It’s all a game they play Enzo just won the first round
I think people are not really understanding this bl it’s not about grape or confinement at all, in reality Enzo doesn’t want at all to confine uno literally, by catch him he means : make the bird want to stay in the cage, it’s all a play for both of them they flirt and pull moves on each other that’s what Enzo likes, remember at the beginning what attracted him was the fact that rian stole from him and played him, that he is intelligent and talented not the focus he thought he was, he knows that he is a free bird that wants to fly and that’s what he loves but he wants this bird to himself so the bird needs to want to stay with him he doesn’t want a broken rian at all, (remember the talk with his grandfather) that’s the whole point of their attraction to each other, rian likes the danger of pretty Enzo and their tension, he literally can’t look away from his face but he still is who he is the same goes for Enzo
people forget fast what they read and I get it, read the bl from the beginning again and try to understand with your brain the characters and their interactions please, and why the f would you want a confinement and rape story, even the rape here isn’t a rape, rian consents, it’s their « play » of mouse and cat he doesn’t consider it rape because it’s not : it’s a power play : « I caught you I won, you caught me you won » and the play is still on it was just a « battle » that this time Enzo won, that’s the whole point of the enemy to lover the tension ,… it’s all about the tensions and their interactions and how they’ll eventually adapt to each other while staying themselves (I think, I’m not sure about how it’ll go but that’s how I see it) and yeah there may be some obsession and eventually rian leaving and Enzo chasing him, a big conflict between them or/ and Enzo changing too but that’s not the case at all now, now it’s them slowly really getting into whatever this is, playing and slowly changing each other (rian to stop using his body as a tool I guess and Enzo to be more « human » or really « live » I’d say)
And that’s what I like, they are equals (even when Enzo has en advantage I don’t feel a power dynamic at all I don’t get this disgusting feeling that I get when I read about such relations even when it’s subtle) it’s a game they both play and I love it, it’s really well written, both characters are really thought about not a at clichey, the trope is good, they’re sexy and they crack me up, I hope it stays like this and even if uthere is angst I thrust the author to write it well (I love well written angst god that’s the best) I sure hope it won’t fall into some clichey shitty trope that so many people seems to weirdly want
And do you really think he would confine him in a luxurious hotel room with only one guard if he really wanted to confine him ???? Like bro is a literal corporate gangster not some idiot fool
Would uno really not go out if he wanted to ?? That guy waited for him duh
They are obsessed with each other
Yall will jump through hoops to defend SA for your favorite stories lmao. Just call it as it is.
Lol fr tho
"It is astonishing the lengths to which a person, or a people, will go in order to avoid a truthful mirror." - James Baldwin
I don’t defend it it is SA but what I mean is that here it is more of a power display, and I personnally hate sa and I do not blindly defend my « favorite bl » as it is not my favorite and that was not at all my idea, I was talking about the people asking why uni is not confined, etc bro I’m just saying I like that it doesn’t go this way and that it shouldn’t as it is not written like that and here I’m talking about their interaction all of their discussions are like a game trying to have the upper hand on the other, if you think that it is the same as rose and champagne (that trashy bl) , i believe you did not read what I wrote
If this is what you meant, then I kind of understand your point. But your initial long comment made it feel like you were dancing around the issue just to defend the ML and their toxic dynamic
Using your comment OP, to defend your story analysis.
People need to stop accusing a predominantly LGBTQIA+ readership community of being pro SA unless they explicitly state, everytime, that SA is BAD, ACTUALLY. Readers are not creators.
There is currently no way to have mature discussions about wanting less SA in stories while understanding that SA is real and people write about what they have experienced and what they see around them as a way of processing trauma.
The way this is all playing out will see LGBTQIA stories censored en masse, a product of a minority culture taking away their own artistic voice.
Here is a foundational fandom rule observed for decades: Don't like, don't read. Stop being a fking cop and hurting your community because you don't understand how conservatism affects everyone - even you. Calling most likely queer people predators is not achieving what you think it is.
I guarantee everyone wants to see much less SA! Jumping straight to calling everyone an abuser is such a destructive and weird leap and not a good way to prove your moral values. Consider the rates of abuse and what the chances are of that person being a victim! No one thinks reading a spy drama makes a reader a murderer or pro murder.
If a story makes you uncomfortable, then please consider if you are actually old enough to read it, and just read something else. There is a lot of nuance to be had in conversations, but it must come from a foundation of being well read across the board. Read about LGBTQIA+ history in order to be in community with others in a respectful manner. Allow conversation about themes and character without treating it like people are holding that character or stories as their favourite or an example of perfect morality and real life.
People read what they want and interpret it how they want, but you said Adrian actually consented because it's like a game to them. I hate SA too as I have morals and always felt bad about the characters in their situations, but I did read about it in yaoi when I was younger. There is a difference between fiction/fantasy and reality. I don't know why you decided to mention Roses and Champagne as a contrast to this BL. Something trashy to others is not trashy to another person, but I digress yaoi and BL with SA can be considered trashy overall. :P
Fuck the brother (as a novel reader)
What does that mean cause I was starting to feel bad for him.
I don’t know if you want spoilers but here if you really wanna know :
So the brother (sister in real world) is the one who wrote the second part of the novel where seonwoon gets abused and commits suicide because he hated his brother’s boyfriend (Sunbae (ML in real world) (who the fuck does that, even when I’m pissed at my brother I do not write about his death ) and he tried to interfere at every turn, he thinks he is entitled to choose for his brother until the very end and treats him like an idiot never tries to talk to him or tell him the truth about this world even while seeing him struggle and going crazy with incomprehension, lonelyness and anxiety from the situation and from the novel, all of that while enjoying the life he wrote for himself with a loving family and the girl (his friend) that he likes (I think) , in the end because of him MC falls into a pound and almost dies from drowning. He never goes back on his view and continue to undermine the ML who does everything for MC, he never apologies or talks with his brother, he couldn’t take care of his brother’s suffering but thinks that even though ML is doing everything in his life for MC he is not good, even though he does what he never did as a brother, every interaction he has with MC is him telling him that ML is shitty and that he should enjoy the life in the novel (even if not said like that), I mean he never tries to understand MC to ease his suffering or at least tell him the truth, he only think about himself, he really tries to control him (brother knew every thing from the beginning) that’s why I don’t like him, I feel bad for him too and I get where he comes from (abuse, love for his brother ,…)and I don’t hate him but still as a sister I can’t understand him even more so that I hate control (the idea that someone really tries to interfere in my life not just advise or I don’t know)
Fuck him as someone who’s read the novel but it ain’t messed with meee. Cause what you coming at his man for in the streets?!
Really!!!?? Holy shit!!! Thank you for telling me this before I started caring about him.
No problem I mean he is pitiful but he puts himself in this situation
As a novel reader, how do you feel about the adaption? Like there’s another story I’m reading over here that I read the novel for and like one of the guys defining features was his mole on his face and they didn’t even do that.
sorry didn't mean to dislike
I like that his dick even though it’s big and a bit red has kind of a realistic shape (not all penis look the same, one time I was with a guy who had an big one too it’s was the same shape lol )
After reading their past I went back to reread the beginning, man I’m crying for cheol he is so pitiful (I really teared up), I totally get how he feels wanting to run away form the hurt, from reality, from his family, bro could never express his hurt and resentment, from minyoung even (that psycho) while also waiting for him even when he is not coming (bro I can’t forgive him for leaving cheol for 14 years ) because he is feeling conflicted as the only person he ever loved and who ever loved him who promised him the world betrayed him but at the same time not being able to let go of his love for him because that’s all he ever had, you really feel that he never had anyone by his side and the only one he had made him miserable and never apologized even though that’s all it would have taken to make him feel better, I get that minyoung have this grand plan but bro your lover has been miserable for 14 years, why not get him with you and plan this at the same time, I mean it’s not a year or 2 but 14 ??? I could never get past that, same goes with that hypocrite of an uncle go fuck your self you and your son I mean it took you 36 years and a talk from someone half your age to realise that being a bystander is shitty ??? Indifference is abuse too, it’s like cheol’s mom but from a further distance, For me he is as abusive as the rest of the family even though he at least care about cheol and I won’t call it love because if it was love he would have protected cheol since he was a kid, he is a coward and a hyprocite it took him having a child himself to think that if the same thing happened yo his « real » son he wouldn’t have let it go, man cheol is never the priority, even minyoung he didn’t think about cheol when he did what he did but about himself he is selfish because not once in his actions does he think about their effect on cheol while cheol always puts minuoung’s well being first but i have to admit he is the only one for cheol the only one who loves him and makes him the first in something even, and don’t get me wrong I love him one of my fav characters
Seriously you should read the beginning again after their past it really hits harder
Also I like how it is portrayed that cheol could bear every thing but what minyoung did was the straw that broke the camel’s back, that made him unable to face things and run away, the same happened to me I mean I had to deal with a lot of things but it never really affected me well it did but I could push it to the back of my mind I mean until one last event and since it’s been difficult to not run away from things when I feel the slightest bit of anxiety, I mean it’s hard to break from that cycle alone (fortunately I’m not alone) but for cheol trauma really affected him to the point of being a bum
Oh and also revenge is cool and all that but being happy is really the best revenge you could ever do to your abuser, walking away and still living a happy life I mean, that’s why I don’t like minyoung’s plan, bro you don’t need to do all that (even though it’s karma and really satisfying and they deserve the last bit of it) I think after cheol ran it would have been better to support him or run away and not let him rot in a depression cycle and still trapped in trauma same for minyoung he obsessed over revenge while leaving his beloved behind, finally the abuser won they succeeded in making you miserable : And you won 14 years of 0 happiness, it’s like those rich parents working to make money for their children but never seeing them because they are « busy » bit your kids want you not a new yacht
Omg Tei wtf you’re the whole meal WOW the lips’ bites I’m in love with
Definitely the author isn’t a virgin 10/10
(Only my opinion)
Teach I know you’re not what you seem to be but use your head please, it’s scary I get it but one why try a rebellion if you’re gonna act like that and 2 why try a rebellion in a zombie apocalypse, objectively from the outside how do you expect a society ( especially a city like this one with so many people) to run normally under a zombie apocalypse with limited supplies, ect… humans are bad and a society with no rules leads to anarchy violence,ect …(take the exemples from other apocalypse works, first you think like teach (Rick in Walking dead) then in the face of troubles you see how people become and think like Shane (guwon), I guess because teach didn’t really see the world of the apocalypse and the worse in people because he woke up with distorted memories and disoriented, he is like the people in the beginning of the walking dead, hopeful relaying on every one without thinking about human’s nature and egoism in the face of difficulties such as lack of supplies, hunger, fear,…)
he could try to change Guwons way of leading or rules especially him guwon listens and learns from him, I think it would make more sense (that’s what I thought he would do at the end of saison 1)
But that’s just me I guess it’s way more complicated