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Dont fucking piss me off rn. “Not a troll update this time uwu i swear ! >.<“ and its NOT EVEN THE RIGHT CHAPTER. get off my toxic yaoi rn I swear

so we all know there’s a camera? lmaooo we’ve played these games before

This is such an interesting way to portray DID. As someone with p-DID, I really enjoy it. Fear of final fusion, part’s having their roles and triggers, explanations for how each part split, internal conflicts, different behaviours and tastes, traumatic origin (although DID and other dissociative disorders form in childhood, at least this portrays the traumagenic formation and not just something slightly tragic), unknown alters, amnesia, blendy switches, CPTSD symptoms, switches, headspace, voices, etc. The author did a really good job using DID in this context. Although yes, of course, it’s fetish content, they at least had the decency to properly incorporate realism into it.

This will be quite long, but I’ll explain these for people who are unfamiliar with DID and how accurate Mugo is, in the order I listed them in.

— Final fusion: Although *some* systems will want final fusion, not every system does. Final fusion is the term for when all members of a system merge into one through extensive therapy. Though they become one, there’s always the risk of splitting again. It’s just the way the brain developed, there is no cure. Without wanting this, alters usually fear merging. It genuinely feels like you’re losing yourself. So all three Mugos fearing merging and wishing to be separate is a common experience.
— Roles and triggers: Every alter is split off for a reason, though not every alter will know exactly why. Their roles can range from being the Host (main fronter), Gatekeeper (in charge, usually of memories and who has access to headspace), or maybe just to relieve stress or clean a room. Triggers to front can include what they like, the need to fulfill their role, or someone they know being nearby. The Mugos having these traits is super realistic and a nice touch that these stories miss out on.
— Split origin: The brain splits off a new part, or “alter”, for whatever it deems necessary. When DID originally forms, the brain puts up amnesic barriers around the ego states or “personalities” of a child. This creates the alters, who have the purpose to block the memories from the host as the brain deemed it too traumatic and it’s necessary for the host to lack these memories for their survival. Certain parts will take front for the abuse while the host is outside front, which is why most system hosts don’t recall most, if any, of their childhood. The Mugos splitting to experience certain parts of the trauma and protecting others is extremely realistic, aside from the fact they weren’t a child.
— Internal conflicts: Not all alters will like each other, or like things the current fronter does. They often have arguments or might even harm each other. Non-systems will, for some reason, think this is funny. But it’s not. It’s quite damaging and is just like any other relationship, inside or outside your head. I like the dynamics between each Mugo.
— Different behaviours and tastes: Each alter, in a DID, p-DID, or OSDD-1b system all have their own personalities, likes, and dislikes. Each Mugo having different personalities, behaviours, likes, dislikes, opinions… perfect.
— Traumagenic origin: As I’ve already explained, a person develops a dissociative disorder from something the brain deemed to be too traumatic for one person to process. The point in which this happened for the Mugos was the torture and abuse they’ve endured. This caused their brain to put up amnesic barriers which created each part. Protecting Monster Mugo, allowing Lord Mugo to suffer afterwards in the dark, and Sir Mugo afterwards. I have two theories for Lee Muhan; one being he was the original host, and the other three split off him. The second being that their brain split him in the image of the original host, as a holder of their earlier memories, but this occurred secretly.
— Unknown alters: And my last point leads into this; the brain will split off alters and the host will not know until they are introduced/meet. You never really truly know how many alters your system has UNLESS there is an alter whose role is literally to know and count them. I’ve known systems whose alters will randomly find new alters hiding inside headspace. Like in closets or unknown rooms. This is a complex topic that I won’t discuss here.
— Amnesia: Since the brain created this system due to putting up amnesic barriers, most alter’s in DID, p-DID, and OSDD-1a systems will experience amnesia. The lack or partial inability to recall memories from the experiences of other alters. If one alter was in front all day and did the chores, the next alter who fronts will not have any memory of the previous day or the chores. Though sometimes it’s just lack of remembering feelings, thoughts, or some moments from the memory. I recommend looking into this topic separately. It’s vaguely mentioned that the Mugos will often lack some or all memories between each other. Or used to anyway.
— Blendy switches: Sometimes, when multiple alters are in front, it gets hard to tell who is there and they kinda just, blend together while they’re in front. Seeing this behaviour in the Mugo’s is quite refreshing. Not a lot of media represents this part.
— CPTSD symptoms: Since dissociative disorders are formed due to complex childhood trauma, the disorder naturally coexists with CPTSD. Which means it also comes with the anxiety, breakdowns, fear of remembering, repressed memories, breakdowns upon remembering, cold sweats, etc. Other manwha I’ve read often don’t include this (but they often don’t make it as traumagetic either), so seeing this realistic part in the Mugos is great.
— Switches: the act of different alters taking front, or the control of the body. Although here, its exaggerated for the sake of the story, slight differences in appearance between alters is a real part of being a system. Some alters need glasses, some have horrible posture, joint issues, etc. This is because alters will each activate different parts of the brain and will use muscles differently from each other. So Sir Mugo having glasses while the other two don’t is completely natural.
— Headspace: The headspace or “inner world” is the space inside where alters stay. Some systems lack this, but a good majority will have a complex interior environment for themselves to live in while they’re not in front. It could look anything like a single room, a small house, a mansion, maybe even a world or universe. It all depends on the system. Sometimes they have specific alters whose role is to be an architect or some kind of neighbourhood watch. Most manwha, if not all, that I’ve read have the character who’s a system just completely lack an inner world and instead just float inside some void. So the Mugo’s having little rooms or the staircase, and even the small space for Lee Muhan is just. Chefs kiss.
— “Voices”: Another thing I don’t usually see. Alters having conversations not just internally (which a lot of things make this occur while they’re unconscious????) but out loud too. This is amazing representation. Most systems I’ve met, including myself, will often talk out loud to the other’s, whether they’re responding internally or externally. I’ll sometimes ask things out loud and someone else will respond out loud lol.

This was probably an unnecessary yap fest, but I really am fascinated by this author’s interpretation of DID and how they portrayed it in this setting while still accurately representing a lot of aspects that most stories skip or lack altogether. It’s a super peak find and although it has its own flaws, it’s probably one of the best I’ve found. And now I feel inclined to make a list of stories with dissociative disorder representation. Bad or not, some of us wish to be seen in more media. If you stuck around and read all this, kudos to you! Thank you for reading:)

Sir Mugo really making me feel things. I’m a sucker for men like him hehe

Ah, so it is going the “original part” route, as to be expected. It’s an outdated concept and isn’t what’s thought to be true anymore.
And considering they’re both Hosu and share memories, I can now say it’s more UDD (unspecified dissociative disorder) rather than DID.
I’ve already yapped last chapter but I’m doing it again anyway.
Simply put, for a dissociative disorder to diagnosed as DID, the system needs to meet two requirements:
1. Alters/parts have their own identities. Such as personalities, names, gender expression, sexuality, preferences, and anything that makes a person unique. Of course, not every part will meet this requirement, but in smaller systems of 2-10, usually they all do.
2. At least one of the alters/parts will experience blackout amnesia. The lack of memory while they aren’t in front.
As of this chapter (ch.14), it’s expressed that neither of these are the case. I previously expected at least the second to be true, since Moran mentioned it’d appear that Hosu does forget, despite later saying Hosu doesn’t experience memory loss, but it seems the ladder of the two is true.

I’m going to yap here, as a p-DID system and someone whose special interest is psychology and dissociative disorders. This will be long, and a TL;DR will be at the bottom:). Also, I’m open to any questions regarding these disorders, or even my personal experiences, so feel free to ask anything!

DID is an incorrect diagnosis for Hosu. Unless they really do have blackout amnesia between each other. I was considering OSDD-1a at first, due to Hosu saying he is still Hosu, but I’m thinking it’s closer to OSDD-1b.
With OSDD-1a, the system is made up of alters who are just different versions of the host. For example, theres the “normal” host part, their work self, kid self, angry self, sad self, etc. And at least one or more alters will experience blackout amnesia.
With OSDD-1b, the system has distinct alters who have their own identities. Sometimes, they pretend to be the host (same as DID), but they have their own identity deep down, whether they have their own name yet or not. These systems can still experience types amnesia, such as greyout (partial memory loss) or emotional (not knowing how you felt in a situation), but lack blackout amnesia. Once an OSDD-1b system has an alter show up that had blackout amnesia, the system gets the new diagnosis of DID.
With DID, the system will have both distinct alters with their own identities as well as the blackout amnesia (even if only in one alter). Think of OSDD being two halves of DID.
Then there’s p-DID, which Hosu clearly doesn’t have but I’ll explain it anyway. It’s the exact same as DID, but from a different diagnostic manual. In the ICD-11, they included a new dissociative disorder in addition to what the DSM-5 has. p-DID is only slightly different from DID, with all the same diagnostic criteria, except; people will often describe being “front-stuck”. It’s rare for them (typically the host, but could be anyone) to enter headspace, and will at most, lose control of the body. It’s not impossible for Hosu to have this, as he described watching, but he never said he was stuck watching all the time and he didn’t have control for 2 years.
Unless the second Hosu has his own name and identity—which almost sounds likely with how Hosu talks about him. Referring to him as “that guy”—I’ll be going with the OSDD-1a route. Both known alters are versions of Hosu (that we can tell), and they have had instances where they “forgot”. Though at the end it said he lacked memory loss, just earlier it said there were moments Hosu would forget what happened.
It’s still quite vague rn, and it’s likely the author hasn’t dove too deeply into researching this disorder, but I can’t wait to see how it fleshed out if it does. It’s not always you find representation for dissociative disorders. It’s unfortunate that they seem to be leaning into the “evil alter” stereotype, but hopefully that turns out wrong.

TL;DR: Hosu seems to have OSDD-1a instead of DID due to the symptoms/diagnostic criteria we’ve seen, but I’m waiting to see how the story progresses!

did the author HAVE to include that??? sure, yechan isnt great and forces seokjun all the time, but now this fucker raped yechan in HIS SLEEP???? first time meeting in how long? for what? a pinch of unnecessary drama?? yuck

how tf did he fit that baseball bat in there so easily without even any prep !??????? plus his fucking hand !????? what !!!!????!??!?

I fucking knew something like this would happen, and I WANTED jjk to be miserable, but owwww the pain. im gonna kill that oldie myself !!!!!

i swear every time i look at ordin/fenrir(as ordin) and jarn, all i see is jotaro and kakyoin. someone pls tell me im not the only one