I’m all for the author milking a project, getting the bag, riding the wave of a popular story, all of the things, but this is just ass. The story ain’t it, it doesn’t play with the history. I stopped purchasing it on the legal website bc I knew they were gonna play that rape/torture shit. Get your bag, but it won’t be coming from me.
I keep seeing comments about the author clarifying Ian not being in Chicago. What’s the significance behind Chicago? Was Ian supposed to meet Jo in Chicago? What’s the big deal?
There was nothing about Chicago just delusional Jo stand who couldn't get over the fact that Ian didn't want Jo. They believe that Ian isn't happily married to TJ and living the life he wanted. It's crackship shenanigans.
Jo stan basically claim that the story has an open ending and that Ian is in Chicago for Jo graduation. Till this day some of them still cling onto that and the author posted today about an event where you can get your book signed by her both on twt and insta. Some Stan went on the insta comments and started arguing about how TJyw isn't endgame and so on because of Chicago. Doyak decided to shut it down and said that there was no significant in the background because she purchase all the background that are used from SketchUp USA models. I mean from the beginning of the series the background pictures don't really play any big role from the start but that side keep putting meaning into and she cleared that up. They're still mad as hell and calling her dumb and an ass writer because their background theory isn't true.
They're also mad because she told them to move on
Damn. I’d be so embarrassed
I don’t like her at all..I know she’s not a villain and a tough love parent. But she’s still a close minded ass. Yes your son has a history, one you’ve funded and knew about, but damn, do you have to be tough all the damn time. I just don’t like her
I think she was the one Garam called this ch, she didn't say No I don't want you seeing my son. She's tough bit not unreasonable.
Garam called her, she didn’t reach out to him, even after seeing her son suffering.and she didn’t say stay away from my son but she wasn’t welcoming or accepting either, saying what’s the point of you coming here. Just bc she’s not taking it to extremes like some stories on here, kidnapping blackmail, etc doesn’t make her a good parent.
Baby you need to slow down. Read Melas reply again. Mela just said that GARAM was the one that called. Not the mama who called. However the mama didn't say NO to Garam and even told him to reconcile quickly. And I agree with Mela, she isn't unreasonable and she is a good parent. She let her son lay in bed all day when he was obviously hurt, but the moment he started to rot away, she got him away from that environment. That's what good parents do! Yes she is sceptical, but you gotta understand her son is a damn whore!!! He even slept with his childhood best friend, for a one night, no strings. He hoed around 24/7, and was never serious with his relationships, and one day shows up with a man??? It's unusual in a conservative society and especially in korea that has a lot of christianity. So now imagine how much she's trying to wrap her head around this relationship. At least for now, she understands that her son is much better together, with his partner, than they are apart
I mean, I would ask the same thing if it was my kid. Why wouldnt she want to know what his intentions when her kid is already so down and depressed as it is. Who would what to see their kid get hurt again????????? How is that NOT a good parent?? You can't just call her a bad parent bcos she's not opening her arms to Garam. She doesnt know the full story, all she knows is that her son is/was HURT by him. So why would she be all happy????
But did she ask ? She doesn’t know what happened and is acting like she rather not know. She doesn’t know if her behavior at their apartment played a role in their break up and the reason her son is so hurt. She was (and still is) rude to Garam and unaccepting of their relationship, and now all of sudden her son is in the dumps. So why isn’t she asking the obvious question, was it bc of me and what I said? Like you said she doesn’t know the full story, so why is she assuming anything? A good parent doesn’t close their eyes to their child’s suffering, esp if there’s a chance they played a part.
She never said reconcile quickly, she asked what’s the point of reconciling. All she did was accept Garam to come talk to her son. I wouldn’t exactly call her world’s best mom for that. And yes her son was all of that but a good parent should see the drastic change for the good he had made. Has his own place , making his own money and genuinely happy. If your son was a man whore who suddenly turned up w a man, wouldn’t you pause and actually think about what’s happening instead of trying to shut it all down. All she does is talk about his past and holding his mistakes over his head. he’s trying to move on from the way he used to be why can’t you let him move on from that. Just bc she’s not a typical villain doesn’t automatically make her a good mom.
But she didnt close her eyes???? Like yeah, she could have been kinda trying to get him to get outta the dumps. But she never once ignored his suffering. And lets be so fr, do you really think he was going to tell his parents what was going on????? Even if she did asked, he wasnt going to tell her. So all she has is assumptions as you say but even then, its not wrong of her questioning his intentions with her son when he's obviously been hurt already.
She never acknowledged his suffering either. Her saying get up you’re not gonna rot in bed is not acknowledging jack, it’s her typical tough love bs. And who is she to question anyone’s intentions when she had no intentions herself of getting to know Garam or understand their relationship. You’re assuming she thinks Garam hurt her son and she’s being protective when she was against all of it from the rip. And yes he might have said something if asked. They showed up at his apartment and he didn’t try to hide what’s happening, he was loud and proud. I think she’s like that bc she’s prob like was this my fault, but doesn’t warn to face that SHE might be the reason her son is hurt. But she wasn’t know since she’s not acknowledging anything
Just bcos she's not patting his back and holding his hand doesnt mean she doesnt see him suffering???? We literally see her trying to force him out of bed? Like i said she could have been KINDER about it but as we both can see, thats not how she is. She literally has in inner monolog about how she saw Garam as another one of his flings but maybe its something more. If she only thought of Garam as a fling why would she waste her time getting to know him??? He was loud and proud when they were dating but not anymore??? But that's not what i was even touching on so thats a discussion for a different day. She is still protective over her son getting hurt and trying to prevent him from hurting more by questioning Garam and wanting to know his intentions. She has every right to ask him, whether she knows whats going on or not. But in this case, she doesn't so that doesnt make her an awful parent for asking him
Listen it seems you’re not getting my point or even trying to. I can’t keep going in circles with you. You’re not changing my mind and I’m not changing yours, and I’m not trying to.That wasn’t even my point of the comment. The point of my comment is that I don’t like his mom and that’s that. I don’t like how she’s portrayed I think she sucks and that’s it. Please enjoy the rest of your day, and thanks for the chat.
lmao bro, atp this is projection. Idk what went on in your life, but obviously you are too hurt to see the full picture. Look as someone who is queer, and didn't have a good coming out experience with my parents I understand how that feels. Hell it's been 10 years and they're still coming around. However, at the same time I'm reading your replys and your opinion isn't one of logic and understanding rather it's biased and self centered. And I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, it's survival. I would suggest rereading the manhwa and looking at it through the lense of the mom. Now, if you physically can't bring yourself to do that, I hope one day when you do reread this, you can. I however just cannot see how she's a bad mother and I stand with what I said. Is she ignorant? Yes, but a bad mother? No. she gave him time, but if your son is wallowing in bed enough to get a stubble and dark circles it's time for an intervention—he was falling in a dark space. The mom saw that and wanted him to get out of that, at least that's my interpretation, and as my therapist says distraction is the best intervention. Furthermore, she is also reflecting on her previous opinion as well, and that counts for something—there are plenty of parents that don't even do just that.
I do want to put this as a disclaimer and as a break from these replies. I just wanted to say my piece. These are only opinions online and have no right answers, so i hope this doesn't stress you out too much lmao. I enjoy having these conversations and at the end of the day, I don't think any of us actually like the mother, lowkey. However, at least in my opinion she isn't a bad mom. That being said, my bar is set at a high standard to what a bad mom is, and she just falls flat from that. She is more ignorant than anything else, and I mean Jaehyuk (is that his name already forgot) isn't the greatest son lmao (Like who buys an apartment with the money your parents saved to play house with a partner without a proper job.) So I understand why she has to be like that or else it would go to incel central yk. Which he was there at the beginning, but he'd definitely be worse without a mom like that loll. Anyway, I hope you didn't think I was being condescending I was just trying to sympathize with your replies and play devils advocate a little. You have a good day and hope see you around in the replies again someday lolll.
No matter how you try to spin it or word it you’re not being diplomatic but in fact are being totally condescending. What makes you believe I’m queer or have some trauma background in any way just bc i believe she sucks? Maybe I’m coming from the point of a mother of an adult child whom I would never mistreat or withhold compassion from , especially for being queer. Him being a fuck up in one aspect of his life doesn’t negate all the other factors that make him, him. I can tell you with 100% certainty if my heterosexual 30 yo son came to me tomorrow in love with a man, I would not be losing my shit over it. Seems the one is projecting is yourself and your own queer experience. Like you said you have a high standard on what you consider a bad mom, but those are YOUR standards and the fact that I won’t bend to your or the other commenters point of view, my opinion is self centered, and from a place of hurt and projection,even though this isn’t telling any version of my life journey at all. Seriously where do ppl get the gall? Don’t answer that bc I don’t care. You think you’re coming off as having a genuine discourse but are rude and condescending as fuck. Please, if you ACTUALLY want to act respectfully, don’t reply anymore, as I don’t have any intentions of reading or responding. I’m just amazed how ppl feel so confident and comfortable that they can take a comment on a fucking mannhua, and make outlandish accusations and personal remarks based on your own assumptions.
Novel readers: does Taesan have anymore plot points other than being pitiful? Is he mentioned again, like Jun ran into him in the future and he’s finally doing well?
not really, he only appears a few times as a side character, there is no story about him
Nope, he's barely the second male lead
Do u know what novel chapter is this current manhwas chapter??
Guys, I don’t doubt some of her rage comes from the bullshit that comes from being an omega and a woman, but she still sucks. She raped the king, severely abused her child, has hurt and killed many, including almost blinding poor Ben. Empathizing on one aspect of her life doesn’t erase her bs. Don’t be swayed just bc her face card never declines
I’m having such a hard time getting through this story bc the official translation sucks. Up to chapter 59, when the uploader started using Tappytoon translation, it’s off putting. Hats off to the fan translation, they did a better job imo.
And my biggest dislike about this story is the overused trope of ML, has it all. He’s got the looks, good parents or at least family that loves him, popular/smart/athletic without even trying ; like slacks off but still gets into a good college, everyone wants them, etc.. All the while the MC has the most miserable existence ever. Orphan or family that treats them like absolute garbage, debt up the ass , busts his ass at several jobs as well as studying to get a scholarship, or is just a “dummy”, little to no friends, no love prospects or being used by someone. I hate that imbalance. Who, realistically won’t develop some kind of complex that will eventually hurt the relationship, when one person is in the gutter while the other sits on the throne..bc it’s sooo romantic that the guy who has it all obsesses over the poor bum who has nothing, it I just doesn’t work for me.
Was for the BL “Love or Hate”, either team Taku or Joowoon (I was team Joowoon). And i feel the ending was as obvious for both, the signs were there for both but the fandom wants what it wants. 1 guy, two vastly different options but even when he was with the “better” option he never stopped thinking about the other. And I’m gonna say what I’m said back then, why do Jo fans want their fave to be with a guy who is constantly thinking about someone else when together, no shade at all to Jo fans at all. However you feel about it, when I was reading this I always got the impression Tj was always gonna be the one
bc when they read this in s1 they already decided whos the villain and whos the good guy, and with that kind of prejudice from the get go and refuse to empathize and understand each of these characters flaws and circumstances of coz theyve been clutching on joe to have ian for this story to have a "good ending" according to them lol. all they think about is to give a 'reward' to joe for being a 'good guy' (questionable to me) lol ive been avoiding this story for years bc of how messy it was back then until i try to pick this up when s3 started last year. its always tj all along from the beginning.
YES JOIAN IS SO TAKUHAESOO!! Even jo himself knows Ian is thinkin about someone else even when they're together lol
It’s funny how you say calling Joe the good guy is questionable, made me think of this comment i read on a Korean site. It was when Joe almost shot that guy in chapter 87, the commentator said that it was Joe being manipulative, That was his golden tix to hold over Ian if he tried to leave him, he cld then say I killed someone for you and you want to leave me! I always found that such an interesting take
yup, and if u notice he also trying to do similar thing like that in chap 71 after ian killing the stalker and got him involves in the killing. this guy got the nerves to say "i did it for you" bro that shit really pmo the audacity of this guy! thats why when everyone says he is the good guy etc i never believe shit like that bc i know what i read and the author literally says all the characters have their own flaws. joe is not an exception, his act is questionable to me but bc he is a civilian not criminal gangster so im not sure why his actions and decision he took being ignored and not being discuss
I swear this better not end where Heabom tries to rationalize and be compassionate towards his kidnapper. I hate when the abused are always so understanding with their abuser (who is not the main character, that’s another shit show altogether), talk to them, be friendly and normal with them. He better not try to have Taesung understand why his grandfather did what he did, or try to humanize him. Months! He’s been gone MONTHS!
This should have a horror tag. The poor parents