I'm sorry, but while I agree that victims of rape might better understand this type of fetish due to how broken their minds are, I believe this author has serious psychological issues. They enjoy dehumanizing their characters. The question is, why? Every art form has the right to express itself in its own way, but I would expect the author to have given the MC his revenge away from the ML. It is possible to fall in love with your aggressor, but not with the person who commits a gang rape on you. This is the first time, and I've seen so many dark mangas where I believe a boundary has been crossed.
the story hasn’t even progressed to that point, what are you talking about genuinely. Even if it did, it’s a work of fiction. Clearly shoves the warning in ur face before certain chapters. No one is coming to read this manhwa to get advice. They read to be entertained. Seriously man, shove it up ur butt and go about your day.
the story hasn’t even progressed to that point, what are you talking about genuinely. Even if it did, it’s a work of fiction. Clearly shoves the warning in ur face before certain chapters. No one is coming ... eggman
Then shove their opinion up ur butt and go away too if you don’t like theirs? Tf why do the people who enjoy dehumanizing and fetishizing men (especially with this author, 3 in a row) are so offended when called out. Literally you guys are the reason yaoi is 95% just rape and abuse. Just entirely glorifying rape and its supposed to be fine because it’s just “fictional men”
the story hasn’t even progressed to that point, what are you talking about genuinely. Even if it did, it’s a work of fiction. Clearly shoves the warning in ur face before certain chapters. No one is coming ... eggman
To each their own. I think we should just ignore if something someone says doesn’t align with their view on the story. Unless they’re sending death threats to author over this. People are allowed to express disgust over something they consume. However, OP shouldn’t be trying to say this is what author is like or whatever. I have written pretty horrific fan fictions (well, original works) and I’m completely typical in real life. I’m not “-abnormal”.
I agree with both. I try to lol. Don’t wanna argue with anyone, I can try and see the validity in each.
I suggest you don’t read it. I don’t want to be one of those “don’t like? Don’t read” because I don’t even apply that to myself. But truly it’s best for sanity if you avoid these kinds of stories. Why? Because I wish I could take my own advice, but morbid curiosity is a thing. I have learned to deal with it and move on if I see something like this.
Some people can’t handle it and it’s okay. And it’s alright to express distaste over it. I just wouldn’t try to diagnose author with issues. I have written equally horrific things as author, if not worse, and you wouldn’t believe I wrote those, if seen me in real life. I have no psychological or mental issues, what I write doesn’t apply to my reality.
Then shove their opinion up ur butt and go away too if you don’t like theirs? Tf why do the people who enjoy dehumanizing and fetishizing men (especially with this author, 3 in a row) are so offended when cal... Uho
3 in a row? I really hope you're not confusing the author from Sadistic beauty with the author of Revenge, cuz they're completely 2 different people! The ARTIST is the same, but not the AUTHOR!
It's okay to call story names, but you can't say author has psychological issues, people can write dark stories doesnt mean they are mentally ill, people have imagination okay?
It's okay to call story names, but you can't say author has psychological issues, people can write dark stories doesnt mean they are mentally ill, people have imagination okay? Mongrel
no, i fear imagination doesnt go to the extent of drawing and making a novel about rape, and that being the only fucking thing in the story, rape without plot should be the name of this bullshit and ur a sick fucker for defending it.
no, i fear imagination doesnt go to the extent of drawing and making a novel about rape, and that being the only fucking thing in the story, rape without plot should be the name of this bullshit and ur a sick f... kosii
Nobody defended the story it's sick , but saying author mind is broken is too rude.
For your mental health drop this. This author is so fucked up they put scenes that the own readers gave so much backlash it had to be removed from the edited novel. They are insane, they lowkey ero guro level of broken or worse.
I suggest you don’t read it. I don’t want to be one of those “don’t like? Don’t read” because I don’t even apply that to myself. But truly it’s best for sanity if you avoid these kinds of storie... Yeialo
Reality always influences what we produce, our ideas dont come from a vacuo when we are inserted in a society. Does not mean you have a mental issue tho. But fiction is a product of reality and exist inside it.
Reality always influences what we produce, our ideas dont come from a vacuo when we are inserted in a society. Does not mean you have a mental issue tho. But fiction is a product of reality and exist inside it. Kaworu
Based on studies of media affecting teens and older, it’s usually people that already have mental issues that commit crimes from seeing fictional works. It’s like a snapping point for them. Reality produces fictional work, you're right. If you have a healthy mind in a healthy environment while reading, you aren’t going to be thinking of hurting and doing the same as fiction shows. At least not a high ratio of it compared to those who already have mental issues from outer factors. I do agree that it will make anyone feel queasy and disgusted by it, and thats valid.
For your mental health drop this. This author is so fucked up they put scenes that the own readers gave so much backlash it had to be removed from the edited novel. They are insane, they lowkey ero guro level o... Kaworu
The novel is graphic. The guro I read NEVER AGAIN. I don’t think I felt as queasy as reading guro like Mai’s daily life etc. But this one still made me queasy too, especially the gang rape part and novel’s more detailed abuse.
I agree, drop it for the sake of mental health. Not everyone will be able to endure reading such. I haven’t re read it because I can’t.
Reality always influences what we produce, our ideas dont come from a vacuo when we are inserted in a society. Does not mean you have a mental issue tho. But fiction is a product of reality and exist inside it. Kaworu
Ew jeez I sound like the type to say ‘actually’. Also I wasn’t disagreeing with you to be clear.
I was just adding info for general, that fiction can influence how someone acts in real life, but the percentage is high end with those who already have mental issues. It’s less likely to cause mental issues from reading it, but may worsen it if yknow, you have that issue already.
Reality always influences what we produce, our ideas dont come from a vacuo when we are inserted in a society. Does not mean you have a mental issue tho. But fiction is a product of reality and exist inside it. Kaworu
Makes you think about what it took for people to write GURO.
Based on studies of media affecting teens and older, it’s usually people that already have mental issues that commit crimes from seeing fictional works. It’s like a snapping point for them. Reality produces... Yeialo
No media will make you commit a crime. What media does is banalize stuff and normalize. Take japan for example, it has a whole industry of lolishota. What happens is this industry is a reflex of the country history towards sa against children, japan only banned the possession of csam in 2014 and even nowadays for example the author of samurai x was caught with so much csam material that people thought he was comercializing it, he did not get in jail and he got tributes at shounen jump for him manga right after. Lolishota will not make someone a ped, the people reading most likely already are. What it does is making it less shocking to the whole society by exposition, that is also the case of how sa against women is treated like a gag in anime and how sa is insanely underreported there and not taken seriously. It reflects the old society actions and perpetuate it to the future when the next generation consumes it. That ia why even political regimes would use charges or comics to make their propaganda cause it has real life effects. Captain America was born like this, the nazis made caricatures in charges towards the jews, usa used to have black face on comedy drawings .
The novel is graphic. The guro I read NEVER AGAIN. I don’t think I felt as queasy as reading guro like Mai’s daily life etc. But this one still made me queasy too, especially the gang rape part and novel’... Yeialo
I think the worst for me was the dog chapter... like???
Makes you think about what it took for people to write GURO.I have a topic on this about finding guro stories, left me unsettled for sure. I’m stable but kind of hard to get it off mind. https://www.mangago.m... Yeialo
Well considering humans did everything and worse of what happens in ero guro irl I cannot be surprised that Japan came up with it when there are literal hentais of real life brutal rape cases.
Ew jeez I sound like the type to say ‘actually’. Also I wasn’t disagreeing with you to be clear. I was just adding info for general, that fiction can influence how someone acts in real life, but the perc... Yeialo
Thank you for your comment. I see you read what I wrote and approached it from a mature perspective. I can only assume you have a certain age and/or knowledge like mine to hold that opinion. Indeed, our imagination does not come from a vacuum. And for the record, I was not trying to speak badly about the artist at all. I was analyzing their art. I believe this portrayal should carry some meaning, like in the “Married Man” (I believe that's the name), which is one of the most brutal mangas out there, and one I love. I love it because it portrays a lot of things, a serious one that many of us could relate to.
No media will make you commit a crime. What media does is banalize stuff and normalize. Take japan for example, it has a whole industry of lolishota. What happens is this industry is a reflex of the country his... Kaworu
That makes sense. And yes, I was trying to say something like that. Of course media wouldn’t MAKE anyone do anything, but it tries to normalize it. OMG you’re right, the SA is treated like a whole ‘oh anyways’ in anime. If I remember right there was also some anime con or something where a few guys had lolis table, presenting and something. The whole overlooking-it-culture is an issue.
Well considering humans did everything and worse of what happens in ero guro irl I cannot be surprised that Japan came up with it when there are literal hentais of real life brutal rape cases. Kaworu
It's okay to call story names, but you can't say author has psychological issues, people can write dark stories doesnt mean they are mentally ill, people have imagination okay? Mongrel
I did not say the author “has.” I said I “believe.” There is a difference between them. In the first, you are stating a fact; I know they indeed have it. In the second, I'm sharing my opinion, which might not be true. If what I said came across as mean, I apologize; that was not my intent at all.
Thank you for your comment. I see you read what I wrote and approached it from a mature perspective. I can only assume you have a certain age and/or knowledge like mine to hold that opinion. Indeed, our imagina... Chacha221022
Oh yeah no, I understand! I’m tired of random rape being thrown in and the whole story gets ruined. They don’t even try and just overlook what happened, and we are supposed to ignore it too?
Unsure if I said the title right but one example is Written under the Stars. The glazed over part was wild. And the lack of consequences shown.
Also, you might’ve meant to reply to Kaworu I don’t remember if I mentioned imagination coming from vacuum. I’m lost in the sea of notifications and comments back and forth.
Yeah, I also think it’s Married Man or Missing Love, both. It was just sad and the way author focused on his expressions, backstory and just the way Geon (if I said name right) looked lifeless and dealing with all those rapists…it wasn’t overlooked or forgotten. Author wrote it sentimentally.
I just remember shedding a tear towards the end. So glad Wooyeon was there for him. No matter what.
That makes sense. And yes, I was trying to say something like that. Of course media wouldn’t MAKE anyone do anything, but it tries to normalize it. OMG you’re right, the SA is treated like a whole ‘oh any... Yeialo
Yeah, it is a direct reflex of japanese culture and the reality of children and women. Media just helps banalizing it more to make it less shocking by instruments like humor hence why anime uses it so much like a gag, the classic "perv funny character ". If you show something that is serious in a non serious way a lot to an young audience it makes them not look at it in a serious way anymore, that is also why speacially young males joke so much about peds and rape (Epstain jokes for ex), this is part of how rape culture continues to live in this world. I think there are already studies about how memes operate on this field.
And there is something that makes rape the most difficult crime to make being taken seriously, it is that rape is too close to sex. There is too much room to make it look arousing to a point rape is considered a porn subgenre.
That makes sense. And yes, I was trying to say something like that. Of course media wouldn’t MAKE anyone do anything, but it tries to normalize it. OMG you’re right, the SA is treated like a whole ‘oh any... Yeialo
And it is so bad cause rape ia the most difficult crime to prove speacially towards children, cause children most of the time dont know what rape is. Even adult women have issues with knowing they were sa'd. And we have whole politicians saying "If rape is inevitable just relax and enjoy" So when people say "oh but everyone knows that rape is bad irl guys" I just find it interesting cause rape is the most non taken seriously crime to a point it is considered a porn subgenre.
Yeah, it is a direct reflex of japanese culture and the reality of children and women. Media just helps banalizing it more to make it less shocking by instruments like humor hence why anime uses it so much like... Kaworu
Just to be clear, I’m a guy and not very clear on a lot of these topics as you are. Not in depth but I I have recognized a lot of issues. I only have sisters, and we are from a culture that does out filial piety on duaghters mostly or only them. I have seen my sisters go through it all, I tend to focus on misogyny for that reason. You reminded me that guys also get harmed by patriarchy, and to be Frank a lot of men overlook it. I never really put myself in that perspective, even if I might have been apart of it. Patriarchy does affect everyone.
Yeah, it is a direct reflex of japanese culture and the reality of children and women. Media just helps banalizing it more to make it less shocking by instruments like humor hence why anime uses it so much like... Kaworu
Idk if I said the anime right but I didn’t watch Dandadan for a reason. Especially the hot spring part. And the MC’s dick part in beginning. A lot of guys tend to joke it off. When a guy is assaulted sexually by a woman, some guys joke about wanting it or how they’re okay if it happened to them.
And it is so bad cause rape ia the most difficult crime to prove speacially towards children, cause children most of the time dont know what rape is. Even adult women have issues with knowing they were sa'd. An... Kaworu
I confirm. It’s on every hentai site. The rape subgenre It’s desensitized to many people.
That makes sense. And yes, I was trying to say something like that. Of course media wouldn’t MAKE anyone do anything, but it tries to normalize it. OMG you’re right, the SA is treated like a whole ‘oh any... Yeialo
And the whole "funny pervy character " trope... like?? Omg
no, i fear imagination doesnt go to the extent of drawing and making a novel about rape, and that being the only fucking thing in the story, rape without plot should be the name of this bullshit and ur a sick f... kosii
Bless you. Where is the plot? Rape should never be the main story, it could be a plot device or a psychological thriller told from the victim's perspective to give people insight into how awful it is.
This isn't a story. It's just disgusting rape porn with no sense or direction.
“I agree that victims of rape might better understand this type of fetish due to how broken their minds are” ts is straight up crazy. I don’t know if this a language barrier issue but the insinuation that rape survivors are “mindbroken” or smth is a little strange.
Bless you. Where is the plot? Rape should never be the main story, it could be a plot device or a psychological thriller told from the victim's perspective to give people insight into how awful it is. This isn'... HornyforSylus
Oops sorry to interfere but lol your user. Sylas from that one game? Love deep space something. I never played it but I see it a lot.
“I agree that victims of rape might better understand this type of fetish due to how broken their minds are” ts is straight up crazy. I don’t know if this a language barrier issue but the insinuation that... NotJax
I was suggesting that I could understand because studies show that, in some cases, after experiencing SA, you might fall into a spiral of sorts. However, I never said it’s always the case, which is why I used the word “might.” Additionally, after sexual abuse, your mental state isn't at its best, and I speak from knowledge and experience.
I was suggesting that I could understand because studies show that, in some cases, after experiencing SA, you might fall into a spiral of sorts. However, I never said it’s always the case, which is why I used... Chacha221022
That’s not how I read it, seeing as the “might” is made redundant because it’s followed up by “how broken their minds are” which reads like you are making a huge generalization. But I’m choosing to take your word for it that wasn’t your intention. Not every rape survivor is the same, obviously. Many of them might feel triggered by eroticized sexual violence like Revenge, whereas some might find it comforting. I don’t see that as a sign of brokenness at all.
That’s not how I read it, seeing as the “might” is made redundant because it’s followed up by “how broken their minds are” which reads like you are making a huge generalization. But I’m choosing t... NotJax
Your interpretation reflects your appreciation of what I wrote, right? So, we could argue about semantics forever, but it ultimately depends on each person's perception. If you read about the effects of something as traumatic as gang rape on someone's nervous system, you'd see that I'm not criticizing anyone. My comment was simply sharing my thoughts after reading this manga so far, and yes, I stopped reading it because, in my very personal opinion—though that might not be true for everyone—I didn't find it worth continuing, which is why I explained in my first post. I didn't mean to offend anyone or start a dispute. I hope we can chat again soon about another topic
I suggest you don’t read it. I don’t want to be one of those “don’t like? Don’t read” because I don’t even apply that to myself. But truly it’s best for sanity if you avoid these kinds of storie... Yeialo
Thanks for your comment! I did not try to diagnose anyone. I said I “believe” as a personal opinion. This is a free online space where it would be beyond absurd to do that, but I understand why some people might think that was my intention. Once again (as I mentioned in another comment), that was not my goal at all. Wishing you a great rest of the weekend!
I did not say the author “has.” I said I “believe.” There is a difference between them. In the first, you are stating a fact; I know they indeed have it. In the second, I'm sharing my opinion, which mig... Chacha221022
it was my mistake not reading properly, but seeing many comments saying author is rapist , has psycological problems felt rude for me, i mean author did write this i am not saying this is good, but author unlike others did not romatise rape, he showed rape is rape , and after knowing why ML did that i dont think there is any romance so we should just read it like the sick stuff it is... if an author writes about murder doesnt mean they are... but maybe ...
And it is so bad cause rape ia the most difficult crime to prove speacially towards children, cause children most of the time dont know what rape is. Even adult women have issues with knowing they were sa'd. An... Kaworu
Indian? cause i recognise that "if rape is inevitable lie down and enjoy"... those fuckers are our "leaders."..
And it is so bad cause rape ia the most difficult crime to prove speacially towards children, cause children most of the time dont know what rape is. Even adult women have issues with knowing they were sa'd. An... Kaworu
and one more factor for rape is not considered seriously is that our body pshycal reaction, which makes people think they enjoyed it , but most dont understand psycological toll it takes when your body "enjoys" but mind rejects... that being said yeah rape is not considered bad because it is seen as mens right to have sex in most places...
it was my mistake not reading properly, but seeing many comments saying author is rapist , has psycological problems felt rude for me, i mean author did write this i am not saying this is good, but author unlik... Mongrel
True. But you see, I totally agree with what you're saying. What I don’t like is how the behavior of both the MC and the ML is portrayed after the event, as if nothing had happened. In my eyes, it’s as if it weren’t something worthy of visceral rejection from the MC. I know it’s a work of fiction, and the art takes all the liberties; it just doesn’t sit well with me. That’s all. Like, what is the purpose of portraying a rape scene this crudely if you won't give it the depth it also needs afterward?
Oh yeah no, I understand! I’m tired of random rape being thrown in and the whole story gets ruined. They don’t even try and just overlook what happened, and we are supposed to ignore it too? Unsure if I sai... Yeialo
I remember reading 'Married Man' and leaving a lengthy comment supporting the author at Bato (rest in peace). Even though it was extremely brutal, I could see the meaning and purpose behind it, and I believe it's important to depict the rawness of what being a sexual slave entails. The author wasn't afraid to show that. However, the author also gave the main character a purpose, a meaning to pursue, and a very clear picture of the numbness he carries with him to survive. For me, if I'm going to read something that graphic and traumatizing, I need to connect with the story and the humanity of it all, no matter how dark it might be. Unfortunately, in this story, aside from crudely portraying rape, I don't see any of that. Thanks for commenting. Have a great week!
True. But you see, I totally agree with what you're saying. What I don’t like is how the behavior of both the MC and the ML is portrayed after the event, as if nothing had happened. In my eyes, it’s as if i... Chacha221022
no i believe the novel did quite well in that aspect, especially mc thoughts during the gangrape , it was too much for me that i just stopped reading the novel, i did skip few chapters and read side stories (which i wish i never did) but yeah it was too real and painful, i dont think it was brushed off in novel...
Then shove their opinion up ur butt and go away too if you don’t like theirs? Tf why do the people who enjoy dehumanizing and fetishizing men (especially with this author, 3 in a row) are so offended when cal... Uho
Your interpretation reflects your appreciation of what I wrote, right? So, we could argue about semantics forever, but it ultimately depends on each person's perception. If you read about the effects of somethi... Chacha221022
Thanks for explaining your point further. I’m not here to debate you on what trauma does to a person. I was put off by the wording of your first comment and you explained it. My point is that people who survive rape and abuse are not fundamentally broken. I think it’s disingenuous to imply that I was trying to say that they aren’t trauma victims to begin with.
Thanks for explaining your point further. I’m not here to debate you on what trauma does to a person. I was put off by the wording of your first comment and you explained it. My point is that people who survi... NotJax
And here I thought I was trying to settle things... We are still getting lost in semantics. So, at least from my side, one last clarification: I'm not suggesting anything, nor am I trying to express my thoughts with anything less than honesty. If you felt I came across that way, I apologize for how it might have sounded to you, but how you interpreted it, I can't control, since our perceptions are up to us. I genuinely wish you a very good week
no i believe the novel did quite well in that aspect, especially mc thoughts during the gangrape , it was too much for me that i just stopped reading the novel, i did skip few chapters and read side stories (wh... Mongrel
Ohhh, cool. I didn't know that the novel was different. That is good. Have a great week!
And here I thought I was trying to settle things... We are still getting lost in semantics. So, at least from my side, one last clarification: I'm not suggesting anything, nor am I trying to express my thoughts... Chacha221022
Just to be clear, I’m a guy and not very clear on a lot of these topics as you are. Not in depth but I I have recognized a lot of issues. I only have sisters, and we are from a culture that does out filial pi... Yeialo
Sorry the site did not show your comments to me. Yes, I looked at your profile when I went to follow you and I saw that you are a male. But it is good to hear how you observe the misogyny that affects women. Idk if you are a queer man, but yes patriarchy affects every single minority, queer men speacially feminine ones are so dehymanized.
Idk if I said the anime right but I didn’t watch Dandadan for a reason. Especially the hot spring part. And the MC’s dick part in beginning. A lot of guys tend to joke it off. When a guy is assaulted sexual... Yeialo
Omg me too!! Like they are teens fot goddess sake bro, they never get tired of making teens getting sa'd as a "comedy" or plot device. It is so tiresome. The guy being sa'd by a woman part, that happened a lot with Denji from chainsaw man. Like men saying how he was lucky and I see people tend to say to men things like "why didn't you fight it off ? You are stronger than a woman", but even if the guy is physically strong, people love to ignore how sa can make you paralyzed and another thing is that a lot of guys are groomed by the older males near them to think that is a "win" like a hot older woman touching them while they are a teenager. In my country older men in some regions take teens to red district as a "birthday gift" it is disgusting. People also act like "got hard, wet, came = no rape cause you liked it"
and one more factor for rape is not considered seriously is that our body pshycal reaction, which makes people think they enjoyed it , but most dont understand psycological toll it takes when your body "enjoys"... Mongrel
Yes, I literally see so many comments on yaoi section saying how the bottom was not raped cause they got hard and came. That is BIOLOGY bro wtf? And the body is actually trying to protect you, the more tense you get the more the body will get hurt, but cause of this discourse rape victims think their body "betrayed them". No, bae it is trying to protect you so it minimizes the physical damage.
Oops sorry to interfere but lol your user. Sylas from that one game? Love deep space something. I never played it but I see it a lot. Yeialo
Yes. It's Sylus from Love and Deep Space. You should only play it if you have tons of self control. The game has bankrupted people. It's really good but life is all about moderation. Still, it's something to experience.
I'm sorry, but while I agree that victims of rape might better understand this type of fetish due to how broken their minds are, I believe this author has serious psychological issues. They enjoy dehumanizing their characters. The question is, why? Every art form has the right to express itself in its own way, but I would expect the author to have given the MC his revenge away from the ML. It is possible to fall in love with your aggressor, but not with the person who commits a gang rape on you. This is the first time, and I've seen so many dark mangas where I believe a boundary has been crossed.
the story hasn’t even progressed to that point, what are you talking about genuinely. Even if it did, it’s a work of fiction. Clearly shoves the warning in ur face before certain chapters. No one is coming to read this manhwa to get advice. They read to be entertained. Seriously man, shove it up ur butt and go about your day.
Then shove their opinion up ur butt and go away too if you don’t like theirs? Tf why do the people who enjoy dehumanizing and fetishizing men (especially with this author, 3 in a row) are so offended when called out. Literally you guys are the reason yaoi is 95% just rape and abuse. Just entirely glorifying rape and its supposed to be fine because it’s just “fictional men”
To each their own. I think we should just ignore if something someone says doesn’t align with their view on the story. Unless they’re sending death threats to author over this. People are allowed to express disgust over something they consume. However, OP shouldn’t be trying to say this is what author is like or whatever. I have written pretty horrific fan fictions (well, original works) and I’m completely typical in real life. I’m not “-abnormal”.
I agree with both. I try to lol. Don’t wanna argue with anyone, I can try and see the validity in each.
I suggest you don’t read it. I don’t want to be one of those “don’t like? Don’t read” because I don’t even apply that to myself. But truly it’s best for sanity if you avoid these kinds of stories. Why? Because I wish I could take my own advice, but morbid curiosity is a thing. I have learned to deal with it and move on if I see something like this.
Some people can’t handle it and it’s okay. And it’s alright to express distaste over it. I just wouldn’t try to diagnose author with issues. I have written equally horrific things as author, if not worse, and you wouldn’t believe I wrote those, if seen me in real life. I have no psychological or mental issues, what I write doesn’t apply to my reality.
But I get your concern, don’t get me wrong.
3 in a row? I really hope you're not confusing the author from Sadistic beauty with the author of Revenge, cuz they're completely 2 different people! The ARTIST is the same, but not the AUTHOR!
It's okay to call story names, but you can't say author has psychological issues, people can write dark stories doesnt mean they are mentally ill, people have imagination okay?
no, i fear imagination doesnt go to the extent of drawing and making a novel about rape, and that being the only fucking thing in the story, rape without plot should be the name of this bullshit and ur a sick fucker for defending it.
Nobody defended the story it's sick , but saying author mind is broken is too rude.
For your mental health drop this. This author is so fucked up they put scenes that the own readers gave so much backlash it had to be removed from the edited novel. They are insane, they lowkey ero guro level of broken or worse.
Reality always influences what we produce, our ideas dont come from a vacuo when we are inserted in a society. Does not mean you have a mental issue tho. But fiction is a product of reality and exist inside it.
Based on studies of media affecting teens and older, it’s usually people that already have mental issues that commit crimes from seeing fictional works. It’s like a snapping point for them. Reality produces fictional work, you're right. If you have a healthy mind in a healthy environment while reading, you aren’t going to be thinking of hurting and doing the same as fiction shows. At least not a high ratio of it compared to those who already have mental issues from outer factors. I do agree that it will make anyone feel queasy and disgusted by it, and thats valid.
The novel is graphic. The guro I read NEVER AGAIN. I don’t think I felt as queasy as reading guro like Mai’s daily life etc. But this one still made me queasy too, especially the gang rape part and novel’s more detailed abuse.
I agree, drop it for the sake of mental health.
Not everyone will be able to endure reading such.
I haven’t re read it because I can’t.
Ew jeez I sound like the type to say ‘actually’.
Also I wasn’t disagreeing with you to be clear.
I was just adding info for general, that fiction can influence how someone acts in real life, but the percentage is high end with those who already have mental issues. It’s less likely to cause mental issues from reading it, but may worsen it if yknow, you have that issue already.
Makes you think about what it took for people to write GURO.
I have a topic on this about finding guro stories, left me unsettled for sure. I’m stable but kind of hard to get it off mind. https://www.mangago.me/thing/about/909214/?filter=date#about_909216
No media will make you commit a crime. What media does is banalize stuff and normalize. Take japan for example, it has a whole industry of lolishota. What happens is this industry is a reflex of the country history towards sa against children, japan only banned the possession of csam in 2014 and even nowadays for example the author of samurai x was caught with so much csam material that people thought he was comercializing it, he did not get in jail and he got tributes at shounen jump for him manga right after. Lolishota will not make someone a ped, the people reading most likely already are. What it does is making it less shocking to the whole society by exposition, that is also the case of how sa against women is treated like a gag in anime and how sa is insanely underreported there and not taken seriously. It reflects the old society actions and perpetuate it to the future when the next generation consumes it. That ia why even political regimes would use charges or comics to make their propaganda cause it has real life effects. Captain America was born like this, the nazis made caricatures in charges towards the jews, usa used to have black face on comedy drawings .
I think the worst for me was the dog chapter... like???
Well considering humans did everything and worse of what happens in ero guro irl I cannot be surprised that Japan came up with it when there are literal hentais of real life brutal rape cases.
Thank you for your comment. I see you read what I wrote and approached it from a mature perspective. I can only assume you have a certain age and/or knowledge like mine to hold that opinion. Indeed, our imagination does not come from a vacuum. And for the record, I was not trying to speak badly about the artist at all. I was analyzing their art. I believe this portrayal should carry some meaning, like in the “Married Man” (I believe that's the name), which is one of the most brutal mangas out there, and one I love. I love it because it portrays a lot of things, a serious one that many of us could relate to.
That makes sense. And yes, I was trying to say something like that. Of course media wouldn’t MAKE anyone do anything, but it tries to normalize it. OMG you’re right, the SA is treated like a whole ‘oh anyways’ in anime. If I remember right there was also some anime con or something where a few guys had lolis table, presenting and something. The whole overlooking-it-culture is an issue.
I didn’t even finish and left
Unit 7…
I did not say the author “has.” I said I “believe.” There is a difference between them. In the first, you are stating a fact; I know they indeed have it. In the second, I'm sharing my opinion, which might not be true. If what I said came across as mean, I apologize; that was not my intent at all.
Oh yeah no, I understand! I’m tired of random rape being thrown in and the whole story gets ruined. They don’t even try and just overlook what happened, and we are supposed to ignore it too?
Unsure if I said the title right but one example is Written under the Stars. The glazed over part was wild. And the lack of consequences shown.
Also, you might’ve meant to reply to Kaworu I don’t remember if I mentioned imagination coming from vacuum. I’m lost in the sea of notifications and comments back and forth.
Yeah, I also think it’s Married Man or Missing Love, both. It was just sad and the way author focused on his expressions, backstory and just the way Geon (if I said name right) looked lifeless and dealing with all those rapists…it wasn’t overlooked or forgotten. Author wrote it sentimentally.
I just remember shedding a tear towards the end.
So glad Wooyeon was there for him. No matter what.
Yeah, it is a direct reflex of japanese culture and the reality of children and women. Media just helps banalizing it more to make it less shocking by instruments like humor hence why anime uses it so much like a gag, the classic "perv funny character ". If you show something that is serious in a non serious way a lot to an young audience it makes them not look at it in a serious way anymore, that is also why speacially young males joke so much about peds and rape (Epstain jokes for ex), this is part of how rape culture continues to live in this world. I think there are already studies about how memes operate on this field.
And there is something that makes rape the most difficult crime to make being taken seriously, it is that rape is too close to sex. There is too much room to make it look arousing to a point rape is considered a porn subgenre.
And it is so bad cause rape ia the most difficult crime to prove speacially towards children, cause children most of the time dont know what rape is. Even adult women have issues with knowing they were sa'd. And we have whole politicians saying "If rape is inevitable just relax and enjoy" So when people say "oh but everyone knows that rape is bad irl guys" I just find it interesting cause rape is the most non taken seriously crime to a point it is considered a porn subgenre.
Just to be clear, I’m a guy and not very clear on a lot of these topics as you are. Not in depth but I I have recognized a lot of issues. I only have sisters, and we are from a culture that does out filial piety on duaghters mostly or only them. I have seen my sisters go through it all, I tend to focus on misogyny for that reason. You reminded me that guys also get harmed by patriarchy, and to be Frank a lot of men overlook it. I never really put myself in that perspective, even if I might have been apart of it. Patriarchy does affect everyone.
Idk if I said the anime right but I didn’t watch Dandadan for a reason. Especially the hot spring part. And the MC’s dick part in beginning. A lot of guys tend to joke it off. When a guy is assaulted sexually by a woman, some guys joke about wanting it or how they’re okay if it happened to them.
I confirm. It’s on every hentai site. The rape subgenre
It’s desensitized to many people.
And the whole "funny pervy character " trope... like?? Omg
Funny and pervert don’t belong in the same sentence.
I am a pervert but I am not funny nor do I gloat about it.
Bless you. Where is the plot? Rape should never be the main story, it could be a plot device or a psychological thriller told from the victim's perspective to give people insight into how awful it is.
This isn't a story. It's just disgusting rape porn with no sense or direction.
“I agree that victims of rape might better understand this type of fetish due to how broken their minds are” ts is straight up crazy. I don’t know if this a language barrier issue but the insinuation that rape survivors are “mindbroken” or smth is a little strange.
Oops sorry to interfere but lol your user. Sylas from that one game? Love deep space something. I never played it but I see it a lot.
I was suggesting that I could understand because studies show that, in some cases, after experiencing SA, you might fall into a spiral of sorts. However, I never said it’s always the case, which is why I used the word “might.” Additionally, after sexual abuse, your mental state isn't at its best, and I speak from knowledge and experience.
That’s not how I read it, seeing as the “might” is made redundant because it’s followed up by “how broken their minds are” which reads like you are making a huge generalization. But I’m choosing to take your word for it that wasn’t your intention. Not every rape survivor is the same, obviously. Many of them might feel triggered by eroticized sexual violence like Revenge, whereas some might find it comforting. I don’t see that as a sign of brokenness at all.
Your interpretation reflects your appreciation of what I wrote, right? So, we could argue about semantics forever, but it ultimately depends on each person's perception. If you read about the effects of something as traumatic as gang rape on someone's nervous system, you'd see that I'm not criticizing anyone. My comment was simply sharing my thoughts after reading this manga so far, and yes, I stopped reading it because, in my very personal opinion—though that might not be true for everyone—I didn't find it worth continuing, which is why I explained in my first post. I didn't mean to offend anyone or start a dispute. I hope we can chat again soon about another topic
Thanks for your comment! I did not try to diagnose anyone. I said I “believe” as a personal opinion. This is a free online space where it would be beyond absurd to do that, but I understand why some people might think that was my intention. Once again (as I mentioned in another comment), that was not my goal at all. Wishing you a great rest of the weekend!
What?! Good thing I did the same. I hope you all have a great upcoming week!
it was my mistake not reading properly, but seeing many comments saying author is rapist , has psycological problems felt rude for me, i mean author did write this i am not saying this is good, but author unlike others did not romatise rape, he showed rape is rape , and after knowing why ML did that i dont think there is any romance so we should just read it like the sick stuff it is... if an author writes about murder doesnt mean they are... but maybe ...
Indian? cause i recognise that "if rape is inevitable lie down and enjoy"... those fuckers are our "leaders."..
and one more factor for rape is not considered seriously is that our body pshycal reaction, which makes people think they enjoyed it , but most dont understand psycological toll it takes when your body "enjoys" but mind rejects... that being said yeah rape is not considered bad because it is seen as mens right to have sex in most places...
True. But you see, I totally agree with what you're saying. What I don’t like is how the behavior of both the MC and the ML is portrayed after the event, as if nothing had happened. In my eyes, it’s as if it weren’t something worthy of visceral rejection from the MC. I know it’s a work of fiction, and the art takes all the liberties; it just doesn’t sit well with me. That’s all. Like, what is the purpose of portraying a rape scene this crudely if you won't give it the depth it also needs afterward?
I remember reading 'Married Man' and leaving a lengthy comment supporting the author at Bato (rest in peace). Even though it was extremely brutal, I could see the meaning and purpose behind it, and I believe it's important to depict the rawness of what being a sexual slave entails. The author wasn't afraid to show that. However, the author also gave the main character a purpose, a meaning to pursue, and a very clear picture of the numbness he carries with him to survive. For me, if I'm going to read something that graphic and traumatizing, I need to connect with the story and the humanity of it all, no matter how dark it might be. Unfortunately, in this story, aside from crudely portraying rape, I don't see any of that. Thanks for commenting. Have a great week!
no i believe the novel did quite well in that aspect, especially mc thoughts during the gangrape , it was too much for me that i just stopped reading the novel, i did skip few chapters and read side stories (which i wish i never did) but yeah it was too real and painful, i dont think it was brushed off in novel...
Idgaf about moids keep crying.
Thanks for explaining your point further. I’m not here to debate you on what trauma does to a person. I was put off by the wording of your first comment and you explained it. My point is that people who survive rape and abuse are not fundamentally broken. I think it’s disingenuous to imply that I was trying to say that they aren’t trauma victims to begin with.
And here I thought I was trying to settle things... We are still getting lost in semantics. So, at least from my side, one last clarification: I'm not suggesting anything, nor am I trying to express my thoughts with anything less than honesty. If you felt I came across that way, I apologize for how it might have sounded to you, but how you interpreted it, I can't control, since our perceptions are up to us. I genuinely wish you a very good week
Ohhh, cool. I didn't know that the novel was different. That is good.
Have a great week!
LOL ok I guess.
Sorry the site did not show your comments to me. Yes, I looked at your profile when I went to follow you and I saw that you are a male. But it is good to hear how you observe the misogyny that affects women. Idk if you are a queer man, but yes patriarchy affects every single minority, queer men speacially feminine ones are so dehymanized.
Omg me too!! Like they are teens fot goddess sake bro, they never get tired of making teens getting sa'd as a "comedy" or plot device. It is so tiresome. The guy being sa'd by a woman part, that happened a lot with Denji from chainsaw man. Like men saying how he was lucky and I see people tend to say to men things like "why didn't you fight it off ? You are stronger than a woman", but even if the guy is physically strong, people love to ignore how sa can make you paralyzed and another thing is that a lot of guys are groomed by the older males near them to think that is a "win" like a hot older woman touching them while they are a teenager. In my country older men in some regions take teens to red district as a "birthday gift" it is disgusting. People also act like "got hard, wet, came = no rape cause you liked it"
Good week for you too!
Yes, I literally see so many comments on yaoi section saying how the bottom was not raped cause they got hard and came. That is BIOLOGY bro wtf? And the body is actually trying to protect you, the more tense you get the more the body will get hurt, but cause of this discourse rape victims think their body "betrayed them". No, bae it is trying to protect you so it minimizes the physical damage.
It was an US politician on tv, I think, like it was freaking insane.
Yes. It's Sylus from Love and Deep Space. You should only play it if you have tons of self control. The game has bankrupted people. It's really good but life is all about moderation.
Still, it's something to experience.
An Indian politician also said the same thing , ig they are same everywhere...
You too have a great week... Or maybe have a great Month...