Asrahan has NO business being so cute and sexy at the same time. Wtf?! He is so freaking cute in the face but that body is ALL sex. I think he's my favorite ML so far. Even him being yandere is a-okay with me. (Probably because he's harmless, to the FL at least, and Doha is proving to be the actual problematic yandere here.)
I severely hope this doesn't go down the cliche route of her actually running away from Asrahan, then finding out she's been healed, then having to find her way back to him. Just. No. I want that entire plotline to be omitted altogether. I might just give up on this one if they push for it too hard. Some stories don't need ALL the gimmicks.
I think I've been brain washed. Boys belong in bras, panties and skirts more than we girls do. O.o
they totally look so adorable and cute, the way there skirt flapping with every single move, it's lovely
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1) How can one man be so fucking cool?! He legit has it all. Power, intelligence, ability, AND that overwhelming charismatic value. I have to say, many have tried but I have only seen a handful of characters that just have that "I was born to be KING" vibe about them. Roman is definitely one of them.
2) I am EXTREMELY invested in how the second Dimitri brother is going to interact with Roman. I'm getting some dangerous possible succession war vibes there... but I legit want him to have a solid brotherhood considering what his past life was like.
Just wait patiently it'll be fruitful
Or you can always read the novel
Can't decide... hm. Is the novel translate/accessible? Korean novels are notoriously difficult to find.
But yes. I think I do need to find it. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Yes it's translated.... I have already finished reading it ages ago
I think his brother might join hands with Valhalla
Mm. I can see why you might think so. But at the same time, Rodwell worked so hard to be worth something as a successor of Dimitri because Og!Roman was such a pathetic punching bag. I don't know his perspective on Cairo, but his feelings toward the territory are pretty solid, even in just the few glimpses we've seen of him.
I'll just keep my fingers crossed that we can have a solid familial foundation. Especially since we're dealing with a MC that wouldn't hesitate to slice off his head if he ends up an enemy of any kind. I feel like that would create a deep fissure in the existing familial relations, so here's to hoping it's a non-issue.
I think I'll go hunt down the novel after all... this speculation is just too nerve wracking. (๑•ㅂ•)و
Where and what name? Please, tell me >-<
I found it under the same name on wuxiaworld, but I think only a couple hundred chapters of it.
I actually searched on Google and found it on LightNovelPub. I don't know if it's completed there, though, since I don't know how many chapters I should have been expecting.
Approximately 600 or so. 618, I think?
Thank you <3
Go ahead and do it
One of the best decision you'll ever make
Nakwon wasn't the target~ My conspiracy theory was right for once.
For all my griping about regretful plots (on another thread), this one is liquid gold. I am actually a bit surprised at myself for rooting for them? Like, Nakwon is a genuine unapologetic asshole, but he's hella cute about it? Somehow? And apparently cute really is justice?
Mokwa could totally do better, but he's also unlikely go open up to someone unless they worked their way into his life this intensely, so... I guess I just have to hope for easy sailing here on out on the romance front... which may be a bit much to ask for...
I don't care what anyone says. Karlyle is Baby, and that is final. He is too precious for this world. Let them have their happy, shiny, smooch-y wedding already. Good grief.
An FL that isn't dense and oblivious to her partner's changing emotions toward her?! Is this even possible?! I can't believe it~!
Ngl, they are one of the cutest pairs I've ever seen. And I don't really understand why people are saying Calcion's feelings are sudden?
From the very beginning, he's never told a lie. All his praise and admiration for her has been genuine. Sure, at first, it was for her skills and talents, then her beauty which is an objective fact. But consider those moments where things shifted--
When he say her fake tears because of Rosaline at that tea party, he had a visceral reaction. He may have played it up to cooperate with Selena, but it wasn't a lie. The assassination attempt on the way to the capital genuinely enraged him. While yes, I wouldn't go so far as to say he liked her back then, but it is true that he cared for her and had already taken her under his umbrella as one of "his people."
Remember that conversation Selena asked him about whether external pressure to commit suicide could count as murder an she got worked up and he flat out told her "if you don't run away, I will not abandon you." Or that time he told her not to endure, because she had him in this world.
All of this may have taken place without his consciously putting her in his heart, but each one was proof that he was personally carving the way into his heart for her all on his own. She wasn't forcing her way in, he wasn't forcing himself to accept her. He was just engraving her there every step of the way all along.
In my eyes, the conversation where she asked him "if I died, would you be sad?", the realizations he had was the moment he broke through the final barrier in his heart. That's where the unconscious became semi-conscious, the final nail in the coffin, and the moment he tumbled off the cliff and "fell in love." Because the thought of losing all that she is made his heart ache.
Now, yes, it is going to be a battle. Because she is now also aware of the emotions he's still not completely aware that he feels, and she will have to weigh that against her desire to go home. But also because as Calcion becomes aware of his feelings, he will have to weigh losing her to her original world against losing her to death in this war against the Crown Prince. Neither of them will have easy choices to make, some won't even be their decision to make.
But, don't say Calcion's feelings are sudden. He's literally been falling in love with her since chapter one. He's just dumb with emotions. Dumb, but sincere af. (⌒▽⌒)
They're cute. I want to see them progress without secrets or manipulations or misunderstandings. There's enough conflict and drama already, we don't need relationship drama on top of that. I have loved this one, because their relationship is comfortable and easy and safe, and the least tense out of all the relationships Selena has in this new world. I don't know how I'm going to feel if she suddenly starts putting distance between them, because that will make this relationship just as strained as the others around her.
This has got to be the first one I've ever read where the ML goes "Run away with me" and my inner fangirl just starts squealing in glee instead of shrieking "Running away isn't the answer to your problems" so. Keep running away. Keep safe.
I am so efing invested in this one. Better be an overwhelmingly happy ending, or I'm just gonna collapse in despair. (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I don't like scumbag-redemption plots because they are rarely satisfying. Yet, I read them because I want to see if someone will scratch this singular particular itch one day-- I don't want for the scumbag to sink into a pathetic pity party that makes us go "just forgive him already" just to get it over with. What I want is for the scumbag to genuinely transform into someone WORTHY of forgiveness. And so I camp here, waiting to see if this will finally be the one...
Bro there are so much better ones XD this one is so bad. Like, we don’t even see when he started to fall for mc XD rn he just seems like he’s pissy because he wasn’t the one to dump mc and now victimizing himself lol.
There are actually ones where the scumbag feels so sad but then reflects on what he’s done and tries his best to do nice thing for mc and make it up to them. They like spend the rest of the relationship being like a loyal puppy who doesn’t ever want to hurt mc again. Like, those types are why I read plots like these.
But, this story took out all the development of their actual relationship, only focusing on them having sex, without any hint of actual romantic progression. This was NOT the story I signed up for, but I feel like I have to finish it now that I’ve come this far lol
Yeah, I know. Still. Nothing has hit the mark yet.（/TДT)/ Honestly, I find it disgusting that these plots can't get a little more creative with the trigger for why the scumbag changes. I wonder if there's one out there where it doesn't culminate in a "the lover finally figures out their scum and leaves and the scumbag finally realizes they were in love all along and can't do without them" before they start to change. People can change for other reasons too. I just wish we could see a slightly more proactive scum, I guess, whose ah-ha moment happens in time to actually salvage the relationship rather than destroy it completely and then they try to repair the broken remnants. They're all basically copies of each other, literary devices wise. Wanna see some innovation...
Lol I get that. There are some stories where the ml realized they’re in love midway through, but those usually devolve into a typical “omg I forgot that this all started off as a bet until my friends just revealed it to you! Oh no! But I fell in love with you!” Types of stories. So even if he realizes mid way through, you still have a thing where they end up having to pick up the pieces of their relationship, after the reveal. I think these types of stories where the reveal happens(like it was a bet or something) just really only has this plot point possible for it. The only other way would be for the mc to never find out, and nobody wants that type of story.
For the other stories where the ml is just scum(without the whole bet aspect), I think the only narrative way to make their sudden change make sense is from something big happening(like mc cutting off contact and breaking up with them type of thing). Like, a lot of times, those types of setting happen because ml thinks that mc would never leave them, so they get a reality shock after the fact.
Maybe a story where the ml is scum, and either him or mc gets in a life threatening accident or something similar, that makes him realize how much he treasures mc and tries to reform his old ways?
Though, I don’t think those types of stories will be as satisfying, as all it does is make the mc less proactive. Like, the whole mc leaving the scum is a lot of the reason why people read stories like these. They want to see the mc stand up for themselves and for the ml to suffer, before changing and being at the mc’s beck and call. Like, a power reversal type of thing.
That’s just my opinion tho lol. I mostly read these for that power reversal lol XD
I totally get it. I read them for kind of the same reasons. But yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I'm getting sick of the plot device-y aspect to the change in dynamic. Some times it just feels like the creator ran out of other devices to use, so they use the scum-to-simp arc to fill space. Other stuff could go there.
I'd like to see a story where they admit out of their own volition that they did something out of ill-intent and their motivations changed midway.
It takes serious BALLS to come out and say "I started this for all the wrong reasons and I did a lot of wrong things in the process, but you are still the best thing to ever exist in my life and I don't want to lose you because of my mistakes. Please. Help me do better. Be better."
To me, it would be far more satisfying if a few of these plots saw them came together again with BOTH being actively trying to make it work, rather than one party trying to buy back forgiveness and love with simp-ing. I love simps, but these forcefully created ones. Shifting all the power to the other side, honestly feels like a cop-out. I'd rather they just break up altogether than put up with that again. It's like saying a scumbag can't become a decent person unless they become a total simp. And that's not quite right either. Because it's not like the other partner has no flaws either.
For example, this manga here. ML started it on a bet, and the MC used him to get over a one-sided love. Who is really more or less wrong here? Not to say betting on someone's feelings isn't an asshole move, but he was surprisingly upfront about it from the very beginning (he got the MC to agree to the relationship with a bet in the first place!). I guess I'm just a bit irked at how affronted the MC is over the "reveal". ML was pretty much the IDEAL boyfriend the entire time. He helped get MC over his crush, technically, ML's job here is done. The only hiccup here is that ML fell for MC in the process (somehow) and the bet got out. That doesn't mean the ML is all of a sudden awful. He certainly treated MC much better than the MC treated his ex.
Bleh. So many mixed feelings with this one. Right now, I don't buy the idea that the MC deserves to feel this upset about it, so I can't enjoy the ML's grovelling properly. My sadism is very selective. (￣∇￣")
Lol I guess I like it cause the stuff I usually read, the mc doesn’t do anything really bad and doesn’t deserve the treatment of the scum ML. However, I want them to be happy and having a simp that do anything for them sounds good enough lol XD I think I just love the scum turned puppy dynamic. This manhwa just does it so bad.
My main problem with this one is still just how ml doesn’t seem like he likes mc and it just feels like he’s victimizing himself rn
But true, I don’t feel as sympathetic towards the mc as I would with other stories so i honestly don’t care about the outcome and them just never seeing each other again is honestly a pretty good ending lol XD the mc doesn’t give me the feeling of ‘I want to protect them and for them to be happy forever’ type of vibe lol
Oof. I have a whole separate rant for those pushover MCs (involves enabling, recognizing one's limits, and you know, standing up for yourself), but that's a whole different book.
This one, I mean. Hm. I do like that it's somewhat realistic in the aspect that one character is never perfect and always wronged and the other always flawed and doing them wrong. But that pseudo-realism itself is flawed because of the perspective we're given. We have next to no insight into the ML other than what the creator has given us to make us suspicious of him in the first place. If we don't get a flashback montage on how his feelings shifted in the next arc, this will never rate higher than average on my personal review. It wouldn't be cringe-level awful, but it wouldn't be a piece of art either.
Overall, it's a trope I end up reading because I want to see it done right as I do like the scum-to-simp concept in theory. I do wish we could see the potential from the beginning tho. That's where a lot of those with a pushover MCs fail at. I swear, it's like the ML in those got switched with someone else somewhere in the middle. The transformation is often without basis and far too dramatic.
You know what? I'm a sucker. I'll always have something to complain about. Roflmao.
LOLOL, I like it when they actually kinda go through his change from flashbacks or something. Like a lot of the time, it comes from the guilt that makes them want to change and only treat the mc like they’re a treasure. So I also like it when they’re like way too cautious at first, like they’re afraid of even touching them, in fear that my will be hurt again and leave them. And then that slowly turns into something more healthy where the ml becomes a better person and also won’t treat the mc like a child.
Guess it’s all about the little details lol. Like a scene where the ml is about to do something that reminds him of how he was when he was true scum(about to yell at mc or the like), and that causes him to fall back, and scared of reverting to his old self that hurt the mc. Like, that would be pretty good angst fodder and character progression imo lol XD like he’s not fully changed and that’s what scares him the most.
And just the idea of the guy who didn’t hesitate to hurt the mc, turning into someone who doesn’t want to hurt the mc who might leave them to someone who just doesn’t want the mc to be sad or hurt is like a good shift. Like it goes from scum, to overly dependent simp that has abandonment issues, to just a good boyfriend who doesn’t want their loved one to be hurt. Like the shift from abandonment issues to just a healthy mindset and relationship is honestly nice to see.
Like how it changes from “I don’t want to hurt you in case you leave me” to “I don’t want anything to hurt you and destroy your smile.” It shows that he’s letting go of his last bit of selfishness, where the mc isn’t supposed to make him happy, but because he wants the mc to be happy. I think that’s cute haha
Yeah also this manhwa apparently only has a few chapters left, and honestly they needed a lot more if they’re gonna turn this clusterfuck around. Like, we’re gonna need to see ml’s flashback pov soon or he’s just an irredeemably trash that doesn’t deserve to act like the victim.
You nailed pretty much every point on the head. To be frank, when anyone (MC, the pushover version, or ML, in the over-simp stage) believes their happiness hinges on another, they are doomed to be unhappy.
I guess it's about time I start searching for the next transforming trashcan...
The only consistently good thing about this trope: it's overdone, so there are always more out there and even more in progress. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yep XD whether is gay or straight, there’s many out there lol. At some point, a good one is bound to pop out… right?
Crossing fingers and knocking on wood ╥﹏╥
... My first thought at the stabbing was the "ex" was taking out the "new bf" or something. But, for all that Nakwon deserves getting stabbed after all the shit he's been putting out in the world, Mokhwa is right on both accounts.
1. How did the stabber know it was the right target?
2. He stabbed him in the arm and just bolted?
Bonus, from Nakwon's side: He was jarred enough to drop the knife, smart enough to pick it up and wear gloves, but not experienced enough to not dump the jacket publicly.
So... what if isn't a professional hit at all. And what if the target was never Nakwon in the first place? But perhaps that "hardass" doc turned coffee shop owner? Or something?
Or maybe I've read one too many conspiracy plots and I'm reading waaaaaaay too deep into this one.
... I've seen some people talk about how the split in personality is like the MC is trapped in their body and the game avatar is controlling him, and that it feels kind of unnecessary. But. Let's be real. If my chuuni phase OC basically possessed me... I wouldn't want control of my body back either. Who wants to deal with people after being that cringe. Lol! At least the chuuni don't think it's cringe so it's not even embarrassing for him.
I love these two. Roflmao.