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You are aware he suddenly remembered that the stars he was looking at was Orion right ?

I wouldn’t call that yearning

Imagine instead of reading the stars what about reading the room. I know it's not romantic but it's grounded in reality while the other is just myths of people who might have been drunk. What I'm saying it if Ian loved Jo he would have chosen him instead of looking at the stars and longing for him. Knowing how easy Jo is he would have ran back.

I’m not talking about the Orion constellation but the stars.

I still don’t get at what time he was yearning for Jo but ok

This bitch still out here tripping get a life JO IS SACKED and he will be alone forever LOL

Just stop talking like that omg (also Destiny tried to get him back lol)

The only other sane and smart reader here

The guilt on TJ's face as Ian is caressing his scar that he used to manipulate Ian... He knows he has Ian trapped forever alone now. He can't and won't apologize for it. Ian caressing the scar is him accepting his tragic fate. Artemis That's why all he can do is look up in the sky to see Orion, remember Jo.

Someone on twt even analyzed that fading the scar was for Ian to erase and unsee his past pain rather than acknowledge it. That journey wasn't to heal and prepare for a brighter and happier future with Jo but to prepare himself to accept his fate with Tj. So he gives into Tj and tries to emulate his love for Jo. That's why we see them mirror JoIan moments.

Was Wet Sand supposed to be a symbolic mirror of Artemis's tragic love story in the first place though? If so, we were not informed. We were only promised a story of a love triangle, a healing journey, and turning over a new leaf. Doyak and the company has mislead the readers and ruined the experience for us. So understandably, we are upset.

Even if I realize this may have been the case, I'm still upset cause it's more like Doyak abruptly changed the narrative. Since I can see Wet Sand as a symbolic mirror of Artemis's tragic love story, I see that, no matter what, Jo and Ian were the true lovers. The almighty narrator narrated it for us. But unlike Ian, I refuse to accept this as the ending. I didn't start this for a symbolic mirror of Artemis's tragic love story and was mislead. Or the author fucked it up.

No, the author definitely fucked it up cause she changed the narrative fast asf

I hate that fucking scar. She really loved fleshing out Ian’s suffering throughout the story, and in the end, she made him accept his wretched fate.

So what is the message here? Accept your messed up fate built on trauma, guilt, and manipulation because you don’t think you deserve better and lack self-worth? Believe that you only ruin the people you love?

The only difference from the start is that Ian is no longer running, he’s embracing it.

And the “growth” in question? His growth leads to accepting suffering, then masking it with domesticity with his emotional abuser. It’s like everything is wrapped in a beautiful gift, but inside it’s still the same cycle of stagnation and trauma, just trauma bond 2.0.

LMAO, FUCKED UP TRAGEDY ENDING.

Ian deserves so much better than this :(

Guess that is the message. Smh. Ian should've stayed solo and learned to love and respect himself. That's what doyak should've done, but we all know she is just like Tj, in an arrogant, petty and narcissistic sense. That's why she birthed and favors him. So ofc, she thought this fuckass ending was the best of all routes.

I really love and care for Ian, but the problem is Doyak created him, including Jo. I really don't want to support anything Doyak creates. I've already stopped buying the official and don't plan to read anything else written by her. Next, I need to find a new series with an MC and ML like Ian and Jo, who I'll love just as much and actually get their deserved ending. Not just personality, but also similar plot. Then, I'll forget about Ian and Jo completely. Idk if I will be sad when that happens or not. Lmk if you have recommendations

Sigh. I was really hoping for Ian’s solo arc away from this hellhole life, but instead we got a lobotomized Ian. It’s like a whiplash emotion for me.

It makes even more sense if he ends up alone, and instead of buying a house, he should use it for his own therapy. T.T But well, there must be eg in BL, but going back to his source of trauma and his emotional abuser without clearly explanation and ambiguously ending it. As if letting your readers make their own final conclusions that again leads to never-ending arguments and discussions within the fandom. So why bother with an epilogue when she can put all of that in the last chapter?

Like, I’m fine with JoIan not being eg because she really did write them beautifully tragic, and somehow we got a closure + narration of what ifs, and not all love stories need a happy ending; sometimes ending it bittersweet makes it more special. Maybe I’m just a sucker for angst lol.

Then she gave a disney couple ending treatment with her supposed EG without emotional weight and 0 build up because she put all her last effort writing skills in chap 97/98 with emotional depth and adding almighty narrator to heavily emphasize that this chapter is important in the story.

She didn’t even bother to add Tj to apologize and saying ily back to Ian because it doesn’t really matter lol. The half-ass sketch of them in the last panel and the Temu JoIan moments while we have detailed drawing of Jo’s broad back which also parallel to Ian’s looking at the stars and every panels of Jo in the last chapter she really put so much effort. She gave Jo the best character’s final conclusion and honestly I think doyak didn’t waste Jo’s character she actually preserved his character in the end like the way Ian wanted to preserve Jo’s innocence, his bright future and his pure love to be not consumed by Ian’s love and darkness. He is Ian’s Orion.

And someone pointed out in the last chapter that Ian’s “dead eyes” have the same look when he thought of himself. Like WTH this story is more traumatizing the more I think about the last 2 chapters.

No fr. I can only imagine the outcome of wet sand happened as it did cause Doyak changed narrative based on theories and analysis that Jo fans expressed, with no harm and ill intent btw. She wanted to act like an insufferable fan and be petty for no reason. Her past twt posts are a being pulled up as proof. When I read them, she really sounds stupid and ironic.

But anyways, I agree Jo and Ian still yearning for each other and Jo being preserved in Orion made a beautiful love tragedy. Also the fact he lied to Tj about quitting smoking when he was actually looking at Orion and thinking about Jo. Like Ian really is still miserable and depressed. Nothing else makes sense, and the story ended for me at 98.

The way others are saying Doyak made Jaekyung look better in comparison to Tj is frying me. I still think both are fucking trash cause there's no such thing as better or worse when it comes to sa and abuse, but at least in fictional writing, Jaekyung is having a redemption arc. Still doesn't make me like him.

I'll stick with my favorite author, Dal Hyeonji, and revisit Pas Kim to cleanse WS from my thoughts. I've already expressed and shared all I've wanted about ws, which I have the right to as a consumer. Like wtv. Bad author, bad writing, good art, and wasted potential. I hope new and current authors learn from Doyak and don't copy her. Anyways, I'm moving on.

I'm not reading the epilogue and note btw ☠ Fuck that

Oh and it is nice being able to have these kinds of discussions with another reader like you who actually has comprehension skills. Unfortunate that no one else joined us and shared their thoughts and analysis in a respectful manner. Hoping to see you around in other stories, too! Ofc, I'll come back when I have something else to share again and feel free to continue sharing, I'll always read yours.

I just suddenly thought back to Jo telling him "when you arrive... I hope you find what you're looking for". Maybe it was only Jo's hope that Ian would eventually return to him, and that's why he used the word arrive. He waited two years for him, not knowing where he is and what he is doing right now, so he only assumed his destination is somewhere and someone that isn't him. He didn't know Ian ended up returning to Tj which made Ian a liar. Not knowing anything, or maybe he had an inkling this was the case, he still wished him happiness. Jo is just so pure hearted and selfless with his love. Ugh, my poor beloved Jo. My heart breaks for him.

It's still shocked me how ch.99-100 ian just turn to be someone i never know...i already make peace with him..i mean i mourned him enough It's turning numb..

What i want to said is ..im glad i meet a lot of smart people here...help me see this story in so many way..a real discussion, real conversations i will always grateful to you guys...its a wake up call for all of us...how artist can just throw everything away bc she is petty and greedy...even after ch.99 i still hope she will tell me how can ian turn out to be like this, what is he thinking? I can't believe she can be so cruel to ian to us like this?...whatever nothing left to cherish and love about this story..and its a shame on dyk

I hope we can found eachother on another comment section..exchange our thought again hope u guys have a good day and good luck

Ps.i always be sunchaser fan tho

If she had just informed her readers that only 2 chapters were left, we could’ve expected that chaps 99–100 would be the aftermath of JoIan’s decision, one moving forward, the other returning to the same toxic cycle and stagnation. She even claimed this was the longest season, which made people expect more. We’re allowed to have different reactions and process the ending in our own way.

For those people who only read this for the eg, they could celebrate all they want. I couldn’t care less lol, but if I were a real Tj stan, this is actually the biggest insult to Tj’s character. He’s supposedly the love interest, yet he didn’t even get to express his love for Ian in the final chapter and even his reaction to Ian saying “I love you” to him with eyes closed, did he even look happy? When Tj said before that he knows Ian was lying to him when he can’t even look him in the eyes. As if he’s just a leftover of JoIan love story ended in chap 98 LOL, but the “ghost” of Jo still present in their relationship in the last chapter. Ian straight up lied to him about the Orion LMAO. That’s why this EG feels hollow to me. No amount of domesticity could fix it; adding more in an epilogue would just make it feel more forced rather than emotionally authentic.

LOL I really hate Jaekyung that’s why I dropped Jinx, and I don’t see any improvement in the story. It seems like the author will just excuse and justify his actions with sad, pitiful childhood trauma like some other BL stories. And I hate seeing Dan like a completely doormat character. Every chapter I read makes me more angry rather than enjoying it.

BWAT sure is one of my fave authors. Though I’m still thankful for dyk for creating JoIan and I won’t let the bad ending ruin them for me. If you have any good recommendations, please share them with me lol. I’m currently reading The Hounds of Sisyphus hopefully, this one is good.

Yeah, it’s really nice to have discussions with you. It’s such a rare thing to happen in this insufferable fandom. Instead of respecting others’ opinions and being open to different discussions, they resort to insults I don’t like to waste my time on those bs and immaturity. I’m just anywhere fandoms lol not only BL community. Yes, I’ll continue sharing my thoughts here or somewhere else. Also, feel free to drop me a dm or comment here anytime.

I think since Ian is one of my fav characters I feel I couldn’t get a real closure for his character in this story like just why </3

Same here. Thanks for always having fun and interesting discussions with you guys. Honestly, she made the story really interesting, but the ending felt rushed and left me with this sense of emptiness. It sounds dramatic lol but it’s true :(

I don’t know why she behaved like that with her fans though her art style is top tier, and her writing has so much potential. I mean, she created JoIan. But sometimes the pacing and delivery miss the mark, especially since she leans heavily on ambiguity, irony, symbolism and parallels all the way to the end, which not everyone will interpret the same way.

Let’s keep sharing different opinions and interesting discussions, whether it’s here or in other stories. And feel free to recommend some good ones too. :)

Hehe, thank you for always reading my interpretations and analysis

I think it’s true that Ian found his emotional destination, but he stopped his journey and built a home, a golden cage for himself and TJ. That’s why we got TJ’s POV in Chap 99 instead of Ian’s.

I also think that when Ian got shot, it was a wake-up call for him that he never truly deserves a normal life, and his fear of hurting the people he loves resurfaced. Ian’s inner monologue in Chap 98 isn’t about a self-healing journey, but about finding the strength to fully embrace his wretched fate with TJ. That’s why he mentioned Jason too, someone who never escaped. That monologue should be read as dark thoughts, not something positive. I should have known because of the dark background and the grave imagery.

If Ian had decided to go with Jo and live with him, TJ would always follow. He’s like a leech, and Ian would always be the one to sacrifice in all the misfortunes in this story, which could lead to Jo’s possible destruction and taint what is pure for Ian. But all of this is still within Ian’s thoughts, shaped by his fear, trauma, and self-worth issues, while the narrator actually contradicts those fears.

Yeah, Ian lied to Jo about not returning to the past, maybe because he didn’t want Jo to worry, knowing that Jo always would. Ian admitted that he loves Jo and wanted to keep doing so forever. Doyak didn’t even need to add that line, but she did, which makes it feel like the most honest emotional truth from Ian, especially with the purple tone used in that scene. But in the end, he chose to be selfless to protect Jo’s life and future.

Ian hesitated in his decision, but Jo stopped him from looking back. The same goes for Jo. He chose to be selfless and respect Ian’s decision, believing there must be something Ian couldn’t explain. Jo’s love is always a choice, and he wanted Ian to have that choice too. But Jo didn’t realize that letting Ian go, and giving him that choice, was actually allowing Ian to protect him by returning to the past.

She used their selflessness against them, which feels so cruel. Because if Jo hadn’t stopped and had begged Ian not to leave, maybe all their “what ifs” could have happened

Give a try to lost in the Cloud and our dreams at dusk:D

Thank you will add to my reading list

You're welcome!

omg sunchaser...after wetsand i found this story "missing love" it a noir..have very similar theme but also darker and violence than wetsand the ML was an angel..he remind me of jo alot, the mc figh to get out of gangster (he doing everything by himself) and importantly has very compelling and complete ending than wetsand...it make me feel satisfied in a way after reading this dogshit...give it a try if you dont mind the violent ..the officail chapter complety upload too....(づ￣ ³￣)づ have a nice read

Hi melmoon. I don't mind dark and violence themes since I love watching noir films. That's why I felt scammed by WS lol. Btw thanks for the recommendation i'll try to read that this weekend i'm just processing my final thoughts in this beautifully shitty story after the epilogue.

Hi melmoon. I don't mind dark and violence themes since I love watching noir films. That's why I felt scammed by WS lol. Btw thanks for the recommendation i'll try to read that this weekend i'm just processing my final thoughts in this beautifully shitty story after the epilogue

the epilogue is really bad lol...but i didt expecting anything except ian's thought or any closure from him..and we still didnt get any...all tjial stan mad at this so it make me giggles a little (⌒▽⌒)

But a noir ending would be something bittersweet or tragic, Ian deserved a happy ending, and not alone, but with the person he always wanted

Lmao preach, I was also wondering how the noir genre could possibly fit considering this ending but I digress

No, I’m not only talking about Ian but for the character like TJ. She could have given him a redemption arc and reconciliation arc for TJIan but kept dragging the LT until the very end. And no Noir character like TJ got a reward in the end and a Disney ending that is too good to be true lol. Because this story is just excusing his behaviors like you can be like TJ and get a happy ending too without reflecting and redeeming yourself. Did he ever apologize to Ian, may I ask? I haven’t read the last chap. At least that’s the only thing I can expect for him.

Yea it's rushed... I wanted to see them talk more, to see what happened with the gang and big teddy but I hope we can get some answers in the side stories (if we get some) or like a q&a

Yes, also she said this is the longest season, so what happened? Lol I feel like I got scammed about this genre. This should be considered a dark romance and don’t add Jo’s character.

Lmao you and me both. It definitely seems like she rushed & halfassed it in the end. I always claimed that if it was going to end like this, what was the point of it being a love triangle?

I don’t think there’s a side story and she also said this is the longest season, but we only got 30 chapters. Endgame with 0 communication? I can’t take the ending seriously LOL. Sorry I hope you won’t get offended with your ship.

Exactly I don’t mind reading this if it’s only Tj and Ian and their story could wrapped it up in 1-2 season. And she made JoIan more memorable and have emotional connection than her supposed EG. LOL the ending is really a joke

Exactly

I hate even thinking about the possibility she had JoIan end game planned in the first place but changed it last minute. Like I would be more than disappointed if so. Cause isn't that what it seems like?! Lmfao!!! It's like she thought we were really dumb enough believe this is the true ending.

I'm being so for real that she sabotaged and insulted her own story. Her conclusion contradicts established logic, character motivations and plot points that she wrote herself and that we literally discussed. And even though I'm a Jo fan and JoIan fan, I'm being honest when I say I wouldn't have mind TjIan. Only under the condition if the author had just developed their relationship more and them as individuals before a damn two year time skip. Like wtf happened?

At least I know Jo is now focused on himself and that he had a beautiful impact on Ian. That's the only thing I loved about this ending. And I'm sorry and hurt for Ian that his own author did this to him. I truly empathize for Ian fans who wanted the best for him and see his journey.

Or maybe it has always been intentional and an artistic and narrative choice, referencing your Orion analysis. Well, she succeeded in that then. Wtv

True, but we will never know. I still can’t believe she really fck up Ian’s character arc in the end and not even “I love you” back from Tj? Lol should I be happy with this supposed EG ? And some people will be happy and find this romantic ? No! please, I have standards.
I honestly don’t mind either if it’s only Tj and Ian in the story. She could have explored their relationship-centric arc much better while keeping the supposedly “noir” genre. LOL

I feel like the real ending of WS for me is chapter 98. The timeskip is just an excuse that maybe she’s really tired of this story and gives the EG without making sense. She didn’t even put an effort into drawing new moments for them and just make them JoIan wannabe.

Not gonna lie, she always puts an effort into drawing Jo until the last chapter. And I think Jo is the only best thing that happened for Ian and to this story. Like the narrator said, he’s Ian’s once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. But of course, the other side is going to downplay everything about Jo so that they could feel better about their EG when they know deep inside it’s such an ass and rushed ending.

I don’t know if I laugh or be sad about this or just accept that this is a tragic ending for Ian for the sense of “noir” ending.

Temu JoIan.
As funny as it is, It's just cruel. Like she's mocking Jo and Ian and us. But if I want to see it positively for Ian, then now it's like he's able to do the same with Tj cause Jo taught him how. Ian is literally doing the work in their relationship and all Tj can do for Ian is a damn corny tattoo of his name and not even an Ily, like you've pointed out.

Ugh Jo, my beloved and mvp.

I don't know either tbh.

Like this is ridiculous a 27-year-old man thought them about how to be in a proper/ normal relationship LOL

I think there is other things that kan indicate that Ian is grounded.
He has spend 2 years on himself to work on himself/find himself, maybe found more peace, spend some time preparing the house for when Tj got out of jail


Maybe that’s why you don’t see his shoes, because you don’t need to anymore? Ian doesn’t need to be “on the move” anymore

Tj’s shoes can be shown because he is the one coming to Ian now. Tj steps into Ians space

I’m not sure, I think there are many ways to interpret it. f you focus a lot on one symbolic detail, you can build many different theories from it

I agree on the shoe thing, that you see Ians shoes many times through the story, but that can be read both as him being grounded as you say, and also a kind of way of escaping, even thinking about what to do next. I think his shoes are shown in all kind of situations he has been in. Maybe In chapter 99 his shoes aren’t shown, because there is no need to anymore

Here's what I agree with you.

Throughout the story, Ian’s feet shots felt like it emphasized that he was being pulled between Jo, Tj, and the gang. In Chapter 98, you can see Ian's feet portraying that hesitation when he almost turned back to Jo. Jo stopped Ian from hesitating. He was selfless and gave Ian the confidence to be set on his destination. So I do like thinking that the absence of Ian's feet in 99 is proof his only direction is forward (thxs Jo) and doesn't need his feet to be shown.

But here's where I ultimately agree with Sunchaser's interpretation. Sunchaser does raise a good question. Ian is grounded symbolically, but is he physically grounded and present in the same space and time as Tj? To which I agree that Ian might not be.

Tj is still very much affiliated with the gang and is now probably stuck between what is his reality and what he wants as his reality, that being a love life with Ian.

Who does he first see when he's released from prison? The gang, literally and metaphorically. He has just finished serving his two year sentence. He has not started his own journey of a new life and self discovery like Ian has.

During the car ride, Chiwoon was giving the rundown of his plans for the gang to which Tj responds "Yeah... Whatever just take care of it. That's your job now, isn't it...?" "I suppose so." Despite handing the gang over to Chiwoon, Tj is still seen as the leader whose opinions are needed. Notice the ellipses when Tj asks him that question and Chiwoon's response. This conversation shows that neither are sure who's running the gang. Sunchaser also pointed out that this conversation portrayed his current emotional and mental state.

As they're reaching the house, one of the gang members said "There is a place for you to stay..." Notice there's an ellipsis. He didn't say for how long, if it's temporarily or forever.

They arrived at the house. Tj got out, and said to the gang "Get some good rest. I'll be in touch again soon." Rest. As if there are plans he might still need to oversee despite their earlier conversation. Soon. How soon? Why would he still be in contact with them? Why did he never tell the gang to leave him alone the moment he was released? He never said goodbye to them either. As a reminder, Tj knows to be with Ian, he needs to leave the gang life, yet I've pointed out details that showed he's probably still very much part of the gang.

Tj opened the door and was surprised to see Ian standing there. This proves that all this time, during his two years in prison and now, that they had never contacted each other. That had left Tj uncertain if he would ever see Ian again. That uncertainty is probably why he still has a foot in the gang life, and his other foot towards Ian as portrayed in the panel. And quite literally, the gang is still behind Tj, or rather, we didn't see them leave while Ian is in front of him. The gang is actually in his reality, but Ian is probably not actually in his reality.

We see the full shot of them facing each other. Ian's feet were covered by the chair while Tj's feet were shown. This goes back to your interpretation that the lack of Ian's feet is to show Ian is where he wants to be at in life. But I also agree with Sunchaser, that it's also to show Ian is static and a projected illusion. Instead of Ian going to Tj like Tj had wanted, Tj is going to Ian.

Tj's feet movement to me is like a mirror of Ian's past. He's now the one moving, trying to reach his destination. But Ian is so far ahead in life and doing better than Tj could ever imagine that it's probable this Ian is a projected illusion created out of desperation and desire, hoping Ian had been waiting for him the whole time. "I worked my tail off to get this place ready. It wasn't exactly easy, you know." "You're really something...!"

Here's another thing I've noticed that's been on my mind since reading Ch. 99. I haven't stopped thinking about Tj smiling as he embraced Ian but stopped smiling before we see Ian saying "I love you". Why did he stop smiling? Is he overwhelmed? Or is Ian not physically present for him to actually hear those words? Why show shots of their faces individually and not one big pretty panel?

I also wonder where Ian's car is as Sunchaser pointed out. One hell of a walk probably. I also noticed Toby said to Ian "You call me all the way to this city". So, I would assume, Ian is no longer in the same city as Tj currently, and he's living somewhere else, Chicago.

So overall, I think both interpretations are happening at the same time. Like I agree Ian is grounded symbolically but doesn't mean he's grounded in Tj's reality, time and space. Sunchaser points out more details in their previous comment that they've analyzed for this possibility.

I’m not talking about symbolism or movement. My point is about spatial grounding, which applies to all characters, especially Ian the MC since he’s the main focus of the story.

In chap 99, there isn’t a single panel where Ian and TJ are visually grounded together in the same space, even though they are both standing and being intimate. In previous chapters, she usually shows both characters’ feet or full bodies to establish that shared space and confirm that they are physically present together. That’s why the absence stands out to me.

Also, in chap 98 it’s the most debatable to who’s Ian talking about in his monologue to fully reach someone and his “arrival” to the “destination”. In Ian’s context, he is the one arriving at his destination and the one who will fully reach someone. But in chap 99, it’s reversed; TJ is the one arriving at the destination and he is the one reaching Ian, as if the scene is framed from TJ’s context instead.

So the question is, are we just going to ignore Ian’s established context in chap 98?

No, cause I have a lot to say about that and a I'm just going to be blunt. I think he's talking about Jo. I believe he has chosen Jo as his destination, and the Ian that Tj sees is his projected illusion of him, which was analyzed already. So this time I'm sharing why Jo is Ian's destination, which will explain why I think Ian will actually be with him, or reach Jo.

Go back to ch. 97 first. At the beginning of Jo and Ian's convo, Ian explains clearly to Jo he's leaving alone "Because I had to. If I don't do this today... There is no tomorrow for us." Note: today, tomorrow, us. It is today that he leaves alone. It is tomorrow he hopes for. It is us that tomorrow is for. This is also the first time he uses us in that conversation, and it’s only between him and Jo. Tj is not physically present in that scene. This strongly suggests that us refers specifically to him and Jo.

So, his response implies he does want a future with Jo, but not immediately. We all know he has his past to heal from. If he leaves with Jo right now, all of that will drag Jo and ruin his life. He would end up stuck in the same cycle Ian is trying to escape. It's so toxic and unstable for the both of them. This is supported by Ian's inner monologue in ch. 98, which I 100% agree with. "So that when I finally return, I will be strong enough to truly face and endure everything we are meant to be." If us refers to Ian and Jo, then it follows that he has to return to Jo.

Another detail I've noticed. Ian looked at Jo with a smile while confirming he found his destination. The way Ian reacts shows a positive emotional association with his destination, which I think is Jo rather than Tj. Ian is seeing Jo literally, and this moment is symbolic of emotional recognition (reference to ch. 50 too), which supports the idea that Jo is where Ian wants to reach. In contrast, when Ian thinks of his past that Tj is a part of, he's looking at the ground without a smile and with a clenched fist. This reflects a negative emotional association with Tj and the gang and supports the established fact that Ian has always wanted to move on from them.

I hope no one is using what Jo said, "You're speaking to me as if you'll never see me again", and Ian's silence as a counter argument. Lmao. Cause Jo admitted he knew Ian might leave alone. He just doesn't know how long Ian's journey will be, and neither does Ian. That's why Ian can't respond. A healing journey takes time and is different for everyone. They're uncertain.

Speaking of uncertainty. Ch. 98 : "Perhaps... they may have missed the chance of a lifetime. However, those two have decided to leave that possibility forever unknown." "It was all real. It happened. That was absolutely never a lie. If only I could... I wanted to keep doing exactly that... forever". I don't think these lines mean this is definitely the end for them like how readers interpret. No, I think it's describing that there is a chance this is the end for them. This might be their last chance to experience life together even though it'll undoubtedly be short lived if they don't leave together today. And yet, despite this probability and uncertainty, Ian still chooses to do what's best for the both of them: leave alone today for himself and for a possible future together that'll last for the rest of their lives. But that future depends if Ian is able to arrive at his destination, Jo, with his healed, strong and whole self.

Again, everything is so uncertain that Ian was about to look back at Jo, but looking back would mean abandoning the journey he said he was committed to. So Jo, like the man he is, makes sure Ian doesn't look back : "Once you've set your destination, keep going. Don't you dare turn around. And once you've arrive, I hope you find exactly what you're looking for". Note : arrive. So far, Doyak has used the words destination, reach, back, and return. She could've used the word reach instead. Reach : a verb used to describe the act of a journey to a destination. Arrive : a verb used to describe the act of reaching a destination. Obviously really similar, but arrive emphasizes the end of a journey. Go back to when Ian almost looks back at Jo cause I think it's really telling that Jo is someone Ian would choose immediately to be with right then and there. So, Jo is the end point of Ian's journey. If that's the case, then Ian not looking back means committing to his journey that will eventually lead him to back to Jo in the future, and Jo will be waiting for Ian to arrive. And that's why and how I think the word arrive was deliberately used by doyak and why she had Jo say it and no one else. And ofc, what Ian hopes to find when he arrives is "everything we were meant to be".


Done. I was crashing out while typing this </3. There are so many small details I want to point out still but later I think maybe. Well, for example, when Ian is waiting for Jo to give his reason why he continued, the color changes to an intense blue. Reference back to ch. 73. "Because I wanted to." That response is everything cause it implies that he only ever thought and did what he desired that was for Ian. It didn't matter the circumstance. I noticed it's not just a background of blue fade. It's more like a streak of blue. It's like an instant spark ignited in Ian just because of Jo once again. And he was shocked. I think he wanted to give into to Jo in that moment and forget about the journey alone. in the next panel we see him, he shuts his eyes as if to supress his urge. The question Jo asked as Ian's eyes are shut is like a reminder to Ian and ground himself.


Like... Based on all I've analyzed, I'm seeing that that the desired destination is Jo and that he is the end point of Ian's journey. ╮(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)╭ If it's not the cased, it will be disappointing but just analyzing all this is still a lot of fun.

The thing is, she could have easily shown both Ian and Tj clearly sharing the same space. A simple wide shot with both of them full body showing both feet, with the furniture placed behind them as a backdrop, would have established that instantly.

But instead, she places them in between furniture and objects that block Ian's feet that could confirm if he's physically present in the same space with Tj. The interior of the house is too plain so I think there's really no need to emphasize it.

This isn’t the first time she’s done this either.

In chap 89, when Ian was having emotional and mental breakdown, we see his subordinate appear, who we understand to be a hallucination or a projection of Ian’s psychological state. In that scene, she uses a large object, the trash bin, to block the subordinate’s lower body. We only see the upper half, which limits spatial grounding and makes the figure feel less physically present in the same space with Ian.

Love this. I thought I was the only one who sees Jo as Ian’s destination, not just physically but in a deeper sense of belonging and state of being. It’s about healing first and accepting your whole self before you can fully reach someone without fear or guilt, especially considering how Ian blamed himself in the past and believed his love ruined the lives of his mom and TJ.

I actually have another analysis about who Ian will truly reach when he returns. And I can’t believe I’m out here discussing hands and feet lol, but to me they represent Ian’s autonomy and agency, along with the eyes as the “window to the soul” or emotional truth. Doyak really emphasizes hands, feet, and eyes in her storytelling, so it’s hard to ignore those details.

I also agree with your take on Chap 97–98. There’s so much to unpack there, especially since those chapters focus on Ian’s POV. I honestly don’t understand why people dismiss everything that happened in those chapters just because of Chap 99, when those moments feel like a major emotional turning point in Ian’s character arc.

I also want to add that in Chap 97, it was Jo who used the words “destination” and “arrive” in the context of Ian’s emotional journey. In contrast, TJ says, “It doesn’t matter if we don’t feel the same way. I just want to go home,” which feels more like his own desire and desperation rather than something centered on Ian.

And if you look at the paneling of Chap 97, Dyk separates the dialogue “the destination” under Jo’s face, followed by “did you find it?” Then we see Ian say “Yes” while looking at Jo with that expression and with his eyes open. For me, that visual subtext suggests that Jo is tied to Ian’s emotional destination even without stating it directly lol.

She really knows how to use wordplay in her storytelling. If you read the story as Ian’s emotional journey, then words like “return,” “arrive,” “reach,” and “destination” all connect and reflect his growth, not just physical movement. That’s why Chap 97–98 are so important, especially since they’re centered on his POV with Jo, which feels very intentional from a narrative standpoint.

Then in Chap 99, those same words appear again but in TJ’s context, and this time they’re used more literally, like the car arriving at the destination(the house). That contrast is interesting because what was previously tied to Ian’s emotional journey now feels reduced to a physical setting.

Yeah, I was actually trying to say the same thing earlier, so I do agree with you. I understand that the chair blocking Ian's feet, the absence of any panels showing his feet, and the lack of a ful body shot are visual clues that point toward spatial grounding. Meaning Ian is not sharing the same space as Tj, so he’s not physically in the house with him and would be a projected illusion. I was just playing devil's advocate first before stating that I ultimately agreed with you.

I love that you called back to ch. 89 cause it strengthens the idea that doyak purposely omits full body shots of a character, using the environment to show they don’t actually exist in the same space and are more likely projected illusions.

I'm gonna briefly go back to the idea you pointed out: Ian standing still while Tj is moving. I kind of mentioned this in my previous analysis, but I didn't really go further on that or circle back on it well enough. If some readers think Tj is Ian's destination, then it doesn't make sense for Tj to be the one moving and reaching out. Ian was already established as the one returning and reaching his destination in ch. 97–98 through his monologue and his conversation with Jo. In addition, visually, Ian only ever had this conversation about his destination with Jo, not Tj, since right after Ian leaves without Jo, we get a two year time skip.

So if that context is still being followed, Ian should be the one portrayed moving and reaching Tj. But he’s static here, which we’ve also interpreted as another reason why he may not be physically present in the same space and time as Tj.

Omg! I love these details you've pointed out that I haven't noticed much myself! I'm like literally geeking out

Okay, okay! I'm back with a little bit more! Cause we're talking about Ian's journey being emotional and Jo being part of it, I went back and reread ch. 66-68.

In ch. 66-68, during Jo and Ian's date, Ian was actively thinking about a future with Jo cause of what Jo said "From now on". But at the same time, he thinks "It's time for me to really put a stop to all of this. For me... And for Oh Taejoon. And, for you..." Later, Jo makes a future offer, cooking and cleaning, and Ian caves in.

First, notice how Ian held onto the phrase "from now on". He's clearly contemplating whether "from now on" is even possible for him. If he could choose it right then, could he actually continue living like this with Jo? Second, notice how quickly he changed his mind despite knowing what he must do. Third, he agrees to go with Jo cause what Jo offers is convenient, and it was on impulse.

Then, Ian goes to Jo's house. Ian noticed the decorations, family pictures, the liveliness, and how Jo's room reflected who he is. All of this contrasts with Ian’s own life. He was mourning something never had but deeply wanted. A dark thought creeped through, blaming himself for everything and connecting it back to his mom, Tj, and the incident. Those memories are consistently associated with negative emotions. However, he felt better when he saw Jo.

So, it has always been established that experiencing what Jo's life was like was something positive, and Jo became representative of that kind of life Ian desires. Jo is no longer seen (previously referenced) as convenient (would have continued to also been convenient for emotional and physical release). This is why Ian is no longer deciding on impulse or hesitating. He's thinking clearly and is committed on this journey alone for himself and for what Jo means to him. From then to now, these changes in how Ian thinks and what he values became really important for his growth, healing, and journey.

Also, we mentioned that the house Tj arrives at is empty, lifeless and cold a couple of times, but I think I only did so briefly. But, after rereading ch. 66-68, I can go why it really matters. It's pretty straightforward, given if everything else I've interpreted follows. Remember how Ian noticed Jo’s home is full of warmth, decorations, and liveliness, reflecting a stable and healthy environment? The contrast is not as simple as one is empty and the other isn't. The house Tj is in doesn't align with the kind of life Ian has been shown to want, especially after seeing how Jo lives. Literally and symbolically, nothing in that space reflects Ian and who he has become over these two years. It'd be more realistic for him to at least start filling the house with things that reflect him and how lives now. Two years isn't a long time, so I wouldn't expect a fully furnished house. I'd only expect some things that show the house is becoming his, and will eventually become "their" home, a life they build together. However, like I've shared earlier in my previous comments, I think don't think Tj is ready for Ian nor fully committed to him to build what would be their home and their life. Ofc, it's also cause I've interpreted that Ian's destination is Jo, so instead, it might actually be their home and their life.

I gotta talk about Tj and Ian's convo and what I think about it. Ch. 94 (official).

Tj : "Looking back... Ever since I first got into this line of work, no, ever since I decided to follow you... It always felt like fate was pushing me forward."

Ian : "Oh Taejoon..." (notice italicize) (two frames of lower face) (held a shock, disbelief expression the whole time)

Tj : "I thought maybe if I made it to the top, something would change-" "I'm scared of you, Youngwoo." "But coming this far was my choice."

Ian : "Why are you telling me this now... Why now of all times...?" (also italicized) (stiff posture)

Tj : "I had to tell you before it got too late."

Tj's responses implies that he only ever thought and did what he valued more in the past. His decisions and actions were dependent on circumstances. In this case, he knew he might lose Ian, so he was forced to confess. Compare this to Jo's response when Ian asked a similar question. Notice how Tj rephrases himself multiple times ("...decided to follow you..." "...scared of you..."). He shifts from what could have been accountability to partially placing the blame on Ian. As for the italicss, they represent Ian's stern anger. He's clearly unhappy with how Tj is justifying himself and handling the situation.

Ch. 95 (unofficial).

Ian gets shot and Tj panics : "Why would you do something so reckless!"

Ian : "Are you really that blind? After all these years how could you still not know me?" (looking straight at him with with a disbelieving smile)

They've been together for so many years, and yet Tj still doesn’t understand that Ian wouldn’t hesitate to take a bullet for him. It’s ironic that just as Ian is trying to leave, he gets pulled back into that same darkness one last time, symbolically and literally.

I know Tj is not necessarily trying to blame Ian for doing that, but it can be interpreted that way. And that makes his question feel even more unbelievable. Throughout their time together, Ian has consistently taken the blame, been the scapegoat, and been abused, and yet still cared for Tj enough to protect him without hesitation. It's how Ian was.

Ch. 96 - hospital

Tj: "I really didn't want to end up back in the hospital... especially not like this." (flashbacks of Ian taking a bullet for him before)

Tj shows discomfort and guilt for what happened but also desire to avoid sitting with those feelings.

Then Ian just leaves without a word, and a lot of other readers have pointed this out.

This whole sequence reinforces the idea that Tj's priorities were never Ian and what Ian wanted for the both of them. I really empathize with Ian's disappointment and disbelief.

And ch. 97.

Ian : "I guess... I was too late after all. No, if it's him, maybe..."

I think Ian is comparing Tj to Jo here. We've seen before that Tj was always coming and going even when Ian was with him: leaving for girls and leaving for the gang. Tj has never stayed just for Ian or just simply cause it's Ian.

I think Ian’s doubt about Jo staying comes from his belief that people eventually leave him. But if it’s Jo, then maybe he won’t. Jo has said multiple times that he would risk his life for Ian. When Jo appears, there’s a panel of Ian looking up at him with a surprised, wide-eyed expression. In that moment, Jo disproved Ian’s doubt.

Then go back to Jo's response, "Because I wanted to" and that blue color. To me, it feels like Jo had 100% proven himself to Ian that he really is who is, mean what he say, and unexpectedly meets his expectations. Call back to Ian asking Jo what more he can give up.

Exactly. It makes more sense, at least, if Ian is the one arriving and reaching in his own POV. She could have given us at least 3 chapters of Ian’s solo arc instead of jumping straight into a 2-year timeskip.

If they think TJ is Ian’s destination, then from a narrative standpoint, why do we have the whole conversation between Jo and Ian in Chap 97–98, plus the almighty narrator narrating their “wha ifs” “young lovers who chose to close a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity forever,” while both of them are crying?

Then we also have the narrator’s ending remarks:
“Why do some moments become eternal memories? Is it being chosen to become a memory?”

You don’t use an almighty narrator like that if the relationship is just a fling or something fleeting for Ian, like the other side claims lol. And Jo is also associated with Orion in the story, with that panel of the night sky full of stars.

Again, with the narrator: “Ah… under countless night skies, they must have counted the stars together…”

For me, there’s clear narrative and emotional weight in chap 97–98 compared with chap 99 which felt so jarring and detached as a reader without knowing the “why” and “how”.

I know! I really want an Ian solo arc to show his journey cause that's like the biggest part of his growth and change. I want to know he heals and lives differently, and how he feels and what he thinks through the process. It's his story after all. And yes, I like how you pointed out the narrator who shows the huge contrast between chapters. That's why seeing Tj and Ian together after two years doesn't make sense.

Is that what it translated to? “Why do some moments become eternal memories? Is it being chosen to become a memory?” This makes so much more sense than the translation on here. I had a hard time understanding what it meant. These questions I believe are meant for Ian to answer cause Ian decides which moments are chosen to become eternal memories, but more than that, I think it's the moments that mean so much more to him that stays as eternal memories. Since we've analyzed many significant moments that have a huge impact on Ian, including moments from earlier in the story, then it could be any, some, or all of those that Ian choses keep as an eternal memory. I will say that I believe these memories Ian keeps forever will be positive ones, ones that will keep him grounded on his journey, and ones that will help him to never forget what he cherishes. When he return to his destination, he'll be able to create many more memories just like them to also cherish forever.

See, throughout the story, Ian’s thoughts and feelings about Jo change the same way he changes too. Regardless of our own shipping biases, we can’t just dismiss Ian’s feelings for Jo because love comes in different forms. Some people here only view true love as something that requires a long shared history, intense and passionate. But Ian himself described his relationship with TJ as a withered flower and as Jason once said to TJ, the heart might change.

Speaking of Ian’s emotional growth, I will reference 2 chapters from Jo’s POV about Ian’s back. In Chap 28, “It looks so small,” compared to Chap 98, “No more… it doesn’t look small.” This is also why I think Jo stopped Ian from looking back. Even though he wanted to beg Ian not to leave, he chose to set aside his own feelings because he finally sees Ian’s growth and changes. He understands that this is something important for Ian, something he needs to complete his emotional journey alone to reach his destination.

Chap 66–68 set up Ian’s initial decision-making. When he was spiraling about his childhood, his mom, and then TJ, he also started reflecting on his past and self-worth issues. At the same time, as you mentioned he was thinking about a future with Jo, but his past always brought negative emotions and reminded him that everything he loves will be ruined because of him. I love how Jo stopped his spiraling thoughts and made him feel calm. Also, I love that part in Chap 67 when Ian said Jo must feel uncomfortable in his apartment, but Jo replied that he didn’t care about that. What mattered to him was being with Ian, no matter where that may be.

But the real catalyst of Ian’s choice was when he discovered that Jaime’s men were targeting Jo to bait him. That’s why he killed that guy in the alley without hesitation. I’ve never seen Ian look that scary, his whole panel turning into shades of red. That’s the reason why he went to Jaime willingly, to protect Jo and his family. It also caused trouble with the Brown Bear gang and put TJ in a tight spot with both the Asian gang and the BB gang. Yet some people believe Ian went back to TJ just because they had sex in a public bathroom while Ian was also thinking about Jo lol.

Yeah, honestly, that house looks like a model house for viewing. If Ian is really living there or planning to live there, it would be interesting if we at least saw some traces or belongings of Ian after those two years, something that shows real change. For me, the location and exterior of the house are not that important, it’s what’s inside that proves someone is actually living there. But who knows, maybe she plans for both of them to fill that house together or maybe Ian is actually living somewhere else that’s full of his belongings.

I just used google translate lol , but my interpretation is that the narrator is basically saying their shared moments will remain with them forever. So it’s up to them whether those moments will be chosen to become eternal memories. I think the question is for both of them it should be a mutual choice.

Also “eternal” means infinity and stars also symbolize infinity. So connecting that to the night sky panel, it feels like those moments carry a sense of something lasting and meaningful.

Ch. 100 just released </3... After all we discussed, it really doesn't make sense for doyak to have it end like this. Wtv. Jo deserves better and I'm moving on to find a better read.

I love how you you connected it to the stars. By looking at the stars, I like to think Ian will always remember the impact Jo, Orion, had on him even though he's with Tj. Ugh, it really just isn't right.

It's amazing how we discussed and analyzed this together, understood what should've been better for Ian, how Ian should have changed (which was supposed to be the premise of the story but didn't happen) and how it should've ended for Ian. Better than how the author concluded her own story. The author did this to her own characters. It's unbelievable. We are truly too smart for HER Wet San that fell short.


Lmk how you feel about the ending. As a Jo fan, I am crushed. I stand by what I said: He absolutely gave his everything to Ian since the beginning and represented everything that Ian wanted. While Tj wasn't any of that. He should've been end game. Although, I'm glad Jo is now focusing on himself and what's better for him self.

Not to say I'm not hurt for Ian. I truly am, just as much as I'm hurt for Jo. I'm not hurt for Ian cause he didn't end up with Jo though. Only cause I also understood what should've been better for him, how he should've healed and turned over a new leaf (this was premise of the story that wasn't portrayed at all), and how it should've ended for him. Like everything we analyzed and discussed together, we knew all of that. All of that was how wet sand should have concluded.

It's amazing how we knew this better than the author that concluded her own story. It's unbelievable the author did this to her own characters. We are truly too smart for HER Wet Sand that fell short.

LMFAO I meant to delete the top cause I was editing as I typed woops. My point still stands

I'm hurt but I'm not crying. Overall disappointed like How I said I would be. I'm moving on for a better read

Nvm. I just found out you wrote it all in other posts!

I feel bad for Ian because he’s my fave and I don’t know if she hated Ian her MC. What’s even the point of his healing journey? And what’s worst TJ never apologizes and redeems himself. Maybe I expected too much from this story and try to make things some sense, but maybe it should be read in a surface level way lol. TJ and Jo at least got a good ending. I’m disappointed too, but the EG is ridiculously funny.

Literally top 10 unsolved mysteries.

As I've mentioned before, Tj literally didn't want to sit in his discomfort and guilt. And yeah, we all pointed out he didn't even apologize and admit his guilt and truly sit on it to reflect. He did not have his own character arc. And we did not see the biggest change of Ian's character arc, the journey to healing. Jfc. It's truly disappointing how it ended this way for Ian. Ian really left to heal just to come back to the very same person who abused him so he can handle more abuse. And that person is a fairy all of a sudden, so it's okay. Idfk what the author is truly thinking nor why she did not develop their characters for this conclusion.

So don't say we expected too much from wet sand. It was the author who failed to keep up with her own narrative. That's truly an accomplishment for an author like her.

I guess Ian coming back to his unapologetic abuser was what Ian really meant when he said he'll return to endure everything we were meant to be. Like no! Cut the bs! Cut the cameras! I am the true author here and we are smarter than the author who wrote this in the first place, so what he actually means is to endure and keep himself strong to be with Jo.

Like huh?

You know it feels like TJ is her MC. She made it too easy for his character and made Ian more suffer in the story until the very end. He worked hard to buy a house for them?! TJ avoided all confrontation with Ian, but he still got a confession?! Can you imagine what the message she’s trying to tell her readers is?

It’s like Ian relapsing from his addiction (TJ), and he is self-aware that Jo deserves better. Because he never really sees his self worth in the end and just settles and goes back to old habits and familiarity. Sigh.

It’s like accepting his f***-up fate since it will keep following him for the rest of his life, and since he didn’t want to drag Jo and his family.
I think he never really recovered from his self-worth issues and just settled for familiarity and worked more on his relationship with Tj. Like, I get it but it’s unrealistic for a 20-year trauma bond.

you explained this beautifully

Just letting you that I love your analysis

Love this

girl...don't say I didn't warn you a gazillion times over.

The delusion is real with this one LOL. This is why I keep saying Jo stans are dumb as fuck because you guys really are. Always OVER analyzing negligible details and missing out on the super clear details. I’m pretty sure Doyak knows how big of a fandom TJ has and she won’t risk playing in their face by making this TJ’s “dream”, dumbass. Also in chapter 98 it is clearly stated that Ian and Jo decided to end the possibility of their future FOREVER. What part of “forever” don’t you understand?

yeeess, clock that bish!!

Im so ready for this all to be an illusion and for her to pull the rug out lol. Great analysis!! So excited to read the final chapters.

Triggered much with my post? Why ? because you can’t come up with rebuttal arguments so instead you just insult someone who you don’t even fucking know over a FICTIONAL CHARACTERS LMAO maybe try to look at yourself in the mirror or maybe touch some grass. Anyway I won’t stoop to your level so keep your immaturity to yourself. And FYI I’M AN IAN STAN!

Lol this Tj stans are pathetic. Mass DISLIKING the logic analysis while mass LIKING their side comments. Pure comedy

Also I want to point out that when TJ was inside the car talking about destination, the surrounding was pure white no tress and road nothing, leaning towards him hallucinating

we're just all flabberghasted yall are holding on until the bitter end. the self hypnosis gaslighting is real.

Let's see about that . I'll definitely come back to THIS comment on 2nd April

by all means PLEASE do. XDDDD

SURE

Yeah but hallucinating is uncontrollable, so I think the better term to use is idealized perception or projected illusion. Also, before the car ride conversation with Chiwoon, there are 2 panels of cropped buildings. If you compared the two panels, the bottom building had a “red light leak” at the bottom of the building. Dyk clearly uses photography concepts in her art; they probably think it’s just for aesthetic lol.

Yeah bitch we can’t wait to finally see you jump off a cliff after embarrassing yourself multiple times with your delusional takes. Make sure you bring your little gang with you (melmoon, Ms Manhwa) they seem awfully quiet lately

I don’t need to refute your stupid ass analysis I didn’t even bother to read the whole shit, who the hell has time for that? A quick skim through it already told me you have the brain of a koala. Luckily mangago doesn’t let you delete your comments so you can reflect on how delusional and pathetic you Josacked stans are, that bitch ass white boy was already SACKEDDDDD get a life

Op wasn't even being bias nor were they being hostile in their analysis. So, I don't know why you're being hostile, throwing insults, and telling someone to off themselves over this as it's unwarranted and quite literally concerning. Also, you do realize making an analysis doesn't mean it's fact, right? So, it's ironic when you say "I don't need to refute your stupid ass analysis" as if op is making factual claims. Lmfao. Also ironic when you say "I didn’t even bother to read the whole shit" cause it makes your response pointless. Just so you know, the story hasn't ended yet. With just a few chapters left, it could still go either way. Even if it goes your way or op's, it’s still a shame you’d rather throw insults and be hostile than actually engage. This is why wet sand discussions are hard to have as it almost always devolves into hostility. If you're not going to engage and share your analysis, instead of being hostile for no reason, just scroll. Don't even comment. Thxs.

I'm not just calling you out but also looni, Butters Scotch and other readers alike.

I'm not just calling you out but also looni, Butters Scotch and other readers alike.

@dacryphilia I can comment whatever I want. If you still think the story can go Jo’s way you’re dumber than a koala and whoever wrote up this delusional analysis. Didn’t know we need to learn geography before reading a fucking BL, loser. And bitch if you’re gonna respond to my comment then don’t block me from responding to your bullshit

Thank you. I honestly decided not to respond to them, especially with how they were behaving. Like nope, I don’t want to deal with these immature keyboard warriors and waste my time lol. But they won’t stop me from sharing my thoughts and opinions about the story I like.

Yeah, no worries. I'm glad you'll keep sharing them. It's always fun to read what you think

Yuna telling she won't waste her time with me yet here we go again you sawdust brain

Yeah, fandom discussion should be fun and engaging, but they turned WS fandom into an echo chamber lol. Also I’m an active reader and watcher, so I always question things that don’t make sense to me and come up with different possibilities and interpretations especially since this story is still ongoing.

Some people need to learn the difference between a “DREAM” VS “PSYCHOLOGICAL STATE” of a character. And I never even mentioned the word “DREAM” in my analysis LOL

LOL… the biggest cope I will also come back to this comment you about to be just as embarrassed as you are acting

No problem you are MOST WELCOME

Anyway who send you here? Are you one of those multiple accounts made by tj stans? The fact that this topic was made on 28 March and you coming on 1st April is very suspicious

*31st

This aged like milk LOL I already told you, you focused on the wrongggg shit. It’s a BL manhwa not a geography test or if you can see the legs being drawn or not. I said it before and I’ll say it again you Jo stans are fucking DELUSIONAL and dumb af. Bye bitches, use your brain when reading the next BL story ok? LOLOLOL

Lol It’s my interpretation why do you care so much it’s just a fictional story YOU DONT HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW I READ THE STORY! Congrats with your DISNEY ASS ENDING! LOL HAPPY?!

At least TJ Ian has an ending I bet you wish Jo had that Disney ending lol but guess what he gets nothing because he’s a stupid bitch ass just like his stans. Go cry in a corner and yes bitch I can tell you how to read the story if you’re twisting and bending the author’s ideas for your own delusional fantasy, what a brain rot

Lmaoooo I'm not sad you know why? Because tjian didn't get a meaningful ending all those panels were a copypaste of Jo and Ian lmaoo. The last chapter was a recycled panels of Joian

CRY ABOUT IT

how you feeling now….embarrassed? finally chapter and tjian ARE endgame!

Fumii at least Ian and TJ have an ending, what does Jo have? A photo LOLOLOL EMBARRASSING AS USUAL

crying haha

I'm beyond happy tbh more glad that it was not a dream you know why ? Because Jo doesn't deserve a rush messy ending like your fav tj lol . Imagine wet sand going downhill and your fav is the endgame lol. Never been happy. No character development, no healing nothing lol congratulations

Hahahahahaha! Well you kept your word that you were gonna come back at least. Yes the automatic 180 turn on hating the author, story and character(s) because it didn't end the way you've falsely hoped. You have no one to blame but yourself. Take it to A03 but remember end game is TJIAN! It's CANON. And unlike your illusions, the ending insinuates they'll live a pretty domestic, happy and blissful life. Cope.

@sunchaser and qurl...what'd I say since the beginning. there's a huge difference between what the author is canonically trying to convey and what you as a reader wanted to see. should've called it a day in ch 98.

Lmaoo I'm more sad that you got a recycled temu version of Joian panels in your fav tj ending. Poor you

I think it speaks volumes when Ian rather be with temu TJ then whatever the hell Jo and him was. He just didn't want him. tsk tsk. COPE lmfaoooooooo. poor you.

Aww poor you , you can't even accept this worked ended poorly. Cope well. Jo doesn't deserve all this FLOP

And I'm so happy for that reason

And now that we've seen how this works ended with so many unanswered questions, rushed ending poorly written, it's not worth my time sending it for this flop manhwa so this will be the last time I'm wasting my time on it

@fumii blocked me.

but well the only one that matters is that TJIAN IS ENDGAME. But if saying all that bs makes you feel better fumii lol. l I still see you in the comments section crashing out lmfaooooooo. I would pity you but you did it to yourself.

Fumii is a stupid bitch who will block people she can’t argue against so don’t pay her any attention friend, she’s mad mad her little dipshit Josacked got absolutely no ending while TJIAN IS CANON fumii you stupic BITCH I LAUGH IN YOUR FACE everyday hehehehe

yunaa qurllll, I can't condone the harsh name calling (but you be you) but I agree with your assessment nevertheless lol. she def blocked me cause she's big mad.

Right, I also found it odd how he gave his confession with his eyes closed... like, more resigned than relieved. Blind love.

Or maybe Tj’s can’t imagine Ian saying those 3 words to him with Ian’s eyes open lol. In contrast to last chap, we have Ian admitted his love for Jo and wanted to keep doing it if he could with his eyes open and looking vulnerable to Jo.

I love that..his destination is not some places but becoming someone that can live in the future without fears, guilt holding him back...i always thought they can do anything or fight for everything as long as they willing to choose each other...but ian and jo taught me..sometimes love is sacrifice..love is letting your love go..and it's beautiful
Kudos for a nice insight

Beautifully written!!

Hol’up, where r these chps? It stops here at 94?

I honestly love that dyk gave them a selfless love contrast to Tj’s selfishness.

https://newtoki469.com/webtoon/56527498?toon=BL/GL

She plan this stuff like a beautiful puzzle that why it's hard to believe it's going to turns to toxic BL slop..like many people want it to be ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Honestly the contrast of Jo being selfless and being able to let go of Ian in order for him to heal VS TJ and the selfishness of keeping Ian tied to him regardless of any other wishes he would have IS part of the reason I believe we will be seeing the ending that we have been expecting This chapter just really kind of solidified it

I mean maybe she purposely made a lot of TJ and Ian moments in the past - people tend to get intrigued by what happened in the past so they definitely will focus on that while she is also busy making Jo and Ian falling in love slowly but surely in the present lol

IM SOBBINGGGGGG

Yeah i agree, i think it’s also important to note that Ian forgot to make a wish when he saw the meteor shower for the first time, something that only happens once every 20 years. People usually wish for something they believe is almost impossible and Ian missed that once in a lifetime chance that night.
But maybe the point is that Ian doesn’t actually need to wait for another meteor shower just to make a wish. What he’s been hoping for isn’t truly impossible. He can make it possible by choosing and working toward the things he really wants and hopes for. He just needs to believe that he is allowed to pursue them.

I really love this take, it was so well written.

I am curious what are your thoughts on this narration in the latest chapters

"however, the two of them chose to leave that possibility closed forever, never opening it.’

Because many people view this as the complete end of JoIan.

I really hope its not.

If they are really sure and confident like last chap about Ian’s destination, then they shouldn’t use the JoIan emotional moments and the narration to validate their ship.
My take on the narration, honestly I love it; it makes the JoIan emotional moments more special and bittersweet. Like I felt and relate to it, many readers also felt it, making that moment feel universal.
Also, their version of narration is incomplete.
They didn’t include this part:
“Why do some moments become eternal memories? Will it be chosen to become a memory?”
Like eternal is such a strong word to use those memories live forever / infinite with them. Also, the part “Will it be chosen to become a memory? This is actually a question for the characters, like it still depends on Jo and Ian’s choices whether those memories stay as memories or become something they continue to live.

Thank you for sharing, I never thought of it like that. I am feeling more hopeful now after reading your comment

Its might end sooner that we think...ok yearning arc...im ready

Jo telling Ian to not look back so that Ian’s resolve to move forward won’t crumble, just like in the last chapter when Ian was seemingly avoiding Jo’s gaze when explaining himself - If people still want to beg the notion that Jo had no impact on / importance for Ian then I’ve no clue

That's selfless love. One that Ian didn't knew existed or that he could be the recipient of such pure feelings. That's why it hurts so much. In such short time, pretty sure Ian could have imagined a future with Jo and wanted to look back but Jo wants what's best for him. It doesn't have to be with him. Ian can have whatever happy future he desires with whoever he decides. He's growing and healing. And he will count his own stars.

Still sad tho. But well.

Right! I don’t understand why it’s so impossible for them to believe that Ian can love someone new. Guys, this happens in real life. You don’t only love one person in your entire lifetime lol.

Yes yearning arc and Ian self journey arc plss

Yes both JoIan being selfless. Unlike someone else lol.
But what really matters right now is Ian choosing himself first. I know Ian will miss Jo he will keep it to his heart the only person that always chooses him. And who knows if Ian finally learns to love himself maybe he can finally say it to himself that he deserves the kind of love Jo gives him.

Remember their dialogue from today's chapter?Ian said "return" while Jo said "arrive"

Yes it also Jo’s dialogue with “do you finally found your destination” in chap. 97 and Ian said YES while looking at Jo with a sad smile.

It's make sense that Ian changed his mind after getting shot..the scene that he leave the house..ready to go..was so dramatic and some how he looks hopeful to me...them looking at the sky at the same time...sighhhh give my boiis a break!

I agree with what you said and I also think he cares for Jo but doesn’t it feel like he made a choice with his head and not with his heart ?

I mean he was able to make the right choice (=not endangering Jo) because he was not in love with him, even if he cares for Jo. I don’t mean to say he doesn’t like Jo, but I think he doesn’t like him enough to let TJ behind. TJ made an apparence in front of Ian and now Ian says he doesn’t want to go with Jo… what if some crap happened with the gang and TJ was not involved ? I think he would have still gone with Jo ?

Also why couldn’t he say Jo to wait for him (again) until he resolves some things and that it will be completely over after that and then they can be together.

I am not picking a fight I just want to discuss

And why he is not say .. he dont have feelings for jo after all these time they spend together i bet he know jo can accept that if that is what he want...i think it the best option just tell him that..he dont have the same feelings he dont even need to mention TJ..it's more reasonable..because it definitely stop Jo from chasing him...they can separated and just go their own way perfectly and beautifully dont you think?

and if this the EG reveals you're believe it is..it should finally his truth..because he is saying the same things to jo so many times just for Jo to said he just going to do what he want..and they comeback to each other again

Why don't he told Jo to wait until he resolved his problem with the gangs And they can go together?...i think because Ian know jo will not let him do that alone...last time Ian has to promise jo..he will go wih jo to the new place before going to see BT..and this time again...jo accept and let him go..(i dont remember last chapter they really part..or it just end with the rejection but they still at gas station) because he said he never go back to the past

They meant a lot to each other...i don't know why people always underestimate what they have for each other ...and if Ian care this much about jo but he love TJ more...i think it very cruel of him..if he should not to let Jo know that..

Well yeah that’s true he could just reject Jo’s feelings. That would be better for Jo too. I don’t understand Ian

So you think he tricked Jo and he will come back later? But saying “I don’t deserve you/I don’t want to hurt you” has never stopped Joseph either (which is the reason Ian says he can’t go with Joseph).
Then I think that if he wanted to resolve things before leaving with Jo, he wouldn’t want to make Jo wait for him and instead go get Jo himself instead for once. I could see that. But making Jo understand that he is not his destination feels contradictory with Ian coming back to Jo later.

I guess we can only wait and see

I don’t want to underestimate their relationship, it’s just that Ian and TJ relationship is so entangled that I don’t know how Ian could leave while knowing TJ needs/wants him.

But Jo definitely allowed Ian to see other ways of living, something Ian both find unsettling and pleasing.

As of now I mainly remember the moment he regrets not doing something for Jo : buying him flowers and saying he will be back later. I interpreted that as not being sufficiently (romantically) involved with Jo but maybe it’s only because he is not used to this or don’t want to make promises he won’t keep

Yeah I thought so as well, I don’t get how some people can still undermine his importance to this point.
It’s natural that Ian’s self doubt and “I’m not good for you” dialogues (also him looking away from Jo iirc, maybe noteworthy as to him not wanting to lose his resolve if they met eyes in that moment?) would make yet another comeback due to what had happened, clouding his judgement in the very last minute.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see which way this goes

You don’t go to someone when you’re in pain and bleeding if you don’t actually love that person. Ian could have simply answered Joseph’s call and told him he wasn’t going or said everything he needed to say over the phone or even texted him or completely ghosted him.
So why would Ian go that far for someone if he truly felt indifferent?
It’s not about being “nice,” because even though he said it face to face, it still broke Joseph’s heart. Ian desperately dragged his wounded body there because he wanted to see Joseph one last time before letting him go. That’s why he said, “This is my only chance to say this after today.” Ian had already decided that, for Joseph’s safety and future, he needed to disappear from his life.
He thought he had already resolved the problems from his past
/the gang after talking with Big Teddy. That’s why he first called Joseph and then packed his things. But while he was on the way, TJ and Jaime appeared. Just when Ian was finally trying to leave his past and darkness behind, they showed up again, blocking his path to his destination.
Imagine if Ian had reached the gas station earlier and TJ or Jaime suddenly appeared while Joseph was there. He would have been caught up in his past and darkness all over again. And what if it had actually been Joseph who got shot instead?
This moment directly mirrors Ian’s own monologue about Joseph: “Someone like me being by his side would only end up hurting him.” His worst fear causing Joseph harm was now happening right in front of him, almost a certainty.

I honestly thought he was going to leave with Jo but decided not too after what happened with TJ and Jamie.
I am not saying and did not say he is indifferent to Jo, but that he is not in love with him.
In my opinion he wanted to “reject” him properly (quote because he never said he didn’t like him, only he that he would not / can’t go with him) and that’s why he went to the gas station. Why go to such length ? Because he promised to meet there and he likes Jo, he wants to respect his feelings and not be a complete douche by texting him “I can’t go with you”. Especially if it is for a final goodbye. What a horrible way to end a relationship by not showing up and texting instead even though they promised to meet.

Also Jo wouldn’t have been shot because the shot was directed at TJ, Ian got shot only because he protected TJ.

I agree that Ian doesn’t want Jo to change for the worst nor want him to get hurt, but he doesn’t need to be in love with Jo to want that for Jo. He likes Jo but not to the length he would leave everything behind. It doesn’t seem hard to just go far away and not be bothered by the gang anymore (especially now that everyone is dead).

However not feeling deserving of Jo’s love I can understand.

I don't think Ian tricked jo...to just coming back later... he is decided to not allow jo to get involved..its not about just the gang (only me thinking he already handles that with whatever he doing with BT last time ) Ian think he is someone not worthy to Jo ..too dangerous too broken..too dirty so it's the best thing to do, they will go separate ways...and he is not coming back...

Jo is not his destination...i think he choose to go somewhere else...to be alone, so he can't be a treat to anybody

I don't think TJ is Ian's destination because...he should have said so..if this the last goodbye that he think it is...his true feelings..Jo at least deserves to know thats

...i dont see people talk much about this..but this time Ian will be able to leave TJ...because paying his last debt with the gunshots...and TJ is getting caught with the police and if he going to jail for real Ian will be able to go as he pleases...but if not and TJ is in his ways again we will see his true feelings...i think he still didn't answer TJ confessions

Ian is definitely not used to jo...jo's presence is something he never experience before...and it's is something he want to protect deeply...(Toby said that not me )

Making Jo wait for 3 days because he needed to finish some business and then dumping him is evil of Ian I was sure he would leave with Jo (⊙…⊙ )

About TJ I am not sure he is going to jail because the police officier said something like “thanks to you my daughter is all better”. Or he is going to jail for something like 2 years just like Ian maybe ? I don’t know

Yeah it’s really sad to see Ian not being able to live a simple life ╥﹏╥

waiting just 3 days it's not that big a deal...maybe like sunchaser said in the beginning Ian change his mind because he is getting shot and decided its too dangerous ...its can be both ways

About TJ ..for me it sound like the police officier is mocking him like he bribed them...but they come and get his ass just the time he walk away from power...and he laughing at himseft because fate is play him once more...its just my speculate tho pls dont get it to heart...

and Ian my poor baby...its even sadder..because simple life might be too luxury..he just need a life that not put him on survival mode all the time...he is not looking good right now mentaly, physically

if TJ really go to jail...do you think its better redemtion for him than he just realized he want Ian? do you think he should pay for his consequences?

Ooh right for TJ ! That’s probably the police officier mocking him ╥﹏╥

Yes when it was peaceful around him he felt so on edge like that wasn’t right

In my opinion, him going into jail is a consequence of his mafia activity. I don’t see it as a « punishment for what he did to Ian ».
Ian is the one he needs to be forgiven by, but it would feel good from my point of view if he realized and admitted that what he did was real bad.

Since I am team TJ and that I like their overly codependent relationship I don’t mind if Ian forgives him out of love and without TJ doing anything special.

The fact that Ian gave Jo all the reasons why he can’t go with him shows his emotional vulnerability, as he expressed his fears and the potential consequences if he were to live in Jo’s world which is why he also mentioned Jo’s family and future. I think he also lowkey giving him hints: “This is the last chance I can say this after today” and “I won’t return to the past.” If Jo truly understands Ian he will realize what Ian’s unspoken feelings that he couldn’t bring himself to ask or say to him. Honestly, it’s now up to Jo to decide whether he is truly willing to give up everything for Ian and choose to go with him.

Yesss thisss... my boy..no more hesitation!! Im dies on this hill too..even though i been on so many hill already lol

It's amazing that people both can see Ian + TJ relationships is codependent relationships...or me see it's as a trauma bonding lol...dyk is pretty good for this..but please no more love triangles..im begging (￣ε(#￣)Σ

Actually, Jo never hesitated. The problem is that Ian keeps putting Jo on a pedestal and won’t allow him to act on his own choices. It’s understandable because of Ian’s trauma, guilt and fear. But by doing this, he is denying Jo’s agency and deciding what he thinks is right or best for Jo’s life.
This behavior is actually very familiar right? lol even though Ian’s intentions are the opposite of TJ’s and he is trying to let Jo go, he is still controlling the decision in a different way. I just hope that this time Ian will accept whatever choice Joseph decides to make.

But it’s also Ian’s choice not to want Jo and his family to be in danger… even if Jo is willing to give up everything for Ian, that’s not what Ian wants. Jo already made his decisions and choices in pursuing Ian even knowing Ian’s background. He said it himself, that he did what he did because he wanted to.

Jo previously had said to Ian that he was scared of something that didn’t even happen yet, but now it has, and Ian doesn’t want Jo to be any more involved in the gang’s mess that he has already been.

I’m not sure that being together is Jo’s choice to make. Ian said he can’t stay with Jo because he doesn’t want Jo to be in danger. Staying with Jo and Jo being 100% safe are not compatible in Ian’s mind. Maybe Ian would like to stay with Jo, but he doesn’t want to harm Jo more than he wants to be with him.

Because Ian is idealizing Jo, he sees him as someone pure and good, someone he believes he doesn’t deserve and someone who shouldn’t be stained by him or his past. So he tries to protect Jo by pushing him away. But the real Jo is someone who is willing to lose that purity and face the consequences just to be with Ian.
Ian needs to stop idealizing Jo and start seeing him as a person who is willingly choosing him with full awareness of the consequences. He should allow someone to love him despite his flaws and darkness.
As I mentioned before, Ian has an internal conflict when it comes to Jo. There is a constant tug of war between Ian’s desire to be with Jo and his guilt, trauma and fear. Now he is facing the source of that internal conflict and has finally admitted those fears to Jo which is why he says he can’t go with him.
But after hearing all of that, Jo should still have the right to make his own decision. If Jo chooses to give up everything like his family, friends and his normal life just to be with Ian, then it becomes Ian’s choice whether he will accept that or not.
In the end, a relationship should be decided by both people not just one person making the decision for the other.