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While I agree with what you said, I still think there is some form of love between them. The seme wants warmth and love, because the only one that gave him any was his mom and she's gone. I think the seme does truly care about him.

what about takase side? do you think he loves him or just idolizes him? also I love your analysis on this, I think everything you said is so true!!

I think the seme wants to believe that he loves him, but in reality he only wants to have him for his own satisfaction. He could change though, and I think that the best way for their relationship to actually thrive would be if the seme solves his personal issues on his own and with actual help of professionals. Right now, he considers his safe spot to be Takase which is an indication of this erroneous way of conceiving love. I’d be hopeful and say that this can actually work, but so far is not going in the right track.

Takase’s affection definitely began with idolization. He always saw the seme as this perfect figure of success and basically a role model of whom he wanted to be one day. As both start dating, I think he starts transforming this role model view to a more “ordinary” kind of person, one that could be easily be considered your friend. I think his feelings are progressively building up into romantic sentiments of affection. Imagine one day the figure that you always looked up to (even crushed on) starts showing interest in you. The transition from idolization to love is hard, but I think he’s doing it at a slow pace that could be considered genuine affection.

ooh I like this !!! ty for explaining it for me :)

I came to make the exact same comment haha! Very well put. Not to overpathologize, but I do work in mental health aha so this is just a little thought process of mine, not attempting to conjecture about the authors intentions for the story. Also sorry I've forgotten names!



Narcissistic traits and disordered narcissism is rooted entirely in deep insecurity and seeking fulfilment for what they perceive they’re entitled to. While the seme appears sad and depressed, he doesn’t *really* think everything that has gone wrong has anything to do with himself, he perceives himself as a victim of circumstance, not someone who could actually change on the merit of his own actions i.e., if his mother hadn’t died, if he got along with his dad, if only blah blah etc. 



While yes he has affection and “love” for the uke, he shows literally zero emotional insight in to what the uke might want, his happiness, his emotions or what he’s thinking. The way he thinks about the uke revolved entirely around his own emotional fulfilment. I agree with what you’ve said, those with NPD and narcissistic traits love to be associated with what they think is greatness, because they perceive it’s a reflection of themselves (e.g., “keep winning your competitions…just stay with me”). This is classic love bombing, he wants to spoil to uke and shower him with love, the uke is this ray of sunshine in his dark and stormy life and giving the uke the love/relationship he wants helps to control him and keep him there.



While I can’t speak for the rest of the story (which i’m excited for!), if it were to follow the pattern I’m seeing, the moment the uke either expressed emotional desires ( example: I’m feeling stressed/depressed people support me) or set up boundaries, the seme would either have to confront his own emotions and actually change his thought patterns and behaviours to make the relationship work OR go in to dehumanising mode (“I thought you were great but you aren’t, you’re not who I thought you were, you shined so bright but I’ve put out your light…), because the uke no longer fulfils that role to him.

Cool to see how the author tackles the story. As for uke, we don't have the insight in to his thoughts of feelings - but it seems he's pretty sincere. But that could be a shallow interpretation on the seme's side.

WAAAA this thread is so informative !! I totally see it now. The seme literally said he wanted to spoil the uke and during their sex scene he was literally projecting onto the uke. I definitely see his narcissistic traits

Haha I'm glad! Again - not sure if this is what the author is trying to convey haha, but I like this story because I think it shows something people fundamentally misunderstand about narcissism.

Those who have NPD don't intentionally behave in this way, it's not simply "I'm great and how can I use and abuse people" (although that is also a thing). Seme isn't actively thinking about controlling the uke or thinking about how his actions or thoughts could be hurtful. He hasn't gotten that far, he's shown quite literally no thought towards what the uke wants, his emotional insight literally just extended that far.

Which is often why when relationship breakdowns happen with people with NPD, a common expression is "I just don't understand why my parnter/friend/child has acted like this, why did they change". They don't get it because they unable or have a limited capacity to understand the emotional needs of others.

Thank you for adding on! I really had this “something’s not right here” while reading the story lol. So I actually thought about how the seme was being portrayed as this narcissistic being (I believe the covert type?) that indeed, never actually blamed himself of the circumstances he was in, but the world around him. So it really gave that strong impression of self-centeredness and egoism. I’d say go ahead and make a comment about this because you really have the background to talk in depth about the inner thoughts of the characters and your own reflections of the story, is really enriching. I’m just an amateur of the topic so I think it was not as clear as your explanation. I’d love to see more thorough opinions about this topic in particular and your reply was a great addition!

Haha no, thank you! When I finished the chapter I was going to comment something like "this guy has alot of self obsessed thoughts" but your comment really expanded on that I got inspired to break it down.

-- This is just me talking MORE about NPD, so feel free to not read haha --
But even with his parents. While we don't *know* what causes people to develop personality disorders, it's hypothesised to be a mix of genetics and environment. But with NPD or narcissistic traits there's a relationship with invalidating childhood experiences, particularly a good cop/bad cop parent dynamic. One parent who excessively praises (the mother, with her ~love~ for piano) and one who is excessively critical (Dad, who implies seme can't do anything right). They learn to latch on to praise and become hypersensitive to criticism.

You're definitely right in terms of covert, or what we call "vulnerable" narcissism. While there's no technical different diagnoses (it's all just NPD), the classifications are good in helping understand presentation of behaviours. If you're interested check up the "Narcissistic Spectrum Model" :). Those with NPD present on a sliding scale from vulnerable to grandiose with the core of all narcissism being entitlement.

Within my job it's super interesting, I very rarely encounter clients with NPD but rather on the outside of therapy e.g., as a parent, a (usually ex) partner, a co-worker etc.

Thank you all for sharing your insight and providing me with a different perspective. Truly delightful. If possible, I hope you all can come back once the story is completed to discuss whether seme’s “love” becomes one of sincerity.