Sagrad's Topics (35)

No your statement is right. It was kinda tricky how the cover looks like a yaoi or shounen ai cover, but I do not think its gonna be bad just cos its not between males, but I still like both yaoi and shounen ai.(⌒▽⌒)

it’s because the only reason they read bl Is for the mlm relationships and not because they actually care for the story at all. they are simply reading bl bc they fetishize mlm relationships which is nasty and since this is a straight story they find it “boring” even though the only difference it has from bl is that it’s a straight romance. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Umm please don’t generalize all of us.. it’s quite rude to people like me that do not fetishize bxb relationships. I may be a fujoshi but I still read shoujo. And bl mangas have a different dynamic to them compared to a straight manga as being gay isn’t normally accepted soo there’s a different kind of struggle for acceptance and love in bl that just isn’t the same in a straight romance. So yes people might find it boring, and the cover was also misleading soo someone could’ve gotten their hopes up. But bottom line is you were rude even if you didn’t mean to be (▰˘◡˘▰)

I never said all fujoshis were like this anywhere so I don’t know where you got that from but calling a story with good plot “boring” simply because it’s not about a gay relationship is weird. I don’t care if I’m being rude because some fujoshis are straight up fetishizing mlm and it’s nasty. even if the cover was misleading the could have just read the tags and if it didn’t say it’s a bl then they could have moved on without having to hate on the story without even giving it a try just because it isn’t a bl.

Most (not all ok) of the g/b stories show so much boobs and puss( i have those) and the focus is more on the girl lead so its kind of boring as time past when you read so many straight stories now i find BL have more heart stories some BL focus on stories not on the genre

Most Yaoi I've read didn't have said struggle of acceptance. They had the same nonexistent plot like those smut-manga, it was just about the sex.
This is alright since nobody is watching porn for the plot.

If someone says the plot is boring because of the wrong gender, that person is more focused on the gender than the plot. Simple as that.

If you’re looking at smut (genre), yeah and same goes for yaoi, you’re gonna get a bunch of cock and balls lmao. personally I’m not the biggest fan of smut I rarely read it and I prefer reading just romance so that’s not how it is at all. There are so many complex g/b stories that are a lot more romantic and heartful than even the most popular BLs on this site, and I’ve read most of them trust me, I like them too. but you’re looking at the wrong genre!

If you weren’t trying to say all you should’ve said so because you didn’t say some so what was I to assume? It seemed like a generalized comment. And ma’am I never said that fetishizing bxb is good, I simply said don’t say we all do that, and someone actually added a yaoi tag so yes misleading.

Ma’am who said yaoi? Cause I sure did not. I said bxb which is not only yaoi.. so you’re wrong, cause shouen ai usually doesn’t have smut scenes. And also I was not siding with anyone when I said some people might find it boring. And it is very possible to find something boring when it’s not a type of story you would read even if others did not. When I read isekai people find it boring when they have a female lead even when the plot is good and so. And lol don’t talk about bxb like you know it calling it porn not knowing that bxb is not just yaoi makes me wanna laugh. bxb literally is boy x boy which is a relationship between a boy and a boy it does not translate to yaoi and bl does not translate to yaoi.

If you want I can recommend you some bl, cause you apparently haven’t read the fluffy cute ones before. (▰˘◡˘▰)

nothing but the truth!

I said yaoi
After reading manga for more than 20 years I think I should know the difference between yaoi and shounen ai
So I prefer the terms "yaoi" and "shounen ai", since "bxb" or "BL" are kinda too vague for me.

I also didn't mean it in a negative way, that were simple observations.
For me great characteres are more important than a great plot. So I understand it if someone doesn't like a manga because the MC is not to their liking.

Then I don’t understand what you were trying to achieve with replying? You said that yaoi doesn’t have plot but I never said anything about yaoi I talked about bl as a whole, meaning yes there is struggle for acceptance.

But if you weren’t trying to be negative I guess, I just really don’t understand what you were trying to convey ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

i usually just drop when the girl is annoying, that goes for guys too, it’s just that they make girls stereotypical (im so kind and sweet uwu i would never hurt a fly unu ehehe let me just get bullied and wait to be saved by a man tee hee) it’s annoying. I don’t think this one will be like that though. Also i just hate romance with straight people in general because the male is usually rude?? like why lol

Excuse me, I think she just said she'd prefer to divide the BL you're talking about as whole bc it was vague to her, she just PREFER to USE the terms 'Yaoi' and 'Shounen ai'. Both genre also categories as BL.

You also said she was wrong bc shounen ai doesn't have smut scene but I'm pretty sure all people know that shounen ai is also a BL?

You just said you talk about BL AS WHOLE, right?

What she meant is in BL, there is yaoi and shounen ai. Both are different but but basically the same boy x boy and she meant that yaoi focus on well basically sex(porn) and Shounen ai r not, they did not had sex scene(porn).

If you read BL long enough, I'm sure you should understand what she meant by that, but why are you keep misunderstanding and lead things far away?

Dont say that BL I'm talking about is not bxb you meant. Bc that is basically how you did to her.

BOY X BOY(bxb) IS SAME AS BOYS LOVE(bl).

YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT AND I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND INSTEAD OF MAKING USELESS STATEMENT LIKE YOU REALLY WANT TO ARGUE SO MUCH WITH PEOPLE.

Before, You said 'they' so you basically refers to all Fujoshis. The next time you said just remember to use 'some' bc not all fujoshis like being slander like this(fetishizing mlm). Just in case you doesn’t want to argue with fujoshis that is. You doesn't care abt being rude to 'some of the fujoshi who fetishizing mlm', but what abt the the some other? You also doesn’t care?

Ummm what are you talking about? Me and that person were having a conversation I wasn’t trying to be rude and neither were they. I simply said that I was talking about bl as a whole which is why I don’t understand why they are only talking about yaoi. I don’t need you to clear up for them because I rather understand it from the person themselves. Thank you, but no thank you.

the original poster asked a question as to why the fujoshis under the comments were complaining about it not being a yaoi so I answered the question so I was specifically talking about them. if it didn’t apply to you there is no reason for you to be angry. why would I care about someone girl who call themselves fujoshis which means “rotten girl”so no I don’t care.

Well, it kinda escalated (￣∇￣")

So, it's like that:
People are happily reading this manga and were disappointed of the whole manga, because one of the MCs has the "wrong" gender.
After reading the argument "bxb is more interesting because of the struggle of acceptance" the first thing that came to my mind were yaoi, where nobody cares if two guys are having sex.
I kinda forgot about shounen ai, maybe because I don't read it much.

Although there are people who enjoy reading shounen ai without ulterior motives, there are others who ship every available guy with another guy, even real people like their classmates. It's like guys watching lesbian porn.
Being seen as a sexual material can be bothersome, that's why some people have a bad opinion of fujoshis.

I don't get it why girls call themselves fujoshis. I mean, how would they feel if some male classmates/friends call themselves "lesbianlover"?

Maybe you should just stop reading trash?
I also hate weak useless girls, so I read manga with strong female lead.

Try "Cheating men must die". It's satisfying to see those assholes and dumb girls getting destroyed by the female lead.

Also try "The Lady and the Beast". The female lead is overpowering the male lead, but in a positive way.

Thise two are so good. Lady and the beast has a badass fl and has a reversed disney princess story feeling where the ml needs the fl to "wake him up" like the prince waked Sleeping beauty. Also the emperor and the female knight also deserves a prise in my oppinion. Akatsuki no yona as well. But I doubt anyone is out there who did not hear of it. If there are I reccomend reading it. Its really good and throws your mind into conflict with recent chapters about what is good and what is wrong. I really love how Yona deals with all her difficulties. And its so fluffy you can melt from reading it, when its about everyday activities, and not about action. (=・ω・=)

I love yaoi, but honestly i came here for the romance, it does not matter much if it's not male x male for me ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I'm a fushoji but I totally disagree with you. Not most of g/b stories show boobs or any other sexual part of the female body. I think you're mixing here hentai/ecchi (sexual) with shojo (not sexual). It's been 7 years I'm into yaoi and to say yaoi focus more on heart stories than sex is a complete lie. Actually BL focus a lot on the sex part, and in some yaoi there is either no story or either a really generic bl story. If you want to read bl storuies that focus on the heart, you should read shounen-ai, not yaoi. Because in a yaoi ther is necessarily sex, if not, then it's not a yaoi but a shounen-ai. I think yaoi has a lot more sex than g/b stories (except hentai) .

I agree with you. I honestly dont know how people just assume that g/b manga is just about straight sex. It's like BL, there's BL with smut, BL with no smut and BL with smut only. There's tons of 'kinds' in straight manga, just like how there's tons of 'kinds' of BL. Like in straight manga there is shoujo while in BL there is shounen ai, etc. I really dislike those people who just says, "should've been better if it's a yaoi/BL" or like, "it's not yaoi/BL so I won't continue reading this" etc. They act as if yaoi/BL is better than any other genre. I mean i respect ur taste but don't make ur opinions as facts. Also, as a straight manga reader who sometimes read BL, if i could say the same things like, "shouldve been better if it was straight" or something like that I just know that y'all would be PISSED at me just like how us, readers who enjoy the hetero genre, would be PISSED if you say these things to us. I personally think that BL, straight, and yuri manga are just the same but they just have different genders. I just hope that people would stop being immature and not read a whole genre just cuz it's not yaoi or BL.

Like it's 2021. Let's stop this and grow up. Let's just enjoy our taste and maybe share it to others cuz they might like your taste. Anyways happy new year everyone (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Hey there! i just wanted to add a reply to this long list ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Ahem, I am a nobody here, but the next thing I know from scrolling through the comments down here is very chaotic... I see a lot of arguing and opinions. If you know you’re gonna start a whole lot of section with your opinion. I think you should try lowing it down for a bit.

But uh, everyone needs to chill some time. Let your steam off, yeah, but I feel like the people here are replying to do it to let off some steam, or out of amusement. I don’t mind.

Just wanna say that it’s very chaotic, need to chill a bit, know what’s happening, and to just enjoy the manga. I will try to state my opinion as well. I’ve been reading nothing, but just letters and words. In other words, novels.

And I read a lot of dumb stuff, the fact that I can enjoy a manga out of something that’s my taste, is refreshing, but also a bit boring sometimes. Just wanted to read something new like this, we get almost a girl’s point of view in similar situations like these, and I thinks it’s interesting to see a guy’s point of view?

I’ve been reading way too much villainess stories. Which may have dulled my tastes, and now, apparently I’m into lots of isekai instead. Which is why I like this manga. And as I am writing this, I know it might cause a bit more trouble or not.

But really, if you can’t just like this manga, then go read something else, but if you can’t help, but just still read it anyway, even though you don’t like it. Then I think that’s pretty cool, I do that sometimes too.

I don’t read much ecchi, smut or any of the sort, but I know I read lots of isekai and novels to begin with. The most important part of this dialogue I’m saying in, is that I’m more of a yuri person! (づ￣ ³￣)づ

But I’m more on the fluffy side of shoujo ai/yuri instead. So simply speaking, I am not making a statement to argue with anybody, but out of entertainment, which is why I’m typing this. I know, I’m a horrible human being to do this out of feeling and entertainment.

But it’s I just felt like it to pass more time... (Yes, I am still a piece of retard as a human like any other.) no ones probably gonna read this long-ass paragraphs I’ve typed, so let yourself be free!

I recommend isekai picnic, I like that story very much, and now there’s an anime of it! I know I’m spewing nonsense, this is my reason of wanting to join in, I guess. I have no absolute friends first of all. :’)

Okay, I’ll stop talking, I’m just a lonely middle schooler... I’ll just go out of my to disappear now. I hope someone could get my opinion though, as I didn’t really give it a very clear explanation...

(One last thing, everyone should chill sometime. I have no bad intentions of these comments whatsoever...) ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

You're wrong. I did read this long ass post, and I approve of it's message. Happy new years. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)