Umbra's Topics (14)

I’m pretty sure on the Korean lezhin, it’s tagged with regretful top, so it’d make sense

I really enjoyed reading what you wrote! Calm and brings up good points. Especially the cheap easy cop out for plot. It could be worse was my own thought. But it couldve been better- but that would be MY idea of better. This story is pretty damn good. Regretful top better apologize!

YAS! I just hope it’s well written atp T-T Still, this was a really cheap way of setting that up, but alas tropes exist for a reason whether we like them or not…

Absolutely it could be worse! But when there is already so much worse on this website (and others) I find myself rolling my eyes when stuff like this occurs in good stories… Because I had better expectations based on the way this story initially started. And thank you ^^~ Just wanted to share my piece when I saw all the people insulting those who didn’t like the recent chapter T-T I’m not a moralist, I just have toxic ml fatigue, yk? If Jaeyi’s regret doesn’t go above and beyond I’mma be very disappointed lol

Toxic ml fatigue is so real. Like, we've seen this before. Many times

Precisely, it has gotten so so old lmao. I need more yearner and crybaby mls in my life

AGREEEEDDDD

Some people might have a problem with the mpreg itself but a lot of us, including me, take issues with the way it handled. I love mpreg, don't get me wrong, but using pro life agenda voiced by a medical professional who even got the abortion explanation wrong to get the plot moving. It might be fictional story, but the logic behind it should be acceptable to the readers – that's one of story writing principles, and not only that, some aspects of the fictional story can reflect what's happening in our world, like that pro life agenda and how some countries still intervening for personal medical procedure, for example. It might be fiction, but people can still analyze and criticize every aspect of the story. It's also part of how readers enjoy stories, after all. You might not want to do that, but you can't tell people not to.

*but using pro life agenda voiced by a medical professional who even got the abortion explanation wrong to get the plot moving is worth criticizing for

And that’s fair… I just find the hypocrisy ironic I guess? Not from you specifically, I appreciate your response because you explained why it upsets you in a really polite way— you’re awesome bro

But at the end of the day it is still women primarily writing these stories, and most authors write what they know a lot of times. Rather than jump on the “this is pro life rhetoric and disgusting” shouldn’t one consider that this is the author’s experience with this subject, and therefore a bit of grace be extended? You may not agree with it, but the majority of the world does not give a fuck about women’s rights. Art imitates life, and we don’t know yet. The author may spin this in a way that’s not hella ridiculous.

The internet has made the world such an exhausting place to live anymore. We’re all so angry, and think that everyone should care when we are

I agree that we may approach this topic carefully and considerately. As we all know that SK has a deep patriarchal society, and that's where the author lives, so of course that experience is going to bleed into the story. Like you said, this could be the author's first hand experience or they could have heard it from someone else, though I found that the information about the abortion come from lack of research. And this, I know, because I also did consult someone from the OB. But that's beside the point. And yes the world does not give a fuck about women's rights, and that's what brought such anger. Like the author, a lot of them have faced gender discrimination, oppression, and harassment, and many came to read this not expecting to face something that hit too close to home. And that's why the reactions are strong. The author may not intending it like that, but the fact that it contains pro life agenda is not something that can be denied. In fact, a lot of omegaverse has that undertone, but the way this story brought a full on doctor to enforce that made it more blatant. And the more obvious things like that shown, the stronger the reaction. It's not hypocrisy, and they're valid for feeling upset. So I think, it's not only the author who should receive a bit of grace and understanding. Besides, it's not like they demanded the author to change the plot outright, it's just criticisms.

I do think it’s hypocritical to get so angry about one instance of real life affects and the system failing individuals when it’s romanticized or portrayed in harmful/incorrect ways, but then brushed off as “just fiction” in other instances. Why get upset about one but not the other? That’s where I’m coming from on the matter… Rape is a very serious topic that also is misrepresented and not taken seriously for many victims.

So even if I may also disagree with the direction this story has taken, I struggle to find sympathy for the people rioting in the comments here. Especially when I’ve been insulted, told to fuck off, stop reading BL, and many many other things for trying to address the overuse of SA in many trending BL stories these days.

To be honest, I've seen more people calling out how bl authors handle SA and the treatments of the victims rather than the ones defending them, that's why I don't find the burst of anger in the comments hypocritical at all. It's just that you said to extend a bit of grace to the author because of their experience that relates to the topic, then shouldn't it be the same case with everyone who feel upset here? Though I respect your feelings on the subject, I still feel it's something to think about. And besides, I don't think it's good to generalize people; the commenters who expressed their anger aren't consisted only of the people who've insulted you, are they? Some of them, if not most, might also have the same stance as you regarding that. On another note, I'm so sorry to hear that you've had bad experience with people here, and if my words offend you, I apologize as well.

Nah you’ve been a great conversationalist, I wish more people were as chill and open minded as you. Thanks for chatting with me instead of just downvoting me to oblivion because you disagreed with me.

I guess where I’m getting hung up on this isn’t necessarily at the commenters here, but rather the lack of similar response to their outrage? When you call out SA you get told it’s fiction and not real, so don’t let it bother you. But here everyone is calling out this, and instead of being told something similar that it’s not real, doesn’t reflect real life, etc. it feels like people are dogpiling the author (which is why I suggested showing grace…). Oh well.

You sure complain a lot for someone who's reading this illegally. There are literally thousands of options on this site, go find something you're happy with.

Its pretty normal to not want so many bl's to have non con and shit like that in them, wayy too many people excuse it and turn a blind eye so yk. Like there are probably a thousand bl's with just straight non con ect.

ur literally getting this for free,u shouldn't be expecting much.

Sure, but it's not what you're going to get. You're doing this to yourself. Time to take a break from the internet if this is making you so upset.

That’s literally not even the issue, you have no clue whether or not I purchase official chapters in my own time. I wouldn’t want to pay for stories that I end up dropping bc the ML decided to rape or force himself on the MC… it’s not about getting it for free, it’s that the content that we’re told to go read and stop complaining about all the red flags is dwindling

THANK YOU! I feel like it is soooo much more common than it used to be, and I’ve been dnf-ing a lot of stories lately, I’m getting tired of hoping for the worst anymore.

But why is it not what you’re going to get? Non-con and toxic/psychological stories are a creative choice, but it’s one that not everyone wants to read… so why is it being added to so much content? Even content that it doesn’t belong in and doesn’t make sense to add it? That’s what’s so frustrating to me

Personally, I think it’s rather sad to say that just because it’s on a pirated website. What about the people who invested real money into buying officials, just for the ML to randomly (and uncharacteristically) force himself onto the MC? And then it’s all brushed off like it never happened? That does happen, and people do end up losing money (myself included) buying stories that appear to be wholesome greenflag content, only for the artist/author to try and appeal to the readers who enjoy non-con and toxicity

Time to write your own then. Good luck!

Honestly your just a fuxking idiot at this point Why do they consistently choose to do that? Why do they always have to add in sexual assault? They write the story with that in it and somehow don't realize that wrong? They don't HAVE to add sexual assault/abuse into their stories and make it weird but they do and that's gross.

It's not what you're going to get because you chose to come to a story that has toxic content. The internet is not here to cater to you. You have to shape your own experience. Throwing tantrums about it isn't going to change anything. Your purity culture bullshit isn't welcome here.

I think you're the fucking idiot for coming back to content that makes you so upset. Perhaps you could make better choices for yourself and go elsewhere. You don't HAVE to read this story; no one is making you do it but you. Or maybe that's the point? You enjoy the content but you feel guilty about that and want everyone else to feel bad about it as well. You know what? Me thinks you doth protest too much.

Bruh it's easy to realize that just because you can make content that has bad shit in it, doesnt mean you should, thats just common sense. I don't know.. If you want to be pointing figures, I think you like reading men rape other men in these stories. No I don't have to read it, but it shouldnt have been made in the first place. I'm not reading this, it's just you that I'm coming back to because of your trash takes. Sorry I don't like how it's so normalized for people who make bl stories to add rape in them? Like idk bro. This isn't something you can mark as "I don't like it, but others can if they want to" because the content is weird and people who like rape in stories that have nothing to do with plot whatsoever are weird as well.

This content should not be made. Oh and let's not act as though a lot of these stories add warnings into them, because they don't. A lot of stories do not warn you in the tags what's gonna happen. The internet should not be allowed to produce such disgusting shit and it be labed "normal" or "okay" by people like you. It isn't throwing a tantrum if your pointing out what's wrong. Oh and purity culture? At this point your telling me you like reading stories where men groom young boys and then rape them. You are a genuine sicko because you let shit like this roam around and act as if its fine. There are real people who've been raped and it is not okay to constantly be tiptoeing that line and making content such as that to cater to your sick and twisted fantasies.

My good stranger on the internet, I believe there is TOO MUCH toxic content… to the point that wading through it is becoming exhausting. It’s not that I keep seeking it, it’s that I have no way of knowing until I’ve encountered it in the story… a lot of BL don’t come off as toxic, until the smut starts. Then it’s like reading a completely different story and it’s very frustrating— surely you can agree with me on that bit at the least?

Also I never said anything about purity you twat, I’m just sick of green flags doing rapey shit, and people acting like rape to love is romantic… If you’re a big enough person to forgive your rapist and abuser just because they apologize and change, and then spend the rest of your life with them? You are by far a better person than I am, truly

Lol I didn't forgive my rapist. But guess what, I live in the real world. This story is make believe. It's not real. It's not actually telling real people in real life that this is okay, because it's just a story. People are allowed to have fantasies, and most people, unlike you, can tell the difference between what's acceptable in a fantasy world and what's acceptable in real life. It's important to learn the difference.

I think you're here attacking manga because it's an easy target. Where were you when Game of Thrones came out? I bet you didn't boycott that. Actually wait, I bet you were too young to do so lolllll

Don't bring rape survivors into this, we're not some kind of monolith and you don't represent us.

Of course I don't like Game of Thrones, it's a shitty ass show. Also I never said I was, and of course I fucking don't. This kind of content shouldn't be made. It doesn't matter if its fantasies you dimwit because it's still bad?? Having fantasies where you rape someone or like wanna do something to someone without their consent is gross. Like if someone is just making content with rape in it because they like the idea of it then they are disgusting.

It doesn't matter if its make believe. It can actually have an impact whether you think so or not.

You know, art imitates life— and in turn life imitates art. Saying it’s just fiction is truly the weakest argument for condoning rape to love in any type of storytelling medium. There is no such thing as fiction, especially when it comes to art… yes there are aspects of it that are not literally found within our everyday life, but to say it is merely fictional and therefore okay to harass and insult people who voice concerns over reading it? You’re absolutely wrong. And for your information, I do know the difference, but I also know the influence that art has on reality. There’s really no need to be so condescending to a stranger on a piracy site, I hope you have a good day. I will not be wasting my time responding to you anymore.