing this as “ true love” between generations. This is not the age gap story that people should be rooting for, especially when it will be conveniently made a happily ever after and justify the toxicity as growing pains of a relationship rather than two broken people who really should be very far away from each other.

I’d rather just watch Whiplash than continue to read this.

I agree. Like it’s nothing about the age gap or the top being older, like I love age gap stories. But idk, just something isn’t sitting right with me.

I know it’s fiction but I am genuinely getting sick of authors writing about queer men and every story I read is always the worst aspects of a relationship whether it be sexual violence, abuse, what have you and portrays that without the absence of women that romance between men will always have elements of toxicity. It’s not just angst, it’s that men can only express love through violence/ abuse of some kind and their love is equivalent to control and possession of some kind. And I am fully aware of the origins of BL and its use as both entertainment, sexual outlet, and proxy to female sexuality both bad and good and as well as its intended audience but in the year 2026 are there no realistic portrayals of both sex and relationships in the queer stand-ins that these authors and readers consume in leisure and in lieu of their own experiences both good and bad towards sex? And then if you question or point out hey this creates stereotypes or hey this is harmful, or this plot while fiction creates internalized ideas of a community already ostracized within the country of origin these plots are written. I just don’t understand how it’s not grasped fiction is fiction but fiction is also written from reference and then adds to societal norms and ideals. A story like this is perfectly fine but it’s also problematic to an extent, because it does every thing I’ve explained above, but point that out….

i agree with u that there isnt nearly enough healthy queer representation in bl, and that’s a valid criticism of the genre as a whole. w that said i think no more eurydice is a weak example to use for that argument because it reduces the story to its romantic relationship while ignoring everything else it’s trying to explore. the toxicity between heeje and garam isnt presented as an inherent trait of queer love but as the product of unresolved grief, trauma, exploitation, fear of abandonment, and the environments they’ve been shaped by. their relationship is one part of a much larger narrative about damaged people struggling to break free from cycles of abuse and control. you also can’t pick up a manhwa that’s explicitly tagged w drama and expect there to be no conflict or emotionally messy relationships, thats part of what the genre is meant to explore. the story isnt arguing that love between men is naturally abusive, it depicts two emotionally wounded people whose inability to process their trauma and express vulnerability in healthy ways bleeds into the way they love.

Wonderfully said! I can understand why people view heejae and garam’s relationship as having major power imbalances, but like you said, reducing the characters to just that isn’t doing justice to the story as a whole. What makes this manwha shine is how it utilizes this imbalance between the two, and making it very intentional as to show how the characters in the story approach love, loss, and loneliness. Unlike No More Eurydice, many other stories have it just to have it.

I fell in love with the premise because it felt like psychological horror. Once the romance began, the story definitely starts feeling romanticized. However, I think the romanticization is at least partly attributed to Garam's unreliable narration. The author doesn't shy away from depicting Heejae's abusive actions towards everyone, but because Garam doesn't react accordingly, neither do the readers. The story only feels romantic because Garam is the one narrating, the one waxing poetic about Heejae, the one telling us readers that he can see into Heejae's heart. I find that realistic, however sad, for a character to think the way Garam does in the situation. That being said, the author started with a difficult premise, and I'm not sure I buy the execution. Garam can view Heejae however he wants, but it's still fucked up. I also think that a lot of readers miss the nuance in the story because they expect a romance with a happy ending. A lot of comments talk of the characters and their actions as purely black or white, but that feels like the fault of the readership, not of the author. Either way, I agree with your issues on the actual student-teacher/age/power-gap dynamic. The story can be difficult to read sometimes, but I'm holding out to see how the author handles the finale of their relationship.

Personally, I think my issue with the story that, if you remove yourself from Garam's perspective, Heejae is just a musical prodigy who grew up too fast and never grasped emotional intelligence. His students are all scarred by his abuse, but he is only a victim of himself. The developments feel one-sided when Garam has to act with more maturity than he has for his age, while having to bear the brunt of Heejae's emotional immaturity. Together, you get a story that feels unfair in its treatment of the "wrongness" of the premise.

And thing is I can understand your point but I am not going rationalize that a young man should love his abuser because his “love” is healing his abuser. I clearly do not have that sympathy in me. The crux of this story is that simply put two broken people are learning to heal with each other but at the expense of an inherently toxic and abuse relationship. If the Heejae never wanted to change before it shouldn’t be at the expense of someone who’s only healed him by toughing it out and just become accustomed to the abuse. Nothing about this plot is romantic to me it’s genuinely a horror story as you’ve mentioned but a very realistic romanization of an abusive relationship in which the abused stays. Sure it’s in Garam’s point of view so the distorted view of things makes sense and his desire to stay makes sense with it. But Heejae knows he needs therapy not a love starved emotionally immature man he has power over, he knows better and hence his discomfort and insecurity in their relationship. I can understand why the author wrote this and why others can appreciate this work, but I cannot read something like this in good faith knowing it will still resolve their relationship as growing pains as I mentioned rather than an inappropriate abusive relationship as it began and should still be seen at its conclusion.

To me this plot truly reinforces “I can fix him” narratives.

It’s become one of my favourite stories, it’s just a fluffy story.
It’s just miss understanding and lack of sleep in the first few chapters

He's a teddy bear once he starts getting some regular sleep lol

But ML rapes MC in chapter 8 what are you even talking about and he’s very much wide awake.

This is genuinely why I never trust the comment section of this genre

I have been reading this from the get go and can’t even remember that happening TBH, not saying it didnt happen. I just can’t remember since it’s been over a year almost two since I read that part.

+1

The comment still stands cuz the question was does he develop not has he done bad things? Since the initial question already establishes he was shitty at the start? Weird to be this judgmental while also reading the same genre.. its been two years so yeah i don't remember that part and this was a throwaway pwp read back then anyway but yeah in the current chapters they're very cute together so sue me idk yaoi has bad writing and tired tropes wbk?

If SA is just blatantly ignored that’s not remotely development, and how is having standards being “judgmental”. Yikes.

Thanks for your opinion, you are a very smart and ethical yaoi reader here's your medal, hope your reading comprehension also extends to where we said we didnt recall the SA part when we made our original comments but yeah you're the smart one here we're just bad yaoi readers so ignore us please

If you’re going to be sarcastic and obtuse so be it. I asked if the ML has development, I’d think acknowledging the actual shitty things you’ve done to someone which includes raping them would be development but hey what do I know I should have known better than ask a genuine question of a character’s growth in ACTION and BEHAVIOR beyond a superficial he’s nicer now response. And if you don’t remember a character committing SA and your first response is automatic defensiveness rather than making the admission that the character developed enough to “your” standards, but hey maybe others might want to read on at their own risk that’s literally the least form of respectful acknowledgment. This conversation is clearly pointless because I realize acknowledging anything critically even if it is porn is seen with annoyance if and when the media is especially popular on this forum.

Please you did not come into this in good faith... if SA was a deal breaker then idk why you even posed the question the way you did? You asked is this a case where the ML becomes marginally nicer and we gave you the response that no its a fluffy loving story because thats what it is today, and you gave us grief for not remembering a scene from 2024 and then responded rudely passing judgement on all readers of the genre with your thats why I dont trust comments like ? Then why ask? You didnt come here to have a critical discussion on character development and how SA is handled in the genre, you just wanted to act morally superior to ppl that liked this story ... "read at their own risk" yeah sure whatever let us take the risk you stay safe tho...

u just out woke me omg ily

WOW FINALLY someone who doesn't excuse the outdated stereotyping of queer men and sexual violence in BLs with 'oh but it's fictional tho' ilysm

And it really shouldn’t have to be a “woke” thing it should be proper tagging, trigger warnings, authors letting audiences know before their intended kinks and tropes as they apply. It’s fiction I perfectly understand people are welcome to write and in turn read about they want. That’s the freedom. But when the genre is just a giant profitable exploit of sexual violence and somehow no one is willing to engage with what that means meaningfully other than provide circular conversation of authors writing what readers want and readers reading what authors write does not change or reform a genre that has ALWAYS realized on visually glamorizing, the subject matter be damned, it’s just exhausting to fight people saying read something else, when your option is 10 more stories just like this and 1 story of actual healthy love, romance, and respect. The fact this is catered to women is the irony.

YES COMPLETELY AGREE and i don’t mean anything bad by using the word “woke” but it seems that’s what ppl in the comments are using so i went with it. Also i believe ppl are allowed to discuss, argue, and be disappointed about fictional stories even when is one they dislike.

We prayed for times like this ( 〃▽〃)

No! Bc we prayed for delinquent bottoms and authors r seeing the appeal!! It’s no fun when the person who has more strength is the same in bed!

I love them, but at this point I think it's too predictable so I get what OP was saying. It also kinda implies that you liking cute and "girly" things makes you a bottom. Like, I know it's not that deep but as a gay man, I want variety. I pray for a delinquent guy who loves cute things but ends up being the top because it'd honestly be completely new.

I’m sure they’re out there. I would just like to see a macho looking dude being the bottom regardless of his interests. It’s just the whole dynamic of it is really interesting and fun! I like seeing how characters who have a significant size difference interact with each other

The very fact that two virgins dont want to try both positions even just out of plain curiosity since they dont know what they like yet is such a missed opportunity. Im not saying they have to be seke after trying it, but at least try it first right???

Exactly like it’s ridiculous they’re pushing fucking 30 and you’re telling BOTH men aren’t equally wanting to get their dicks wet?

That strict top and bottom only role has killed the sexual imagination of so many authors. Like so many positions, so many things to try...one day hopefully they'll be more open minded and not just stick to the same thing man.