Allie makes the observation that 17th Terry shouldn’t be like this. I hope she finds out the truth soon.
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Yeah, Reed is Terry’s 100th self. There’s a reason why Terry in ch129 is 117th Terry. He was basically caught/defeated and tortured for 16 more lives after 100th. Unbeknownst to both him and MC, she saved him from that prison of being tortured.
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It seems Reid/Theslid was imprisoned by five powerful people (heroes) after he gave into evil in the 100th round. They imprisoned him in the abyss and his life was used to keep the world going for 16 more regressions. They must have known the truth that without Terry’s continuous death and regression, the world will not go on since his very existence sustains the world. Anyway, when Ally goes to get the disc, someone died after she retrieved it. That someone was the imprisoned Reid/Terry.
So then, Terry regresses and, if I understand it correctly, possesses 17th round Terry. I think it corresponds with the time Ally found the Terry who had to relearn how to speak and communicate by reading books. Like he was a blank slate at first then eventually began to regain himself. Remember he also had to regain his skills and power. Apparently that’s because during his imprisonment in the abyss, he was forced to drink this water that has the side effect of deteriorating his mind and creates illusions and memory loss.
I’m so tired of some readers claiming to like or enjoy Carcel while diminishing and disregarding any hurt or pain he might feel. Most of the times they don’t even realize what they write reveals what they truly think. I can defend Ines’s behavior about the way she treated Carcel without devolving into the weak statement that it’s okay that she treated Carcel bad because of everything she has been through, which, by the way, has NOTHING to do with Carcel.
In fact, even before the manhwa launched, novel readers discussed Ines and Carcel’s flaws. (Yes, they both have flaws. We never shy away from the truth that Carcel slept with others before marriage or that Ines dubconed the painter. Both are true and controversial flaws) We don’t dismiss or diminish Ines’s pain nor Carcel’s pain. We don’t have the mindset that a healthy child’s pain should somehow be dismissed because the sick child’s pain is worse. No one’s pain should be disregarded because another person had it worse than them. Every one’s pain is their own. It’s also never okay to hurt people that never hurt you in the first place.
Lastly, the manhwa has reached the point that has shown us both Ines and Carcel are working through past and present issues. Carcel has acknowledged his wrongs and Ines has also acknowledged hers. Ines didn’t dismiss the hurt she saw in Carcel’s eyes after she confessed to him she married him to use him and dump in. In fact, in the novel (manhwa discarded this), Ines finally broke down crying when she realizes this. In her thoughts she even said that she probably already broke Carcel before when she thought of the memories she’s been getting from the first true timeline.
It’s the same with Carcel. He never dismisses Ines’s pain even before knowing anything about her past. He has always, always cared about her happiness, life and health. Those who actually understand both characters and how they regard each other’s pain would not be out here writing that one character’s pain doesn’t matter because the other had it worst. If this was the point of view in the novel then absolutely no one else’s pain should move Ines.
While I agree to an extent, comparing Carcel's of tragedy and neglect to Ines' r*pe, torture, and outright abuse not to mention how many she's been killed/died isn't exactly fair. Ines bears the burden of all the trauma of her past lives and is constantly on edge while also trying to maintain stoic so no one messes with her plans of freedom. I agree that these readers wrongfully dismiss Carcel however to compare their pain is unjust for both characters. Rather it's about understanding and accepting that the characters are healing and working through it together just like you said, that's what the readers should focus on.
I don’t disagree with you. Having read the novel I know all the details of Ines’s sufferings. What I think is immature is trying to dismiss a person’s pain because somebody else had it worse. I also do not agree with dismissing the wrong a person did to someone else because of their own pain or reasoning. Ines didn’t dismiss the pain she saw in Carcel’s eyes when they discussed her original intention. Her heart broke when she saw he knew and never said anything. She didn’t think it was okay to shove her original intention under the rug. She confessed it because she wanted to come clean and be fair to him. She even tried to tell him she would abide by the decision he makes.
It’s the same with Carcel. Even though Ines didn’t care two straws about his lifestyle before marriage and still doesn’t care, he still apologized to her several times about it to the point where she gets annoyed. However, Carcel does this as an admission that he was wrong. This couple confesses their faults and grow stronger each time.
Author Kim ChaCha wrote a mature story and a mature couple. Have you ever noticed that when Ines and Carcel are faced with a fight or contentious disagreement it NEVER lasts more than a day? That’s because they act with maturity and understanding in the end. Major fights they faced were:
1. When Ines brought the strange woman into house to entice or tempt Carcel. The manhwa itself bungled this sequence of events and development. They never showed the reader how Ines felt guilty over the way she treated Carcel. In the first place, the reason why Ines dreamt of the crown princess timeline in that arc is because after she and Carcel had sex and Carcel left the bedroom, she began to think about why she had chosen Carcel who behaves so differently to her original expectations. She thought of the FACT that she based her choice on rumors about him. She began to remember how she would see Carcel in the courts and he was like a lonely, cold fortress with busy tongues wagging about him whether because of his military accomplishments or his rumored liaisons with women. Present day Ines finally realized that Carcel was always surrounded by gossip from both men and women. She realized that many people envied him so they made up rumors about him and he never did anything to dispel rumors about himself. That’s when Ines realized everything she believed about him might not have actually been true. (This is true because more things are revealed later in the novel)
Everything Ines had been rejecting was finally confirming her clarity. Then when Carcel returned to the bedroom to clean her up, Ines was relieved. She was relieved because he didn’t abandon her after he realized what she tried to do in bringing in a woman to seduce him. That’s when she admitted that she knew from his eyes that he was in love with her and she broke down crying over the both of them. After she fell asleep, she began to dream of the timeline when she was crown princess. She remembered Carcel found her on the palace lawn and she was covered in bruises and she was barefoot. The most significant point of this dream was the fact that present day Ines realized that Carcel was in love with her and tried to help her even when she was the wife of the crown prince. The last thing she remembers him telling her is he doesn’t want her to die. He wants her to live. This is why Ines feels bad that she took his precious gift and killed herself. When this is revealed in the future, it will be an emotionally moving scene. However, I don’t know if the manhwa can do it justice. It’s a scene that makes me shed tears every time I read it in the novel.
Anyway, when Ines wakes up from the dream, she realizes she made a mistake in choosing Carcel and she was wrong from the start about him. The next day, Ines felt unsettled. She knew Carcel was VERY angry about what happened but he still stayed up all night taking care of her because she was sick from her annual fever then he went to work. In other words, he didn’t get any sleep. Ines was also uneasy about the fact that he might fall out of love with her after the stunt she pulled the day before. Then, as usual, she told herself she didn’t care. But when Carcel came home sick, Ines’s thoughts took a severe turn. She began to think she’s bad luck for him and what if he dies and how she’s disrupted his life and so on. It was really weird the way she thought he would die from a fever. This all basically leads to Ines finally being honest with herself. This is when she truthfully admits she can no longer imagine a life without him and all the people in their residence. She realizes she had finally begun to live and look forward to the future. Her honesty is what led her to kiss Carcel as soon as he woke up. From then on, Ines truly began to live with Carcel. They lived like they were on their honeymoon and eventually went away to the hunting lodge. In the fight that led to this development, the same day Carcel, as the one who was angry, overcame it and nursed his wife back to health. Even the next day he was still hurt over what happened but never mentioned it again and moved on from it.
2. The contraceptive fight. Ines and Carcel fought in the morning and made up in the morning. However, this fight was great development for both. Notice also that Carcel admitted his wrong right away. He always apologizes right away. Even though he felt he had good reason to take the contraceptives, he knew it was wrong to do it secretly and apologized. The irony is, the reason he started taking contraceptives is because Ines and Raul both lied to him about not knowing the cause of her illness back when she almost died after collapsing in the house (ep35 - 38). Ines realizes this too and because he immediately apologized, Ines finally realized she was doing the same thing she accused him of. She acknowledged to herself that she behaved terribly (dumping the presents she bought over him) yet she’s keeping all these huge secrets from him. She regrets how she threw the presents when she had wanted to give them to him in a happy way. That’s when she decided she will confess her first secret to him.
Later that evening, Ines confesses to Carcel about the fact that she chose him to use him and dump him and about her mental issues. Quite frankly, I don’t really like some parts of how this was adapted in the manhwa. It made it seem that Ines was just heartbroken over herself and Carcel was comforting her. This is not the case in the novel. This was very much about both of them because after Ines saw the hurt in Carcel’s eyes when she said she was going to use him and dump him, that’s when she actually broke down crying. Then Carcel told her he knows it’s no longer the case that she thinks this way. Another thing is, Ines realized Carcel already knew she had chosen him to use and dump him. She was so surprised about it that it made her wonder how could he still keep loving her. This realization is extremely important because it’s helping Ines to see that he loves and treasures her even when she hurts him. By the end of the story, we will understand how deeply Carcel’s love has influenced and changed Ines because of these moments.
Of course it goes without saying that this fight also shows that Ines was sorry for hurting Carcel. She knows it was wrong of her to plot to use him. Now she was finally able to let this secret go and move on from it. In fact, every single time Ines and Carcel clear up secrets or resolve a fight, they immediately go into honeymoon phase as they grow closer and more trusting as a couple.
Finally, Carcel knows Ines has been through a lot. In all the timelines, Carcel has NEVER traumatized Ines. Not once. Ines broke Carcel’s heart A LOT in the first timeline but he loved her to the end. He has always treated her well when she was his wife and when she wasn’t his wife. Ines knows this too because she will later make a beautiful statement about how Carcel has always treasured her life through all her miserable times…how he always searched over the world looking for her and how he always loved her whom she even hated (meaning she hated herself). This is why Ines doesn’t use her past traumatic experiences to excuse any wrong she did to Carcel. Ines even wonders how Carcel could still love her after learning all the things that should make him hate her.
Notice also that Ines keeps getting memories of the first timeline where she treats Carcel bad and in all of them, Carcel is either quietly receiving her hurtful words or fussing over her health and safety. So why is she getting these memories? The purpose of those memories is to help her do better this time. They help her grow and develop to become a better wife. Every time she gets a memory, she then acts contrary to her past self. Like the way she immediately vocalizes to Carcel that she always prays for him or the way she tells him she likes him.
In the end, none of Ines’s past trauma is Carcel’s doing. He has always helped Ines even at the risk of his family. It was NEVER okay for Ines to repay his kindness with plots against him. No one ever talks about the fact that Carcel helped her escaped the soldiers in the most recent past life and even housed her in a safe house. Yet the very next timeline, Ines disregarded this and plotted against him as a 6 year old boy. Did Carcel harm her in the most recent past life? No. He helped her even while disobeying the imperial family. We know in the latest chapter that his family is NOT safe from the imperial family so it was in fact a risk to choose to hide Ines and disobey imperial authority.
Despite all this, when Carcel learned the truth that Ines chose him to use and dump, he didn’t blame her. He cried for her instead and wanted to divorce her since that was her original plan. Yet, this simple acknowledgement to grant her wish inspired so many negatives comments against him. Why? Because rather than choosing to understand him as a character and how much he wants Ines to be happy, it’s always easier to blame him because he isn’t Ines. No one had any problem with Ines plotting for months to divorce Carcel but everyone suddenly had a problem with Carcel decision to grant her wish. This shows how biased against Carcel so many readers are. Their choice to only understand and sympathize with Ines reveals that she’s the only character they do in fact care about because no one else in this story has endured all the things she has endured. I guess that means nothing else and no one else in this story can move them. After all, it’s better to pay attention to the sick child while ignoring and disregarding the healthy child because the healthy child should never feel pained, should never feel wronged, and should be dismissed unilaterally,
Regardless, this work was always intended for mature readers. It’s not about pitting Ines and Carcel against each other. As this couple grew together, they acknowledged their wrongs against each other and grew closer and stronger. That’s the beautiful journey of their story.
So, that lady trying to sinisterly egg on Dolores will be dealt with by none other than Ines. She is actually the mother of the red head painter in Bilbao. She’s trying to take revenge on the empress by foisting Dolores on the Escalantes. But just wait until Inés ESCALANTE deals with her. Ines is the one who saved her son too so she should be bowing at her feet. But one thing I like is that Ines will deal with her in a no-nonsense way.
Artist-nim will undergo surgery so the manhwa team will be on indefinite hiatus after the next three English released chapters. She’s been putting off this surgery for two years or so but now it had to be done since her issue has been deteriorating and impacting her health. All the best to the artist.
All of Carcel’s lives so far ended with his unfated death. Carcel doesn’t know it but he made wishes with Anastasio after every single death. All but one of his wishes were made for Ines’s wellbeing. The one wish that wasn’t about Ines was about himself. He made the wish that he would never love anyone else but her.
So current day Carcel wishing he can meet Anastasio has already been fulfilled. It’s just that Ines has free will so Carcel’s wishes cannot override her free will. Nevertheless, all of Carcel’s wishes for Ines will be fulfilled in this current timeline and all of Ines’s wishes that she made for Carcel in the first true timeline will be fulfilled in this final timeline. Both will meet their TRUE deaths and this will finally release them from the repeated lives. The world must go forward and their descendants must carry on. It’s also Ines’s fervent wish to rest eternally with her husband after this final life.
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Oh, they get lots of time with their kids. In fact, they even live to see their grandson become the emperor. The side story ends with Ines 9 months pregnant with their third child and Ines and Carcel holding hands and promising that they will walk side by side from now until 100 years later until they die at the same time and enter eternity together. That’s the author telling the reader that Carcel and Ines will die at the same time again just like they died at the same time in the first timeline.
The author thoroughly completed this story. After the end of the side story, the author gave a list of events that occurred decades in the future. That’s how we know what their third child is like. He’s exactly like Carcel in almost every way. Their daughter became empress and their first son married Enrique’s daughter and he was his sister’s strongest political supporter. Ines and Carcel stayed out of politics so their first son did the political work.
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Ines died from illness and Carcel died on the battlefield during war. In fact, Ines died because Carcel died. Why? Because Ines told the priest at her bedside that if Carcel died, she wanted to die. The priest, who was really Anastasio, granted her wish. Therefore, when Carcel died on the battlefield, Ines immediately died at the same moment. Since this precedent has already occurred, if Ines and Carcel pray to die at the same time, their wish can be granted by God. It’s already considered done by the way they affirm this in the last words of the side story.
Regarding the other lives, as Ines said during the Mendoza arc, Carcel was always alive when she died. Since Ines was walking a different path, there’s no way they would die at the same time especially since Ines committed suicide.
If anyone is interested to see how manhwa ep177 unfolded in the novel, here is free novel ch258 on Naver. Google Translate does a good enough job:
https://m.novel.naver.com/webnovel/detail?novelId=934373&volumeNo=258#nafullscreen
Novel excerpt of the part they get busy:
Isabella was kissing Cesare. Her bright red lips parted slightly, and she was the first to invade Cesare's mouth.
In fact, it was objectively a clumsy attempt at a kiss. Among the women Cesare had met, there were some who deserved to be left behind as a textbook on kissing, complete with illustrations of each step. By comparison, Isabella's attempt was pathetic.
But the beautiful girl was doing her best to kiss him, and he thought it was quite cute.
Isabella whispered again, “Take me."
Her lips sank into mine. This time, the kiss was more aggressive than before. But I couldn't help feeling awkward.
.... I have to show you what a real kiss is.
Cesare grabbed the wrist of the woman in front of him and threw her down on the sofa. The woman let out a "Gah," an exclamation that was unclear whether it was a scream or something else.
It didn't matter. Cesare pressed his weight against her and kissed her deeply. Even the woman who had been squirming beneath him soon stopped resisting and yielded to the kiss. She seemed to feel his kiss with her entire body.
Ah, this is the feeling. This omnipotence.
When Cesare felt that the woman leaning against the sofa had completely melted, he picked her up in both arms and led her to his bed right behind him
The woman was lighter than he'd expected, and her clothing was equally light. It was still cold, but the partlet was nothing more than a thin layer of fabric, as thin as a dragonfly's wing. Even Corpiquet's hand slid open with a snap. She had been dressed with utmost care, but Cesare didn't have the presence of mind to judge it.
He frantically searched through the clothes, searching for the woman inside. A warm, smooth, soft body.
It was Cesare's drug.
Thank you so much for this because this excerpt shows exactly how Cesare's core never changed, his need for possession and control is the same, and his current obsession with Ariadne did not deter his filthy nature from exerting itself when the opportunity was presented.
Yes he was drunk, but his line of thought is honestly not surprising.
Let’s hope the manhwa team does Alphonso justice in their portrayal because right now so many Webtoon readers are blaming Ariadne for everything that Cesare has done so far because they cut out stuff about Cesare’s actions that somehow make them believe he is just a victim. Then they go all over social media to complain how boring Alphonso is.
I had to read one single bit from chapter 469 (?) when Cesare entered Ariadne's study to find Raphael there and her reaction was telling enough on how the manhwa probably didn't portray her actions and personality well from the novel. She's much sassier there lmao. Also the art from the web novel is SO GOOD? ALPHONSO LOOKS SO GOOD????? ughhbdhdnxi anyway yea I actually had essay comments here before about Ariadne and how they're misinterpreting things in her actions and not empathizing, and about Alphonso, so i 100% agree
Because he's hot that's the only reason and the say he's better than Alfonso like how even... just like the other toxic manhwas where the fl ends up with the abuser they only care whether he looks good or not.. there's a lot of comments on here defending him and saying he should've been the ML even though he's a cheater??
I think it's less bec he's hot and more because he was very proactive and outspoken about his interest. He IS charming as hell, it's part of his character design as a playboy, and he has been chasing Ariadne with adamance and unrelenting obsession. He was acting cute, he was doing everything he can to win her favor, and the way he thought of her in new timeline was that of reverence. It was bound to make some readers lean towards him, it literally made Ariadne waver too. She was confused, unsure, and even if her heart now belongs to Alphonso, having Cesare do everything she once in a different life had yearned to receive from him so badly that the hope of it kept her going, still felt cathartic. I do blame the manhwa for not properly highlighting the small details of his character and how his core values and beliefs and behavior never really changed, he just essentially is running after yet another thing he can't have, just like how he ran towards the throne in a previous life with obsession enough to massacre for it. Ariadne is now his throne.
But what does all that matter in the end? Even if it's a new life it doesn't change that he cheated on her... twice, betrayed her and he let her die?? I honestly thought he'd somehow become a new person in the new life because of how he was portrayed for so long but in the end he's still the same person he was in the previous life. Looked to me like he only chased after Ariadne because she rejected his advances unlike the other women throwing themselves at him... the scene when she kinda took care of him because he was sick (or something i forgot) it seemed like maybe he would become a different person but it wasn’t so in the end right? My point is that, knowing all he did and how he made Ari suffer they still want them to end up together even though she's traumatized by him? Charming or not, some people still like to pretend like he isn't a bad person and truthfully he would be hated if he wasn’t attractive. Not like Ari really deserves Alfonso anyway considering what she did to him in the previous life and she knows that. Alfonso was also protective of her too and he would've been more outspoken of his feelings if he didn't have those restraints on him. He didn’t really hide the fact that he liked her too. If not for everything that was happening in the kingdom and Ari pushing him to fulfill his duties as a prince, I'm sure he would've chosen to drop everything for her.(I haven't read up to the latest chapters yet so only going off of where I stopped at)
I see a lot of comments on Webtoon that suggest they like and sympathize with him because he supposedly never experienced love. According to them, his parents never showed him love. I guess they think it’s up to Ari to teach him love. I don’t know why that’s the case because Ari’s home circumstances were much worse than his. Yet Ari is expected to teach him what love is.
A lot of them also blame Ari for lashing out at him because of the past life since the past is the past. Usually manhwa readers sympathize with PTSD but not in Ari’s case. Rather, they sympathize with Cesare and has no patience nor understanding for her PTSD. So right now, some of the more transparent ones claim that if Cesare ‘turn bad’ it’s because of Ari.
That's honestly such a narrow-minded and shallow pov, and dare I say, a bit stupid.
Going by this narrative, Ari showed Cesare love in the first timeline, and even way more than she's showing him now. She was completely devoted to him, ready to lay the world at his feet, and even killed for him when he asked. He had the unconditional love and devotion, but he was still a selfish egotistical piece of shit who regarded her love as one of many. Why not? Every other woman wants o lay herself at his feet, she's no different. I don't think even cheating with Isabella in first timeline was out of affection either, he did it because he can. Because Isabella is another woman who wants him, and it inflated his ego to have both sisters want him.
What made Cesare desperate for her attention now isn't his lack of love, for many woman who are sincere in their affection for him could've offered him that and more, it's that Ari did not live him at all. She doesn't care, and even loathes him, and his ingrained desire for attention and to obtain what's Alphonso's that made him annoyed and hungry for that attention and love from her. Why is she different than all other women? Actually, even his reason for ignoring Isabella and shutting her off isn't faithfulness and guilt, it's that she now is what Ari was to him in first timeline, another someone desperate for his attention.
What Isabella is doing is literally almost the same brand as what Cesare is doing, and people just can't see it because we're seeing things from Ari's lens and why she loathes Isabella without any redemption, she's confused about Cesare, and thus people are too.
ITA. When they lament and mourn that he doesn’t understand love in this timeline and no one ever loved him, I asked what about the hundreds of women he was involved with through amorous liaisons because I’m sure even 10% of them loved him and would do anything for him. But it’s truly something to see Webtoon paid chapters littered with numerous comments of the sort that purport he’s unloved and suggest Ari is at fault for not readily loving him and for lashing out at him.
They are also quick to point out that Cesare should not be held responsible for the past life since he has not done those things to Ari in this current life. They think Cesare loves her now because she isn’t a doormat anymore and respects herself, which is an admirable version of herself. Let’s just say they have an excuse for every rebuttal so in their minds Cesare is never held accountable for anything.
Right now the Webtoon comments a rampant with accusations that Isabella raped Cesare. No one thinks she seduced him. Instead they all concur he was sexually assaulted. In effect, both Ari and Isabella are complicit in the events of this recent arc.
While I heavily think being drunk makes you unable to properly consent and this was the case with Cesare, I do think he would've made the same choice without the alcohol, given the letters of Alphonso being read still. He would've succumbed to Isabella because he's angry and spiteful, and he would've adopted the mentality of "I've kept myself chaste for a while to make her like me and finally love me, but she is still in love with that man I hate, so why must I deny myself pleasures then?"
The guilt he feels now is more of guilt that this incident might stand in his way of getting Ari to fall for him, not because he actually think he's done wrong.
Ahhhhh people with limited reading comprehension make this harder good thing this alr has a novel because when its og stories, the direction the author takes this sometimes get affected by people's demands :/






I guess it’s now Ponso’s turn to be hated by readers because…like…he’s supposed to know that Elko can’t be trusted.
For the rest of us, I guess Ponso truly feels indebted to Elko because of what he suffered in Galico. The guilt probably influences the way he sees Elko but at least he’s now suspicious. It’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out.
As far as he and Ari are concerned, I don’t think either of them are blameless. One can say the circumstances forced both of them in their respective circumstances. Just like there are those who said Ari had no choice but to become engaged to Ceaser due to the king trying to force her, there are those who should understand it was a coercive situation for Ponso as well. At least now he’s back in his home country, he can do something about his situation.
Nahh don't worry Alfonso will execute that damn disabled elko personally. I just hate it when elko tried to guilt trip Alfonso for everything that had happened to him. Tsk tsk
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