My friend is the one who told me I'll like this manhwa and so far(I'm at chapter 41) I really fricking love it. But lister pisses me off to unbearable degrees, he's such a confusing character, one moment he's all blushing and worried and the next he's literally sexually assaulting sylhan and it's like???
If you like the dude why are you so agressive with him just because he became a slave? Such an asshole egotistical freak! Another thing I admire is sylhans character, he may seem weak by appearance but he has a strong will and stays true to himself and defends himself against lister and his behavior.
Gjord is also such a good character too, although I didn't really like him at first cause he was being so persistent despite sylhan telling him that he really doesn't remember but now I came to sort of admire his dedication towards protecting sylhan basically.
So far it's an amazing BL I'd hope everyone would read and enjoy as much as I am.
I knew it! Mr.Kim is one hell of a pedophile. I already sensed his creepiness from the first chapter we saw him in! He groomed Ahn Yeseung into trusting him so he could violate him.
Goodness I want this man even more dead now, but death would be too good of a date for him, he needs to get tortured for the rest of his life, not enough to kill him but just enough to make him regret everything. Ahn Yeseungs face makes me sad and angry, the dudes tired and wants to escape
I'm actually anticipating a side couple here, also the reveal!? I didn't expect him to end up being a cop wow I hope the author does make the side couple canon because I want side stories of them at least
I'm not being too much when I say that for the future I really hope Mr.Kim ends being the one getting raped, not just raped but gang raped too. He deserves to feel the exact type of pain and humiliation he puts Yeseung and potentially the other people who lost in the match like the other dude.
The fuck really needs to get the worst type of torture imaginable, he needs his dignity and worth stripped away, maybe even post the video of him getting raped so that the whole world knows of it too, because someone as pathetic and twisted as him don't deserve any sort of sugarcoating.
There is nothing more I wish than to see rapists get the same treatment they give their victims but times ten, the pain they suffer, the humiliation they went through and the weakness they've felt. Yeseung again, probably has a reason to stick around with Mr.Kim definitely something like grooming a helpless Yeseung into trusting him to do whatever he wants.
I have never felt such HATRED towards a character like this where it's to the point that I pray that the author actually listens to my thoughts and makes them true(as in Mr.Kim getting raped and tortured for what he's done)
There's been so many times where I've had more interest and like towards the side couples of BL manhwas than the main, is it just me? But I really think lots of side couples have a more interesting dynamic than the main.
Naah me too. Maybe its the effect of anticipation since the main usually not full filling (or they are too good and we need more) so the side cp make us more hype with different trope
Yeah, sometimes I feel like the main couple is way too basic as compared to the side couple either in personality, dynamic, or design. I do like the main couple of this manhwa but I can't seem to be interested in them the way I'm interested in the side couple.
Maybe because it's top beta x bottom alpha, so it is more unique
Definitely me as well! In my case, it mainly happens if the main couple isnāt as interesting as the side couple.
But sometimes, the main couple has such a flavorful dynamic that I donāt pay too much attention to the side couple
I really liked this storyline,I still do, the only issue is the author consistently being unable to show what rape truly looks like in the hands of the victim. I think the artist is talented enough to show the dread and discomfort rape victims feel in the moment.
But, I also want to say that the reason it's not being portrayed as fearful is due to some sort of grooming, it's been a while since I read the first season but I'm pretty sure that yeseung has a habit of defending his boss, he doesn't seem to truly see what so wrong with the fact that the models Mr.Kim sculpted were all using his body, and even felt surprised at Gyeols reaction of disgust towards the sculptures and painting rather than what I assume he probably gets(a positive reaction, possibly from his boss)
This is just a poorly made grooming and rape victim that the author could've done better, Yeseung knows and feels the discomfort and fear that his boss is putting him through, but he can't exactly tell what it is, and we still don't really know about his past, it could be that yeseung was in a tight spot and mr.kim helped him out financially hence why yeseung has said(I might be quoting this from my ass) that he owes it to him, he can't seem to leave nor escape his boss because he is tied to the one good thing he had done which was likely done to manipulate yeseung into submitting to him.
Mr.kim clearly seems to be an egotistical man, the likely reason he constantly rapes the boxers is to fuel his hunger of being the one with the upper hand, making everyone that isn't him fear him and submit to him. It the reasoning behind real life rapes too, where the rapist only does the crime to feel powerful and in control. The author just seemed to suddenly lose her sense of writing because she could've done this much better, I still really enjoy the manhwa though.
Perfectly said
I sometimes think people forget that adults can get groomed just as easily as kids. Especially vulnerable adults, which yeseung seems to be. Theyre arguing about what the rape contributes to the plotline and while I agree that the author does use the rape aspect to gain more traction, it actually also makes sense for what we were introduced to in the first season, that Mr.Kim uses sexual themes for his art pieces and that he feels in power which is why he's recruiting Gyeol, so he can lose his sense of power too.
I again also think this is just poor writing, because it really seems like the author is trying to show the scariness of the rape especially with the last two creepy panels of Mr.Kim but it comes off rubbing people the wrong way because the author can't seem to show it properly OR it is intentional because yeseung still doesn't fully acknowledge the sense of fear he feels and is also embarassed at the humiliation. I hope my comment reaches more people because I also want other people's opinions
Probably a mix of both, the author wants to present the scenes as ādesirableā for the gooners, but also wants to present it as unromanticized trauma. Which clashes with eachother so inevitably itās a skill issue on the authors part. She just doesnāt know how to write unromanticized trauma and prefers to cater to the gooner side of her fan base
Actually I think this is the litmus test, if you know the context that it is abuse and rape but you still enjoyed the scene then there is something wrong with you but if not, we have discussion posts about the nature of rape and power like right here.
Absolutely not, I do not enjoy rape scenes especially when it's so graphic like this as I am a victim of sexual assault and definitely feel the dread that victims in manhwas wether bl or not feel. But rape culture is so prominent in Korea you really can't escape it, the best manhwa you could find might have nonconsent engraved into it which is extremely dissapointing.
Sorry if I had misunderstood your comment!!
oh no worries, Iām trying to continue convo bcs you say you want to hear what others have to say, also there are freaks out there who DO enjoy in-context rape scenes even in the detriment of others
Ohhh, yes yes!! There is an issue with people who enjoy noncon stories, and as I've said seems like these people like the power imbalance. Personally, I like my toxic manhwas to have both the main characters equally as toxic to eachother rather than having only one being tortured and the other being the torturer.
I think it's fine to read toxic romance, not everyone likes it soft and sweet, I also read toxic BLs but toxicity doesn't just have to be rape, like yang ilwoo and I which although it does include coercion, it still added more than just that as a toxic trait like codependency, homophobia, bullying, and manipulation. It's just these authors really can't seem to be bothered to do a lick of research on what they're planning to add to their stories and as I've said before Asians especially Korean and Japanese media have a long history of rape culture that is completely normalized. If rape was treated more seriously like in the west there would've been less media where rape is present.
It really dissapoints me to see an author who's work I actually enjoyed suddenly turn out to have weird noncon fetishes
I agree with yours and OPs statements regarding this, very well said.
I wanted to add on this conversation by bringing up how its a concern that the author, even when writing a rape scene, which is supposed to be anything but pleasant, āgoon worthyā; still has that thought to cater a rape scene to gooner audiences. It shouldnāt be at all, it should be presented as what it is: an act of violence.
(But as OP stated, its due to country's rape culture being so embedded in society which includes artists who draw porn)
Im glad people in the comments are telling to kill this Mr Kim guy , I agree this guy should suffer highkey.
LOL!! Even Korean fujos are calling for his death, he's really creepy
I know so many people have already said this but they really do feel different to alot of other BL couples I've seen that take their time with the sex and dynamics. They feel more like a couple who's been married for years and no longer think anything the other does is emabrassing whether sexually or romantically. It's quite funny to see how Seungmin was casually frotting with Jaeyoung and Jaeyoung not even gaf about what's happening with his butt LOL!!!
They're sexually intimate, but not in the usual way in BLs, it's really refreshing and funny, I can't wait to see more of them(ć„ļæ£ Ā³ļæ£)ć„
I'm just thinking of how fucking shit his hairstyle is, who was the MC's barber bro well it fits since he has unfortunate luck
he should genuinely slime his barber out
Genuinely, he looks like a pervert I'd see on the streets with how ugly it looks, poor dude omfg