beastiekat's Topics (18)

The ending was ass, and he does NOT get actual repercussions for his actions. Guys, don't read this.

Jaekyung literally cried? Is that not enough repercussion for raping and verbally abusing and publicly humiliating dan? I think so. Look how sadly he wept.

Listen to yourself. Do you think your rapist crying is enough to excuse his horrible actions? No, it never will be. I really hope this is sarcastic.

Uhm only if my rapist is a tall masculine rich and famous. Then I can excuse him. We all would.

Don't say things like this even if it is a joke. (Because this is ragebaiter or dumbass talking.) It is so harmful to the community of SA victims.

y'all really need to start speaking for yourselves

For you it was ass, not for me. He was abused when he was a child, physically and mentally. He was starved, beaten, neglected, abandoned, not shown a shred of love from his parents. His lovers only wanted money, never loved him. If it weren't for the old man training and feeding him he would have died when he was a kid, how could all that not fuck someone up? He was never exposed to a single healthy example of what a loving relationship should be. He wasn't even aware that what he was doing to Dan was abuse until later on, when he realized and learned how much Dan suffered, he broke down completely. He never did these things to Dan to be evil, you could tell early on he had issues processing basic human emotions and couldn't understand shit. While this doesn't excuse what he did it definitely explains why he handled things the way he did. Even his obsession with being a champion was all tied to psychological trauma from his childhood.

Don't shove that shit down my throat if you know its not an excuse. The creator of Jinx knew ya'll would take his actions for granted if they made that sob story. You cannot say he didn't have a clue, he sure as hell did but he had no damns about it. Only when he realized that shit was the reason Dan left was when he started giving out his flowers. Lead on your viewers for 70+ chapters and have him chase for 20-30+? Messy and also did not fullfill any expectations from most readers. Why lead on to say its a decent story that was "rough" when it glorifies so many parts of rape and assault? If your rapist had a tough life would you fully forgive them? In many cases NO.

Trauma explains but it can NEVER excuse. He knew he was a jackass, but he never stopped until it actually started to bite him in the ass. I'd rather blame the Author than the character cause it was her conscious decision to make him be like that. A rapist and self-conceited fuck.

Firstly, You jumped into my comments pushing your agenda and opinion down my throat not the other way around. Don't confuse fact with fiction, This is fiction I'm not about to take it as seriously as I do real life issues by now I know how these writers are and how many of these stories go, lines are always blurred. The story literally shows when he realizes what he has done and how horrible it was, It shows when he starts to process these big boy emotions LOL. I myself said that the beginning of the story was rough and it is. I never once said that he was infallible. The lines of consent were definitely blurring but let's not forget that Dan consented to sex for compensation. I see you calling him a rapist but I don't see you calling Dan a prostitute... Anyway, My opinion is what it is and yours is what it is, That's not going to change so there's no point in going in circles and nipping at heels. I said what I said, that won't change

Wasn’t saying my word for anyone specifically, I was putting it there so that people could have a clue about what they were getting themselves into. What you shoved down my throat was his backstory instead of his conscious actions as an adult. Avoiding the obvious to protect this poorly executed Manhwa. Even taking out the rape, this isn’t even that good. Decent at best. You tell me abuse for 70+ and then it’s the weakest chasing arc?

What the fuck I had more to say, where did my writing go.

It's not projecting, I never once portrayed him as a character who could do no wrong. I clearly said that the beginning of the story was rough. Explaining the character's backstory is part of the narrative, that's not shoving something down your throat. You continue to try to argue me into not liking this anymore, but I enjoyed the character growth and I'm happy with the way it ended. You don't have to like that or approve. My main hope when I started reading this story was to see Dan happy. Hope achieved! So, we already established that you hate the story and wouldn't recommend it, cool. Anything else?

The only person who brought up projection was you.

Yes, explaining a characters backstory is apart of the narrative, but how was this executed? I'll say it again, THE GAP BETWEEN HIS STRUGGLE AND THE ABUSE HE CONTINUED AFTER ADULTHOOD. My point is, Minghwa had produced his backstory as a way to make the things he did, 'expected', or, redeemable even. What is shoving down peoples throats after all the 70+ chapter build up? Trauma, trauma, trauma. Oh yeah, his actions were a result of that, but now he has a shield to make it less horrible.

I said in my previous comment that he doesn't get actual repercussions, and thats true. What is the main point of him finally understanding? Tears, and thats all the hurt he'll manage physically for Dan. Just because he had a horrible childhood doesn't mean it'll get him a pass in hurting others.

This is for the previous comment that my reply somehow disappeared. How you treat fiction is how you'll treat real life. The indifference to actual issues such as rape, assault and abuse is a telling of what you'll feel IRL. Unconsciously or not.

Yeah, this story is a losing game and wasn't worth it! Anyone else who's reading this, know to not set expectations a little too high for comfort!

You might not be able to separate fiction from reality, but that sounds like a 'you' problem. It's wild that you think reading a story equals a full real world endorsement. Do you think people who read murder mysteries are committing crimes on the weekend? it's fiction. The moment I close the page, it's over. I promise you, real life and Manhwa aren't the same thing, take a breath.

I'm not sitting here going around in circles repeating myself. I already addressed everything, and I'm not saying it again. Do that what you will, lol.

> Do you think people who read murder mysteries are committing crimes on the weekend?<

There are statistics about that, yeah. I’m not saying you PERSONALLY shouldn’t read, but not knowing when to draw the line morally in intense storytelling talks for itself! If you can’t understand that these topics are dependent on actual reality and stems from it, then that’s actually a YOU problem.

Jinx, I firmly believe, may be one of the reasons BL has so many rape apologists. It might not be the start, but it will be a cornerstone in endorsing unhealthy and dangerous mentality’s. Specifically, the promotion of trauma inducing relationships that hide behind a happy ending. Do with what you will, it doesn’t seem that you get it.

I can explain a character's trauma or motivation without believing their actions are acceptable. Me explaining his back story is basic literary analysis, not a moral stamp of approval, and understanding why a character is toxic doesn't mean I approve of toxic behavior in real life. I don't know how many times I have to dumb that down for you.

We all know that Manga and manhwa frequently deal in dark themes, boundary pushing dynamics and weird romance tropes with dubious consent. This is fiction and it explores extreme scenarios where no actual human being is being hurt. The fact that I can close a book and leave those tropes behind proves I have a clear functional separation between fantasy and reality. I don't know why that's so complicated for you to grasp.

Arguing that because fiction draws on real world issues, consuming it means I support those real world issues is a completely flawed leap in logic. Just because the story draws on concepts of power or consent does not mean the reader is applying those blurred lines to real human beings.

So, once again acknowledging a character's background isn't defending their choices. I can discuss how a character was written without endorsing what they did. Consuming fiction with flawed consent dynamics does not make me a rape apologist. I know where my boundaries are in real life, and I don't need to project real world ethics onto fictional characters to read a story.

When you accuse me and insist that enjoying dark fiction makes me morally corrupt, you are confusing depiction with endorsement. You need to learn the difference, I can't learn that for you.

In terms of statistics you have no clue what you're talking about, The statistics do not support a word that you just said. Statistically, the vast majority of murder mystery and true crime readers are women yet the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men, if consuming dark fiction actually drove people to commit real world crimes those statistics would be flipped. enjoying a genre doesn't equal real world intent lol.

When I first went into your comment, I said that he had gotten no repercussions for his actions. That only responds with you going onto his backstory rather than acknowledging the way Minghwa executes Jaekyungs “redemption” arc. It’s lousy writing and poor storytelling for both sides of the coin. Ya’ll eat up anything but disregard the effect it has on actual community’s.

You are able to close that book and separate your mind. That doesn’t say the same for everyone nor does it make them flawed. There have been reports and studies which show how fiction can save someone’s life, change it, and impact it. That’s also goes the other way around when we look at the negative influences harmful storytelling has. Such as stereotypes, stigmatization, generalization, and romanticism. I’m not saying fiction will forever change your perception of life, but it will influence it. When you are recommending this horrible representation of BL, you are also unconsciously assisting in its normalcy. (Aka, how it treats its serious topics as ways to “bring together the couple that was full of hardship which totally wasn’t caused by the ML half the time!”)

It might be easy for you to close the book, but the problem with Jinx isn’t the dark themes itself. It’s the portrayal that enforces harmful stigmas and stereotypes on sexual assault victims. Particularly like the victim blaming like you did in your other comments.

>The lines of consent were definitely blurring but let's not forget that Dan consented to sex for compensation.<

(Link for more details about these stereotypes. https://resiliencemi.org/stereotypes/)

When someone says stop, you stop. Correct me if I’m wrong, but he didn’t sign away all his rights. He signed off his body for sex, not to be a rag doll of abuse. (Which isn’t in the dictionary for prostitution or intercourse.)

There are actual communities that have experienced what Dan has and won’t ever recover. Saying sorry or crying isn’t a clean wrap up, it’s rushed and shows no regard to the consequences themselves. Good for you that you can tell the differences, many won’t and take it at face value.

>Consuming fiction with flawed consent dynamics does not make me a rape apologist.

Yeah, it doesn’t. Explaining all this backstory just to reason that what he did wouldn’t be surprising IS. It’s in the actions and words people!

Now, another thing. I didn’t say you can’t read Jinx. I said you shouldn’t read it. (Well, I said don’t read it but means about the same anyways.) Better for those who want a story that’ll actually live for the process that’ll make sense instead of feeling like Dans a trophy for all the hurt that happened. This had potential, but it chucked it out the window to focus on the suffering of MC in favor of the ML. Like damn, if you’re gonna advertise as a hot love story, put a better set up where it isn’t glorified Y/A abuse! Anyways, bye bye. You’re like a personal assistant to help with my pent up anger. But like, in a non serious way.

Explaining why a character makes terrible decisions based on their backstory is not the same as excusing those decisions nor does it remove the accountability that needs to be taken. Accountability was taken ML went into a downward spiral once the realization of what he had done had hit. I have stated this repeatedly, understanding motivation is not absolution. if you misinterpret an explanation as a justification that is a reading comprehension issue on your end, not a flaw in my argument.

You are entirely entitled to view this story as poor writing but you do not get to dictate what I read, recommend, or enjoy I'm fully capable of separating fact from fiction and reading dark themes does not define a person's real world ethics or character as I explained many times before. Fiction affects everyone differently, if this story triggered a negative reaction for you, that is your responsibility to manage. It is up to individual readers to heed content warnings and avoid topics they find uncomfortable, rather than projecting their emotional reactions on to others.

You repeatedly bring up concepts like romanticism, stigmatization, and generalization, but again it's fiction. It doesn't permanently warp a mature reader's perception of real life.

What's ironic is your blatant double standard regarding character backstories. When you accuse me of victim blaming Dan you conveniently ignore the nuance of His situation. Dan consented to a sexual relationship in exchange for compensation, yet you refrain from labeling him a sex worker because you evaluated his backstory and understood why he was in that position.

So why is the character's backstory valid context when it suits your narrative, but dismissed as lousy writing or an excuse when it doesn't? you cannot selectively apply logic only when it benefits your point.

Do I believe Dan's character endured an excessive amount of suffering? yes I do. I addressed that in my first comment, It was a rough read. The writer could have done away with all that. However, Taking out your personal frustration on strangers over fictional narrative isn't constructive at all, displacing hostility onto others simply because they hold different interpretations or reading preferences just shows an underlying issue with emotional regulation. when online comments trigger this level of personal anger in you, it's maybe worth stepping back to reflect on why you're really feeling the way that you do, or seeking professional help to process all of those dark feelings that you have in a much healthier way. Fixing your life instead of policing other people would be a much more productive use of your time.

Cheers!
I hope that life gets better for you.

Alright, I keep seeing you say how you’re tired of explaining your perspective again and again. So am I, so I’ll separate what we won’t agree on and what we’ll both discuss that won’t circle back to topics other than jinx.

First off, the fiction and reality thing. You believe that people close the book and move on with their lives I believe opposite. You can’t think automatically that others will have the same mental capacity to understand what is wrong and what needs to stay inside the pages of BL. (Applies for adults and teens.) I’ll leave it there and have your final opinion, if you decide to still convince me that fiction isn’t impactful then I won’t bother. Fiction can still be criticized by others (wanted to throw that in), even if they decide to consume it willingly.

Second, Dans sex work. (Including the backstory’s for both characters.) So apparently I have double standards to the nuances, but I really don’t. I do believe he has done sex work, I’d written it beforehand but Mangago deleted it. I hadn’t refrained from calling him a sex worker because I’d rather say his name. (Saying I’m not calling him a sex worker for my own narrative is an assumption from you.) I just call the horse, horse or ML. I have also evaluated the horses backstory but have gripes due to the poor presentation. I understand why he is a bad person, and how his childhood affected that. My problems is from the story using that as leverage to justify his behavior. (The story, not you or me.) To add about this “double standard” and a so called narrative that I have, I wanna ask what narrative? I don’t see it. If you want to pick a bone with that you’ll have to explain this new variable that you’ve brought up yourself.

Third, the comments itself and emotions(?) I mean thanks for worrying about my health but I’m not actually angry at you. I said it was non-serious. I’m not fuming with anger every time I read your comments. I don’t like jinx but I do feel frustration at it because of the development and portrayal. You posted this on an illegal site, your gonna get others with different opinions to comment. I don’t mean to expect harassment as nobody should, but atleast understand where you’re posting. I didn’t particularly mean to sound harsh for the first comment but the second comment made me annoyed. When you just pointed out how he had a tragic backstory you weren’t actually talking about the others that was his (nonexistent) consequences. So yeah, this is why the whole thing started anyways.

Fourth and last, the ML himself. Saying someone having a mental breakdown over what they’ve done as accountability is wild. Even if we were to think a little deeper about it and link it to reflecting on one’s behavior, can we really call that as taking responsibility? You’re praising him for feeling bad and doing the bare minimum of thinking about his own actions. This is a weak argument which presents many flaws in its quality. And before I hear a, “theres a deeper meaning!” comeback. When you take out all the fancy words to describe those sentences, what would it really sum up to? Him feeling horrible and thinking about his wrongdoings. Which again, bare minimum.

The more I think about this, the more I get notes of internalized infantilization. You’re on the shy of treating this man as though he’s a child who needs to take his first steps. (Not literally, but you should get what I mean.) “Ohh, he’s traumatized! He doesn’t know how to communicate!” And “He’s processing his big boy emotions!” This man is getting praised for what? Drop your coin on this but I won’t respond if it’s the same convoluted narrative to protect this guy. I understand he has childhood issues and that carried on into adulthood, but the story couldn’t have given more moments for him to actually live up to what he apologized for? At the end it makes it seem as though both of them were problems when it was really the ML stirring the pot. Dan was apart of the soup, he added flavor but that didn’t mean he had control.

I mean, say what your problems with this story are, but this is probably one of its frustrating aspects. It’s a weak wrap up and going back to my OG comment, little to no repercussions. Little debate to that, because look at the things ML dealt with VS Dan. You’re right on that fact. Dan was given too much. But to say ML was given accountability is much too high of a standard for him. I mean this with all due respect