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I remember this having so much rape between the MCs. Why are they looking at each other so lovingly in the cover lol? Lmk if ilay got an AMAZING redemption arc cuz that's the only reason I'd come back
Edit: no more please. Fight about whether this is good on another thread
Ppl will try to convince you that it's peak, that Ilay's character got so much depth but honestly-- not reallyyy. It's not anything special and there's no substantial reason as to why Taeui could fall in love with Ilay. The man was literally getting raped on Thursday and in love by Friday... They give me CEO- y/n vibes most of the time and not in a well Written way atleast
Right that's what I got from it when I read all the way to ch 90-something and gave up. I'm still wondering why it has such a high rating but I guess as long as the ml is hot, ppl don't mind rape
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the story wasn't taking itself so seriously. But you gotta trust me on this bruh-- read passion Raga-- it's Xinlu's story and so far, the writing is faaar better, the characters and themes are so much more emotionally mature. Xinlu starts off like an unstable psychopath but he had good reason and he was more realistically written than Ilay, anyway. His romance with Yuri turns cute so subtly and sweetly that you won't even expect it.
I’m sorry but you clearly lack media literacy skills if that’s what you think the relationship between taeui and ilay portrays, you ppl always read on a superficial level and refuse to see how deeply written the relationship between them and reduce it to rape, and aside from the romance aspect, the main story of Passion explores militarisation,class privilege, power structures such as classism and war That’s why I find Ilay and Taeui’s relationship interesting. It’s not just some toxic romance for shock value. Their dynamic reflects one of the main ideas of the story
Ilay starts off as someone who’s been treated like a weapon his entire life. Everyone either fears him and sees him as a monster. Meanwhile Taeui is probably the most emotionally open person in the series. But as the story goes on, Ilay becomes more human through Taeui, while Taeui starts confronting parts of himself that he’s spent his whole life suppressing
That’s what I mean when I say their relationship has a dual nature. Ilay’s “humanization” comes through Taeui, but Taeui’s growth isn’t just becoming a better person. It’s also him becoming less concerned with fitting into everyone’s expectations, and more honest about his own desires and contradictions. And just so you know in passion raga Xinlu and Yuri’s first time was not consensual so don’t try to pit the passion stories against each other because both of them are great in their own ways
I told you ppl will try to convince you otherwise lmao. Anyway, when did I ever say Xinlu and Yuri's first time was consensual-- I haven't even gotten to that part yet so thanks for spoiling when no one asked, asshole. Also let's not pretend Raga is not more well written than Passion is there's literally nothing to get defensive over, they have the same authors remember? Their writing just got better.
"omgg you have no media literacy Tauei realised Ilay was a human while he was raping him. Ilay was a weapon his whole life and everyone was scared of him
"omgg you have no media literacy Tauei realised Ilay was a human while he was raping him. Ilay was a weapon his whole life and everyone was scared of him
Bruh mangago keeps cutting me off anyway-- everyone in the story is scared of him because he's a serial murderer and rapist-- tropes that only look romantic because he has a hot face you won't be defending him this hard if he was a 70 year old with a pot belly
Ah yes, the classic “I can’t argue against anything you said, so I’ll pretend the only reason people like the character is because he’s attractive.”
By that logic, every villain in fiction is only popular because they’re hot and we can just throw character writing out the window. It’s honestly hilarious how every time someone talks about the actual themes of Passion, you immediately short-circuit back to “but he’s a murderer and a rapist .”
Congratulations. You’ve discovered the plot. What’s next? Are you gonna tell me Hannibal eats people?
Nobody is arguing Ilay is a good person. I’m saying he’s a well-written character. The fact that you can’t tell the difference between analyzing a character and endorsing them says way more about your media literacy than mine.
So you’re a manhwa-only reader and you’re confidently telling people that the author’s writing “got better” after Raga? Pleaseeeee you haven’t even read the novels and didn’t even think that there might be other sequels to passion and passion raga ? Yea i’m done arguing with you it’s not even worth it
And I'm saying he's not a well-written character. The difference is that I'm criticizing the execution, not pretending criticism equals "lacking media literacy." maybe you considered that I'm just not impressed by the story and I was not even talking to you in the first place?
You wrote three paragraphs about themes, but themes existing doesn't automatically make the characters compelling. A story can discuss classism, militarization, power structures, and still have an unconvincing romance.
My issue was never "Ilay is a bad person, therefore bad writing." My issue is that Taeui's emotional progression toward him isn't developed in a way I find believable. If you disagree, cool. But "you don't get it
You realise your whole argument is "I like the story and therefore anyone who has criticism for it just lacks media literacy"? And butting into a conversation and being so confrontational when you could've just scrolled.... R u Y/N Taeui defending your 7 foot alpha mafia daddy big boots Ilay
What r you even talking about, it's not like I begged u to come give ur unsolicited opinions. Fuck off my mentions genius. You used your own wifi to message on on ur own and I'm just entertaining you cuz I have free time between my postings lmao
"you don't get it" isn't an argument.
And for the record, I never said nobody can enjoy Passion. I said I don't think it's written nearly as well as some fans claim. You're free to think it's deep. I'm free to think it's a pretty-looking toxic romance that mistakes intensity for character development.
Not every criticism is a failure to understand the story.
Spoiler.
No he doesn't get any redemption. It's just full of rape.
Op here: lol stop arguing. Fight about this on another thread. Fact is: their relationship is so toxic and unrealistic and it's not even fun to read. I only asked if ilay got redemption and since there's no redemption arc for ilay, I'm good on the rest of this story. Btw read the novel for Raga and I did like it much better than passion
nope, he doesnt have that arc, he knows hes an asshole through and through he is self aware lol
Just say you want to read slop. It's a good thing he doesn't get the good ol I'm sorry begging on my knees "redemption" bullshit. In stead of apologizing he actually betters himself over the years and actually treats the mc well. There were lots of good analysis that I can give on the characters if you want but the novels are really well written it just hasn't been develop yet in manhwa form. Don't spread misinformation just because you didn't like or didn't get the story.
No one defends him bro what are you talking about people like him because he's well written, has good character dynamics, and depth. You all just keep spewing the same baseless arguments all the time.
Girl you're the only one here being confrontational. She told you why certain arguments of yours don't work and why they're lacking and all you do is spam emojis and memes it's screaming immaturity when shes trying to have a nuanced conversation about characters and themes.
Bro stop replying and clogging my mentions I forgot what this conversation was even about and 28737 years have passed since then. Read what you like and no I was not being confrontational by the mere fact that I was informing OP about a question they asked and this other person started arguing out of nowhere and her tone was SO rude at first. If you want a civil conversation, you don't start with "ur stupid and lack reading comprehension because you don't like I story that I happen to like"
Its been 2874477 years can passion dickriders find something better to do
Can PASSION haters do something other than repeat the same arguments over and over again
I wish my OCD allowed me to ignore your ragebaiting ass but omgg you changed my mind and passion is the peakiest fictional story I've ever read it's almost as good as Leo Tolstoy's war and peace
If you have a problem with me bro mute your shit it's not my fault that all you say is absolute bs
But I just said that you changed my mind and that Passion is sooo goood and soo peak so that is bs too by ur own words btw I can't mute direct replies unfortunately but you're the one who's being so obsessive when I've already begged you to stop replying many times so ig you like me more than you are willing to admit no matter, you entertain me while I listen to class.
I'm pretty sure you were being sarcastic and I also didn't know you couldn't mute replies so my bad. But you're low-key being weird now but I'll stop replying to you I guess. Next don't just blanantly ignore someone's arguments to you. At least address what they said in their reply explaining it to you that's just rude, especially when they're being nice which I definitely wouldn't do.Nhw
Getting logged out and now my homepage is gone. I was literally reading through my want to read list (╬￣皿￣)凸
Your page is not gone
Manhwa or manhua medieval fantasy bl where mc (bottom) wakes up and is in a time loop with the ml (who's powerful) (or maybe they already solved it?) and there's a lot of chapters and there's a reveal that the mc is actually the powerful one and that time has gone backwards many times. The title is something like "I raised a" and maybe has something to do with "suicidal" or "sacrificial" because the mc raised the ml (in the first timeline) to be a sacrifice (? Or maybe the mc was the sacrifice?) I remember there being a big plot twist and that's when I got caught up and now I can't find it.
Guys it's How To Raise A Victim? (Yaoi)
Should I read?
YES