I really liked this storyline,I still do, the only issue is the author consistently being unable to show what rape truly looks like in the hands of the victim. I think the artist is talented enough to show the dread and discomfort rape victims feel in the moment.
But, I also want to say that the reason it's not being portrayed as fearful is due to some sort of grooming, it's been a while since I read the first season but I'm pretty sure that yeseung has a habit of defending his boss, he doesn't seem to truly see what so wrong with the fact that the models Mr.Kim sculpted were all using his body, and even felt surprised at Gyeols reaction of disgust towards the sculptures and painting rather than what I assume he probably gets(a positive reaction, possibly from his boss)
This is just a poorly made grooming and rape victim that the author could've done better, Yeseung knows and feels the discomfort and fear that his boss is putting him through, but he can't exactly tell what it is, and we still don't really know about his past, it could be that yeseung was in a tight spot and mr.kim helped him out financially hence why yeseung has said(I might be quoting this from my ass) that he owes it to him, he can't seem to leave nor escape his boss because he is tied to the one good thing he had done which was likely done to manipulate yeseung into submitting to him.
Mr.kim clearly seems to be an egotistical man, the likely reason he constantly rapes the boxers is to fuel his hunger of being the one with the upper hand, making everyone that isn't him fear him and submit to him. It the reasoning behind real life rapes too, where the rapist only does the crime to feel powerful and in control. The author just seemed to suddenly lose her sense of writing because she could've done this much better, I still really enjoy the manhwa though.
Perfectly said
I sometimes think people forget that adults can get groomed just as easily as kids. Especially vulnerable adults, which yeseung seems to be. Theyre arguing about what the rape contributes to the plotline and while I agree that the author does use the rape aspect to gain more traction, it actually also makes sense for what we were introduced to in the first season, that Mr.Kim uses sexual themes for his art pieces and that he feels in power which is why he's recruiting Gyeol, so he can lose his sense of power too.
I again also think this is just poor writing, because it really seems like the author is trying to show the scariness of the rape especially with the last two creepy panels of Mr.Kim but it comes off rubbing people the wrong way because the author can't seem to show it properly OR it is intentional because yeseung still doesn't fully acknowledge the sense of fear he feels and is also embarassed at the humiliation. I hope my comment reaches more people because I also want other people's opinions
Probably a mix of both, the author wants to present the scenes as “desirable” for the gooners, but also wants to present it as unromanticized trauma. Which clashes with eachother so inevitably it’s a skill issue on the authors part. She just doesn’t know how to write unromanticized trauma and prefers to cater to the gooner side of her fan base
Actually I think this is the litmus test, if you know the context that it is abuse and rape but you still enjoyed the scene then there is something wrong with you but if not, we have discussion posts about the nature of rape and power like right here.
Absolutely not, I do not enjoy rape scenes especially when it's so graphic like this as I am a victim of sexual assault and definitely feel the dread that victims in manhwas wether bl or not feel. But rape culture is so prominent in Korea you really can't escape it, the best manhwa you could find might have nonconsent engraved into it which is extremely dissapointing.
Sorry if I had misunderstood your comment!!
oh no worries, I’m trying to continue convo bcs you say you want to hear what others have to say, also there are freaks out there who DO enjoy in-context rape scenes even in the detriment of others
Ohhh, yes yes!! There is an issue with people who enjoy noncon stories, and as I've said seems like these people like the power imbalance. Personally, I like my toxic manhwas to have both the main characters equally as toxic to eachother rather than having only one being tortured and the other being the torturer.
I think it's fine to read toxic romance, not everyone likes it soft and sweet, I also read toxic BLs but toxicity doesn't just have to be rape, like yang ilwoo and I which although it does include coercion, it still added more than just that as a toxic trait like codependency, homophobia, bullying, and manipulation. It's just these authors really can't seem to be bothered to do a lick of research on what they're planning to add to their stories and as I've said before Asians especially Korean and Japanese media have a long history of rape culture that is completely normalized. If rape was treated more seriously like in the west there would've been less media where rape is present.
It really dissapoints me to see an author who's work I actually enjoyed suddenly turn out to have weird noncon fetishes
I know so many people have already said this but they really do feel different to alot of other BL couples I've seen that take their time with the sex and dynamics. They feel more like a couple who's been married for years and no longer think anything the other does is emabrassing whether sexually or romantically. It's quite funny to see how Seungmin was casually frotting with Jaeyoung and Jaeyoung not even gaf about what's happening with his butt LOL!!!
They're sexually intimate, but not in the usual way in BLs, it's really refreshing and funny, I can't wait to see more of them(づ￣ ³￣)づ
Please can someone stop these translators it's killing me why are y'all fighting for the spot
They trynna find the g-spot
Just so you know i smacked my head against the wall while reading ur comment. Kiss me, I'm scared.
Eww get a room bitch- (lemme join too)
Chill yall can join , im easy
u.u
I've seen some manhwas do this where they make the characters forgive or reconcile with their abusive parents,I hope it doesn't happen in this one. I want to see the father miserable seeing at how happy and free jinhyeong truly is after cutting him off, I want him to feel pain and regret for caring more about his image than his son's life.
Only thing author will fuck up is if they make Joon end up with that chud loser instead of the devil CEO. He literally SUGGESTED HAVING SEX WITH HIM BRO JUST DO IT
WHAT IM SAYING
I'm not really triggered that there is a pedo bishop, that shits the norm, I would've liked it if it didn't seem so...sexual?? Like I can't explain what I mean but I hope someone understands what I'm trying to convey. It wasn't shocking in any way but it's just super icky and unwanted to see him get raped twice (or more) in one chapter.
I kinda get what the idea of the bishop is, many priests get outed for pedophilia but I genuinely could not understand what this special was supposed to be showing augh idfk how to explain my goodness
Honestly, for me it looked more extreme than sexual.
K wasn’t enjoying any of it which was a nice detail to add and the bishop was the only one acting like the horndog bitch predator that he is, It’s a pretty realistic representation, actually, instead of yk, making the victim blush and shit but showing the stuff the predator does, no matter what, but that’s js my observation so I’m not like hating on you or smth
Thank God little A grabbed his head and ripped it off or ate it or smth lmao
I mean that's your opinion, what I meant by sexual is exactly as you said, something extreme, but I just don't get what this AU is supposed to be, or why the pedophilic bishop was even a character, I meant that I didn't understand why exactly the author chose such an extreme topic like rape and grooming on a manhwa that's whole plot mainly revolves around sex/porn.
Like I just didn't get why this AU was necessary, as someone who's experienced SA, I do agree that the rape seemed pretty realistic by making you uncomfortable and scared. But it just was a weird thing to add on such a manhwa is all
I totally understand that, I’m guessing the author was getting bored and unmotivated with the main story so to not burn themselves out, they wanted to make something that’s out of some people's comfort zone.
Honestly, the Priest being a creepy fuck is pretty much accurate too, I do get that the main issue being smth like rape being in a manhwa side-story, which is mainly js goon material but it still balances between lore, which is nice, in their special side story, they had both of it happen at once, instead of switching up between spicy scenes and the lore/storyline, pretty much.
Of course you don’t have to enjoy it, I don’t think anyone actually enjoyed the scene with the priest, and if they did, they’re weird af, but it isn’t inherently to base it off the same material as the main story, just the characters. (To word it better, just because the main story is horny, doesn’t mean that the same genre/appearance of the main story(?)applies to anything related to said main story.
That's the whole point, it’s a totally different au, they’re not some horndogs js constantly wanting to do it at a farm, it’s about a priest exploiting children and the result of his action(his head getting chopped off, thank goodness), again, I definitely get what you mean, tho, I don’t think that that was the intention of the au
I'm more weirded it out by the pedophilic bishop rape scene more than any other chapter simply because it is genuinely super triggering to see shit like that. I can't fully tell if this is the authors weird rape fantasy or just bad story telling.
But y'know the same way mangas have that unwanted incestuous plot, manhwas cannot go a day without a rape scene being out into it so
Oh so we being serious now, oh so the angst incoming is brutal isn't it, oh so we can't get a happy ending can we
There's been so many times where I've had more interest and like towards the side couples of BL manhwas than the main, is it just me? But I really think lots of side couples have a more interesting dynamic than the main.
Naah me too. Maybe its the effect of anticipation since the main usually not full filling (or they are too good and we need more) so the side cp make us more hype with different trope
Yeah, sometimes I feel like the main couple is way too basic as compared to the side couple either in personality, dynamic, or design. I do like the main couple of this manhwa but I can't seem to be interested in them the way I'm interested in the side couple.
Maybe because it's top beta x bottom alpha, so it is more unique