At Ch8, subordinate seme (Aesang) resigned and then wished a curse upon his bad boss (Hanseol). At Ch 9, their souls woke up at each other’s bodies, which means although we see Hanseol waking up at Aesang’s house and Aesang calling him from the CEO’s office, we’re actually just looking at their souls. The bodies they inhabit are the other person’s which is shown only when they look in the mirror and as how other characters see them. They themselves don’t perceive the switch when looking at the other person, which means to say that Hanseol can only see that he is inside Aesang’s body when looking at the mirror and he still sees Aesang as Aesang even though in real life, he should be looking at his own face and body with another soul inhabiting it. Notice how at Ch 11, when Hanseol was doing the crazy ritual dance, Aesang did not find it funny or strange until he noticed the reflection of the dancer on the glass windows and saw it was actually his own face and body being used by Hanseol to dance. In Ch 12, they were talking about how Hanseol slapped Aesang and how it shouldn’t hurt their feelings as they were essentially just slapping their own bodies but Aesang couldn’t slap Hanseol because even though he knew it was actually his own body that he was slapping and not actually Hanseol’s face, he said: “Sure, you’re in my body… but what I see in front of me is you, Hanseol.” Then in Ch 13, when they started kissing, we see these sparkles and this pink aura-like effect, which I first assumed was just to give the panel a romantic feeling, but was actually visible to them, just that Aesang was too far gone and Hanseol was too intoxicated to actually pay attention to it, maybe he even thought he was just dizzy and seeing things. This effect was actually the indicator that they had already switched their bodies back. They don’t notice because even though they were in each other’s bodies, they still retained their perception of the other and their own body’s senses. Hanseol said: “So I’ve been thinking about this. Even though our souls have switched places, the physical sensations I feel are exactly the same, isn’t that strange?” He described it as “It’s as if we’ve entered an upside down world where both our minds and bodies remain the way they used to be.” He further said: “Are you sure you’re okay with this? Even though what we see is each other (Hanseol see Aesang and vice versa)… in reality, it would be me doing you.” They still haven’t realized that they’ve already switched back since the kiss so everything afterwards was actually Aesang topping Hanseol both in reality and in their perspective and there was never anything like Hanseol’s body topping Aesang’s body. Their perspective of each other even when in the other’s body really doesn’t change from their original and they’re also high on alcohol so it would have been pretty hard to notice the switch back. In Ch 14, there were hints like Hanseol thinking that his body’s erection (that Aesang should have had) should really not have been as big as what he’s feeling at the moment coming from Aesang and Aesang saying that no matter what, he really feels like he’s touching the real Hanseol even though it should have logically been his own body that he was touching at the moment. Ch 15 is when Hanseol first realized that something was not quite right since his own body should not have had the stamina that Aesang currently had so he starts to doubt if their souls really had been switched in the first place, then a thought comes and he realizes that maybe at some point in the very immediate past, they might have already switched back into their original bodies and just hadn’t noticed yet so he starts looking for a mirror but it wasn’t until quite some good time later that they were finally able to check and confirm that they had indeed switched back to their own bodies through the bathroom mirror when their reflections were the correct faces and bodies. Hanseol then suspects the strange light he thought was just his imagination, while Aesang was just confused and unaware, having not noticed the phenomenon Hanseol did. They were also unsure what the trigger was (they were reasonably suspecting the sex) but they were pretty convinced the light was the indicator of the switch. And that’s the end of that for the body swap.
Currently:
1. Minato saw Shizuma being driven by the director to their date and Shizuma and director had this hair interaction might have been completely innocent but it sure as hell looked suspicious.
2. Of course, Minato was mad jealous and just out of his mind. Shizuma thinks he’s cute until…
3. Minato tried to SA Shizuma even though Shizuma was scared. Thankfully he came to his senses and stopped.
4. We find out the real reason why Shizuma is still so nice to his ex even though he got cheated on by the bitch. It was because he felt partly to blame for her cheating. I mean, Shizuma, bro, you are partly to blame for your relationship not working out by being constantly absent and not giving her enough priority to feel loved and in an actual relationship with you but you also gotta understand, a bitch is a bitch is a bitch. Her cheating was her original sin. If you felt something was wrong, talk to her and demand answers as is your right as a boyfriend with concerns regarding your relationship, you failed in that so she got tired. As a girlfriend, though, if she got tired and she does not talk to you about it, even just to ask for a break-up and instead she cheated on you, then it’s her failure as a human being. That’s what you gotta understand, but this relationship isn’t completely useless as it should have taught you to maybe pay more attention to how you tend to give so little time to your relationships takes it for granted that your partner waits for you (entitled much?) and if they don’t talk to you, then you can and should demand some real substantial answers instead of just constantly waiting. It’s your right and responsibility to the relationship.
5. Minato is realizing that he’s gradually turning into someone he hates. He has hurt Shizuma and is feeling guillty over it so he apologizes and seriously tells Shizuma to not be okay about his [Minato’s] behavior. Minato has always been self-aware about his toxicity and inferiority but he still wants to be with Shizuma even though Shizuma is currently not providing him with enough security in their relationship. SPOILER: In the next chapter or the one after (?), it’s the morning after scene, Minato admits that he is indeed in the wrong for being so sensitive and that he cannot bring himself to take Shizuma away from a job he loves in a work environment he is finally getting the hang of, so he will try to be more understanding. He just asks that Shizuma always be showing off how good their relationship is to his colleagues as a means of security for Minato, a request which Shizuma although embarassed still complies with. Minato’s efforts of self-reflection, I really do believe has paid for but maybe he should still consider professional therapy just for good measure or they could also go to couple’s therapy as a relationship goal?
6. SPOILER: In the same scene as above, Shizuma asks Minato if he should just change jobs away from the director. He still thinks that the director is triggering Minato and does not realize even though Minato does, that there could be any number of directors that could trigger Minato just about anywhere. It is Shizuma’s attitude towards them and the boundaries or lack thereof that he sets up in his interaction with them that is the real trigger to Minato’s anxiety and insecurity. I seriously think they need couple therapy.
7. Remember how #1, Minato only knows that Shizuma was driven to their date by the director and he does not yet know the reason being that he was almost late because they stopped at a cafe in a “totally-innocent-but-kinda-date-like” afternoon coffee break and even went shopping for clothes that Shizuma was gonna wear on his date with Minato together in a completely “innocent and professional manner” which was conveniently spotted by some of Minato’s very mischivous and shady ‘friends’.
8. SPOILER: Early chapters of Vol 4 is about looking into apartments together, though really sweet was a bit problematic as Shizuma is totally unaware of how unrelated people would view their relationship. He’s not wrong, though, and with the reason the landlord gave, the landlord was also not wrong. It’s the current society that really just cannot let them be. And maybe Shizuma is just now realizing since he had always been honest and upfront about this and everyone he knew was understanding and supportive, so far.
9. #7 is totally gonna come back to be milked thoroughly, and while people can say Minato is just too sensitive and problematic and traumatized and unhinged and just plain red, imagine yourself in his shoes being told what those two friends might tell you. “Hey, I saw your boyfriend and this chick shopping for clothes together last day or so.” Then you realize, “What, the clothes he wore to our date that time he was driven there by his boss?” I dunno about you but just this would make me feel totally shitty. What excuses can there be for your boyfriend to shop for his clothes together with his boss to not make it sound sus and just completely over the line? Sure, I know you love me, but that just makes me feel even shittier about myself right now. I could tolerate less than what Minato has already tolerated in the name of that’s just how Shizuma is, he’s an all-around nice guy, that’s just how it is working in the health service industry, and maybe it really is Minato’s fault for being such a sensitive person dating such a nice guy, but as I’ve been saying, Minato has tolerated more than what I could tolerate in his place. So maybe it’s just me, maybe it’s just Minato. I don’t have trauma like his, maybe I’m just too toxic.
10. Maybe this is the point I’ve been waiting for when Shizuma realizes what I’ve been wanting him to realize all along. That it’s not about the director, it’s about your attitude towards this person that’s the problem. Maybe it’s the difference in culture, I just don’t understand. I don’t know. People can always find things to defend Shizuma with that I’ll never be able to understand nor agree with. I just want Shizuma to realize he needs to set up boundaries with people. Be professional in the workplace for a healthier work environment and healthier relationship with work colleagues. If you can’t be mean to your ex, then at least learn to be indifferent, don’t indulge her. Things like that, the right boundaries just make for healthier interpersonal relationships, I believe. As Robert Frost said, good fences make good neighbors.
ur def not wrong- i will say that it seems in the manga, harsh working culture when it comes to vets is normal but no to the degree that the director does it
tbh i would not be suprised minato gen gets tired of it, relationships like theirs is a slow erosion tbh
So I wanted to write a reply to @Morax0502 but halfway through it just got so long…
Right??? Like, he’s not putting up boundaries when at work, he does not properly start a conversation when the problem’s at his end (broken appointments and the threat of a third party) and he knows the problem’s at his end.
Volume 2’s be like, “Shizuma’s love might be too overbearing” but when it matters, it’s just non-existent.
His ex be a bad human for cheating but it’s not like Shizuma had no hand in their break-up when he keeps being absent in the relationship. He’s also thinking why his partners just don’t tell him anything, he wants them to complain to him and tell him what they want him to do, even though he does realize that his performance in the relationship is poor but he’s not the one asking the right questions, just waits for them to start talking.
I mean, Shizuma’s supposed to be the one with relationship experience, right? And even though Minato’s nightlife was previously very active and he’s been a witness to a major relationship fail as a child, he’s practically new to a serious and healthy relationship. And Minato’s already trying enough, in my opinion, by holding his paranoid nature back. Although we all agree it could be useful to let himself be a little verbal and selfish but he clearly has no experience judging just how much is enough and how much is too much and he’s just scared because he knows he might and can be awful and he doesn’t wanna be awful to Shizuma.
And Shizuma knows all of these! However, it just seems like Shizuma doesn’t learn anything from his previous break-up. He’s constantly terrified that everything from his relationship with his ex is just repeating itself but he doesn’t do anything about it. He knows from his experience that he’s not doing his partner right somehow and he knows something is bugging them but he doesn’t want to ask, he just assumes they want him to guess, but he doesn’t want to guess, he wants them to come talk to him directly, but maybe they were just waiting for him to care and sit their asses down and seriously ask and go past the “I’m fine” and “I don’t want to trouble you” so they could open up. Shizuma does realize that maybe he’s not giving his partner enough reassurance to be able to open themselves up to him and be selfish knowing they won’t be hated for it, but he does nothing to provide the reassurance they lack and need from him, just waits. I just don’t know about Shizuma right now. Maybe, that’s also why he’s in veterinary medicine and not psychology but come on…
And Minato, is also just so broken, and I want better for him but maybe Shizuma is the best fit, he just has to be the man he was on Therapy Game, he was perfect that time. Now, it’s like Therapy Game’s ending and resolution is just gone. Therapy Game Restart Vol 3 is just milking Minato’s past trauma and paranoia and making him get over them himself even though he’s in a perfectly fine relationship now when Shizuma was willing and up for helping him back when they were just fuck buddies before. What’s the use of being in a relationship then? Where is the fine example of “humans are social creatures” and “even when they can’t save themselves, with the right help, two people can succeed where one cannot”? Where is the character development, as individuals, as a couple?
Honestly, the seme was okay. He’s the one who’s steady, knows what he wants, and is mostly straightforward about it unless he really doesn’t know what to do about something then he takes his time to seriously think and even ask for and take good advice.
The uke, on the other hand, someone said he stole the spotlight in the whole story - well, that’s because he’s just a noisy person who is also very meddlesome and pushy when it comes to unnecessary things. His presence was just overall awfully loud. Then the same commenter said he was capable and independent - well, perfectly capable of independently fucking things up anyway. His past boss might have really been crazy but to have someone like that come after him so much, I don’t want to victim blame, but the uke is just the kind of person who doesn’t have clear personal boundaries between himself and other people, in general. It was said that the incident with his previous employer was not the first one and even when working at seme’s restaurant, he would still be unnecessarily overly friendly with the customers. He would also constantly overstep his boundaries in concern to the restaurant even though he’s just an employee who’s essentially freeloading at the owner’s place. Then they said, uke knows what he wants… bitch, where? With what eyes did you see him constantly not confused, deluded, and just boringly roundabout about everything? Even when his ex-crush from middle school appeared, he was conflicted over what to feel about the guy just because the person apologized and told him he (ex-crush) might have feelings for him (uke). Like oh my, how long ago was middle school? You’re in your thirties now, right? He’s someone who would casually walk up to a straight person just because they accidentally walked into a gay bar and seduce them. Even when he’s telling himself not to fall in love with a straight guy, he still let himself be so conscious of said person. His resolve is just non-existent; “it’s just a one-night stand, we shouldn’t fuck” is just for show to cover up the “I’m so horny, I wanna fuck this guy badly because he’s hot and good at sex, I don’t really care about his sexual preference, I just unnecessarily stress over it for the heck of it and don’t want to really think about it seriously because I don’t want to give myself a valid reason not to fuck him”. That bartender was dishing out facts when he said if he really didn’t want to continue the relationship, he could just not continue the relationship? What’s to feel so conflicted about it just because you don’t have self-awareness and self-control? He’s also so delusional and comes to stupid conclusions on his own because he’s only okay with meddling in professional matters but cowardly when it comes to his own personal matters. He needs his intelligence to almost be insulted before he understands his own feelings and the real situation for what they are. At this point, the only things going for him are that he’s attractively slutty and… I don’t know, what else is there? Oh, and that he’s good at his job and his job description is legit, if only he could just focus on that.
On Sakuma kissing that girl…
I honestly don’t blame him in that situation. He was aware he was in a serious relationship with Takimoto and has thus expressed himself even when scared out of his wits in that kind of situation. He also genuinely didn’t understand the importance of not kissing people other than Takimoto, probably because he had had no serious relationships before Takimoto due to his childhood trauma and thus has no knowledge of the so-called boundaries that he himself had to set up.
At that time, he was just willing to do anything to be released from the dark and if he had to kiss her as the only way out, he would do it, anyway a kiss to him was just nothing but a touching of lips much like how a handshake is merely a touching of hands. It’s just like how someone would just give away all their material valuables under the fear of a gun or a knife. Money is meaningless when compared to personal safety. For Sakuma, that meaningless kiss was nothing compared to his crippling fear of the dark.
When Takimoto asked him if he would be alright with Takimoto kissing others, even when he didn’t understand, he felt he didn’t want to agree to such a thing. It’s not like he was saying in specific terms that it was alright for him to kiss others but not for Takimoto to do the same. He himself was confused at first that that was the conclusion of their talk before he understood things from Takimoto’s perspective, so then he seriously asked for forgiveness and promised not to do it again even if “it couldn’t be helped” and there was no way out.
Conclusion: He was cornered, scared out of his wits, and felt there was no other way out but to give a meaningless kiss away.
Judgment: Excused. I also genuinely feel this was Takimotos’s judgment too. He was understandably very angry as he should be, but he obviously understood Sakuma’s thoughts and explained the situation to him in a way that Sakuma would understood his own perspective and understand what was ok and not ok as a person in a serious relationship with another.
This is just my own take, though. Or am I just taken by how pitiful and adorable Sakuma is at the same time? Hahaha
What a crazy association… even though Bunnicula is such a chaotic cutie…
I was supposed to like. Yes I agree Bunnicula is dangerous yet extremely adorable!!ヾ(☆▽☆)
I dunno how to feel, really. The comments are going crazy, people blaming uke, blaming seme, absolving uke, absolving seme…
Well for me, it really was kind of a turn-off when we found out that seme really did go sleeping around when uke told him to and not for reasons like: ew, he was sleeping around with others while having confessed his love to uke. Though personally I really do think this kind of thing is not quite commendable - if you [still] love someone and yet you sleep with others just because you’re not in a relationship with them or they rejected you, it’s not your love interest that you’re betraying but you yourself and your feelings of love, it’s not that you’re disrespecting them but disrespecting yourself, and if you decide to let go of your love and sleep with others, af least have the decency to completely move on and not go back spouting things like “you’re the only one for me after all, teehee” but hey, this is just me, and this opinion of mine, I think if I use it here as an argument I’ll get majorly roasted. Heh, of course, I know. My brain says the others are right even though my heart disagrees: these two are not in a relationship and seme’s confession did get rejected (multiple times). He has the right to sleep with whomever he wants as he has no obligation to the uke to stay loyal, and even if he conveniently did not tell uke how he had been sleeping around, this is also within his rights of privacy.
I just feel super scammed on the uke’s behalf and on my behalf as a reader (was not expecting it to be this realistic, I thought the seme had ulterior motives and went to the club ‘cause he already had feelings for uke and he was super sincere and really dedicated, and so youthful going against the societal norms for love aww sike lol). I mean, I agree, it was no one’s fault - not the uke’s (he was insecure, conflicted and just kinda jaded?), and not the seme’s too (he was heartbroken and inexperienced). It’s just that, wasn’t the uke super conflicted over his feelings for the seme before? Then he said those things to seme and seme really did not go to see him for some time and so uke was missing him and he’s now really super duper even more conflicted. Then the seme just goes with an attack like “I don’t want to sleep with anyone else.” I mean, I’m pretty sure the uke assumed it meant the seme really did not go sleep with others just judging by how surprised and shocked he was to have found out otherwise, he must have thought: ‘I’m really the only one for him’ in the exclusive kind of sense (not the tested and proven kind), and concluded that the seme’s feelings for him were genuine and sincere (not that there are no other ways to prove sincerity, just in this one specific train of logic) and that gave him the courage to cross that line and get over his worries (I’m pretty sure not seeing each other for some time also helped, but yeah, you get it). Now, he learns that his assumptions were wrong. So the previous resolution of his own feelings that he found based on that assumption, I’m surprised he didn’t go the route of feeling it had been invalidated. Or he might have, just that he was caught in a trip for two with the cause of his problems and in the end he just kinda gave up agonizing over it and went with the flow? hahahahaha lol- no.
And to have found out in that kind of way at that kind of timing, wow, poor thing, but as I’ve said, seme also can’t be faulted, he was completely entitled to keep his previous escapades before their relationship a secret. Maybe it was really all just extremely distasteful bad luck.
Yeah sure, we could say that seme had tried one-night stands with others and that made him realize and confirm that his one-night stand with the uke was indeed special and he only had feelings for the uke. While this logic is legit and valid and is scientifically correct (trial and error and replication, right?), it is also kinda giving asshole… I mean, so for him to have his feelings confirmed in this way, did that mean that even though he was trying to corner uke saying he was serious and sincere while uke was contemplating the serious matter of being in a relationship with a student of a university department he was currently employed in (sure, he might not be a teacher, but still) while feeling extremely insecure thinking that seme might not really like him specifically as himself as opposed to liking him as the seme’s first taste of a man, seme wasn’t actually sure about himself too? or was it just the uke’s constant doubts that also made him doubt himself?
Really super conflicted about how to feel about this even just for the the reason stated in my third paragraph… i mean, yeah, the logic in my fifth paragraph, while I have my own personal opinions about it, it is also kinda valid… but third paragraph, though such a small trivial thing, is really where my issues lie. Well, just for the sake of the happy ending, I’m also glad that uke and I do not think alike as he and I have different life experiences and standing at different positions and seeing things with different perspectives. My opinions are extremely subjective and in no way must be taken as a legit argument and I’m also in no way saying I am right, I’m not the honored one lol, Just saying, so that’s that and I’m gonna go…
lmao not you writing an essay and going in circles but I 100% agree! the fact that he did go and tried things with other dudes didn't sit right with me.. even though they didn't explicitly clarify whether he actually had sex with them or not
i have been in a similar situation. It sucks and it hurt a lot. Man claimed to be in love with me, I told him I needed more time, then turned around and slept with a mutual friend of ours. I was really coming around on being with him - he was older and had kids and I was 21 and not ready for that kind of responsibility even though I liked him a lot. It took me six months to even be friends with him again. He still pursued me, but I felt like I could never trust him romantically again. It was like being cheated on. I just feel like if you are serious about someone and they haven’t outright said “it will never happen” it’s just scummy to sleep with someone else. Of course with me, I wound up only being his friend, even told him I wouldn’t date him but he still kept trying. Low and behold I fall in love with a different guy and start dating, original guy now won’t even talk to me, won’t even be my friend.
I’m sorry for you. Honestly, I have no such experiences and am not really that reliable when I say I understand you but emotionally I 100% agree. Even though, logically, we know in our brains that the other person has no legal obligations to not sleep with others and that it ‘technically’ should not be considered cheating, but I feel like they have an obligation to themselves and the love they claim to have, as I would have if it was me. If it’s already like this before you got together even though they said they loved you, can that love even be trusted when it seems so flimsy and light?
…is my unprofessional and inexperienced opinion. I mean, “do not do unto others what you do not want others to do to unto you” kinda hurts when it becomes “please rightly do not do unto me what I do not do unto you” and we find out that other people we have expectations for don’t necessarily think the same.
Ok so i get the whole “you love me but then you went on with others” kinda thing hurts…. But put yourself in the other person’s shoes. If the person u loved keeps telling you ur gonna get tired of me or you should sleep with others thats basically denying ur own feelings and that takes a toll everytime. So here they’re not in that “im courting you to go out with you” it was more of a fuck buddy vibe so they’re both in the wrong because this could have been avoided but the fact that u would get mad when u keep hurting the other person is really shitty and kinda toxic like ur trying to test their feelings to see how far u can push… idk
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I like it, this story, but you know, with all these mangas like this one, I’m kinda forming this image in my head of a Japan that is a safe haven for sex offenders, cheaters, and just toxic and messy relationships. I dunno? Hahahaha. Because most of the BL mangas I’ve read where there are sex offenders, they are never apprehended, they don’t get retaliated upon, and stuff. They just get punched a few times, threatened a few times, and then nothing in my opinion that would have been a lasting consequence so that they never do it again to the people currently involved or to others. Because then it would become the victim’s fault, the victim would feel guilty ruining a sex offender’s life or they would feel embarrassed that they’ve been victimized and they feel that they’d ruin their own lives if they made a big deal out of it. Like this one here, there were so many people he had terrorized and abused but because he has a child, they don’t deal with him properly (like hand him over to the police) even though they have evidence because he doesn’t want his parental rights to be taken away. I mean, does he even deserve those parental rights? He’s a criminal! Sure, a criminal has rights too, but do they have the rights to a young child just because they ‘love’ this biological child of theirs? If they love the child so much, shouldn’t they have thought of that before committing crimes against other people? I mean, I’m just glad I don’t live in yaoi-world Japan and I sure do hope it’s not actually like this in real life Japan, because otherwise, it’s really not a good place to be an SA victim. Yeah, or I’m just running my mouth, I don’t know anything about the truth yada yada hahahahaha
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/2055/uu/to_chapter-oneshot/pg-31/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/2055/uu/to_chapter-oneshot/pg-32/